Trump “revealed more information to Russian ambassador than we have shared with our own allies”

a reply to: network dude

I continually vouch for the FBI. I trust alphabet suits more than I trust politicians. The two are not mutually exclusive.

I beg you guys to wait until the investigation is complete. And I've said that over and over again.

I am anti Trump but not for the reasons people on this forum like to think. I am not pro Hillary. She's irrelevant in regards to this investigation which is why i cry foul when she is brought up. She still has to answer for Chris Stevens, Doherty, Smith and Woods.

I understand why it's easy for you to dismiss Russia because of lack of evidence but at some point you have to be able to recognize that all is not right in the White House regarding the Bear in the East.

a reply to: Sillyolme
do you ever get tired of trying to convince ATS members that 2+2=5?

It does not matter how hard you beat a dead horse, it will never get back up.

a reply to: TheScale


People who treat there own people badly is bad and this is because they will treat people they do not consider there own worst.

So WTF are you talking about?

originally posted by: AnonyMason
a reply to: TheScale

Thats why two US Senators suggested that if tapes exist they will probably be subpoenaed. Because those tapes probably do exist. And what's on them could potentially clear or damn the new President.

yup and whichever way the chips fall ill support that decision. facts are all i care about.

a reply to: ThingsThatDontMakeSense

as far as killing Muslims go russia is an ally in that sense as they have been killing them about as long as the usa has and often from the same countries just at different times,Chechnya ,Bosnia,Herzegovina,Afghanistan and now the fight against isis as i think the other day ISIS beheaded a Russian officer (least i read a thread about it don't know if it ended up being confirmed or not) they also had that theater attack a long time ago where they gassed their own civilians to kill the terrorists (Russia tends to not F around) all the super powers/pseudo super powers regional powers have waged war on Islam china has restricted beards and Muslim sounding names etc we have been bombing various countries since the late 90s and above Russians issues with them ironically no one seems to screw with the Saudi Arabians

originally posted by: PepeTalk
I'll just take your word for it. Still doesn't tell me what you're claiming they hacked that effected the election.

In the slim chance you are asking an earnest question, this is a good summary of how Russia pulls off electoral fraud.

en.wikipedia.org...

and

www.google.com...

a reply to: AnonyMason

I have no doubt Vlad would love to get his pecker in the white house door, and I also fully grasp that we spy on them, and they spy on us, as has been the case since before the official start of the cold war.

I feel like at this point in time, we could do much more with Russia as a non fierce enemy, than if they were as in the past. Times are changing. But none of that changes the facts that exist. As with this story, all facts point to it being bull# at this time.

There is a much, much more serious issue, in that the white house has one, if not more high up folks who are more rabid than you and apparently give no #s about COMSEC and OPSEC. In trying to make Trump look bad, they will kill american soldiers. And in doing so, commit Treason. This is way beyond a grey area, this is real world.

I am almost thinking Trump is setting up the leakers to root them out and if he understands how serious this is, have them charged with Treason.

And if he does something stupid and it's for real, then I would be all for his removal. I don't get paid to be a Trumpster, I just want my country to remain strong and be able to function.

If the "highly classified information" that was discussed was indeed ISIS threats to aircraft, McMaster pretty much confirms it in his denial.

Politico
The Post’s report, which caused an immediate furor, said Trump shared “highly classified information” in an Oval Office meeting last week with Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov and ambassador Sergey Kislyak. It added that the information concerned an “Islamic State terrorist threat related to the use of laptop computers on aircraft,” and had been obtained “through an intelligence-sharing arrangement considered so sensitive that details have been withheld from allies and tightly restricted even within the U.S. government.”

"The story that came out tonight, as reported, is false," Lt. Gen. H.R. McMaster, Trump's national security adviser, told reporters at the White House, without taking questions. "The president and foreign minister reviewed a range of common threats to our two countries including threats to civil aviation," McMaster added. "At no time — at no time — were intelligence sources or methods discussed. And the president did not disclose any military operations that were not already publicly known. Two other senior officials who were present, including the secretary of State, remember the meeting the same way, and have said so. Their on the record accounts should outweigh those of anonymous sources. And I was in the room, it didn’t happen.”

"At no time — at no time — were intelligence sources or methods discussed." He doesn't deny that actual intelligence wasn't discussed.

originally posted by: ThingsThatDontMakeSense

originally posted by: PepeTalk
I'll just take your word for it. Still doesn't tell me what you're claiming they hacked that effected the election.

In the slim chance you are asking an earnest question, this is a good summary of how Russia pulls off electoral fraud.

en.wikipedia.org...

and

www.google.com...

so nothing specific except for the revealing of verified facts showing the DNC to be committing crimes?
Yes those evil Russian bastards, swaying the election with truth and facts. Damn them.

This is getting more exciting by the minute. If there are such officials, there are active operatives in the Whitehouse leaking information to the press for the sole purpose of getting the president out of government—a coup. So much for Russia, it is faceless officials, unelected bureaucrats, and the media who are threatening democracy.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
This is getting more exciting by the minute. If there are such officials, there are active operatives in the Whitehouse leaking information to the press for the sole purpose of getting the president out of government—a coup. So much for Russia, it is faceless officials, unelected bureaucrats, and the media who are threatening democracy.

I was almost afraid nobody else cared about that part. I think it's way bigger than any other issue currently facing the USA.
This kind of leak could compromise the security of the nation.

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: ThingsThatDontMakeSense

originally posted by: PepeTalk
I'll just take your word for it. Still doesn't tell me what you're claiming they hacked that effected the election.

In the slim chance you are asking an earnest question, this is a good summary of how Russia pulls off electoral fraud.

en.wikipedia.org...

and

www.google.com...

so nothing specific except for the revealing of verified facts showing the DNC to be committing crimes?
Yes those evil Russian bastards, swaying the election with truth and facts. Damn them.

Getting people riled up about things like the pizzagate lunacy shows how easily the population is manipulated.

The goal is to get susceptible, easily manipulated people to do things like this:

www.nytimes.com...

There are a million and one specific examples, but this isn't the thread for that.

originally posted by: ThingsThatDontMakeSense

originally posted by: PepeTalk
I'll just take your word for it. Still doesn't tell me what you're claiming they hacked that effected the election.

In the slim chance you are asking an earnest question, this is a good summary of how Russia pulls off electoral fraud.

en.wikipedia.org...

and

www.google.com...

So not hacking? we're talking like Russia Today? Even if I granted you they're putting BS stories out on some internet blog how is it any worse than our own media, which aren't patriotic institutions but multinational globalist shills being proven to have colluded with Democrats? It deosn't look like anything has changed post election.

Hillary's election was sunk by the truth. We don't know if Russia hacked the DNC or Podesta just that they where a deflection to change the subject. The DNC didn't hand over servers and I'm sure you just saw the new Seth Rich story and Podesta gave away his password like a moron.

a reply to: network dude

Then in a weird way we have common ground to agree upon, brother. The COMSEC/OPSEC issue protects American lives. That's fieldcraft 101. Intelligence isn't ones and zeros, it's people.

I'm anti Trump because I'm pro America. The day after firing Comey for being a 'showboat grandstander' Trump 'showboats' intel in the WH to the same Russian he fired Flynn over? Give me a break on that... the optics don't look good. I'll concede the lack of firm evidence because of the anonymous nature of the inside source. On the flip side of that coin, anonymous sources in DC should never be dismissed just because they are anonymous.

At some point perhaps, people will realize Trump is not a rebel bending the rules to make America great, but in general, just a crude real estate businessman, that loves attention and will do or say anything that boosts his ego. He is not even trying to disclose secrets.. he is just a buffoon. I imagine he drives his administration absolutely crazy, as they try to put out the endless fires he creates with his billionaire, showboating shenanigans.

The endless excuses to try and justify his comments, tweets and decisions however, are endlessly amusing.

originally posted by: ThingsThatDontMakeSense

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: ThingsThatDontMakeSense

originally posted by: PepeTalk
I'll just take your word for it. Still doesn't tell me what you're claiming they hacked that effected the election.

In the slim chance you are asking an earnest question, this is a good summary of how Russia pulls off electoral fraud.

en.wikipedia.org...

and

www.google.com...

so nothing specific except for the revealing of verified facts showing the DNC to be committing crimes?
Yes those evil Russian bastards, swaying the election with truth and facts. Damn them.

Getting people riled up about things like the pizzagate lunacy shows how easily the population is manipulated.

The goal is to get susceptible, easily manipulated people to do things like this:

www.nytimes.com...

There are a million and one specific examples, but this isn't the thread for that.

Russia did what they have done and will continue to do. The real fault lies with the DNC and the DNC alone with regards to the "Hacking". This was all concocted to make those same idiots who would shoot up a pizza joint over a conspiracy, believe anything bad with the "Russia" tag line. Thanks for proving my point for me.

originally posted by: PepeTalk
So not hacking?

Hacking is a part of it. Get information that people won't understand and then tell them what it means. Everyone is susceptible to Asch conformity.

originally posted by: AnonyMason
a reply to: network dude

Then in a weird way we have common ground to agree upon, brother. The COMSEC/OPSEC issue protects American lives. That's fieldcraft 101. Intelligence isn't ones and zeros, it's people.

I'm anti Trump because I'm pro America. The day after firing Comey for being a 'showboat grandstander' Trump 'showboats' intel in the WH to the same Russian he fired Flynn over? Give me a break on that... the optics don't look good. I'll concede the lack of firm evidence because of the anonymous nature of the inside source. On the flip side of that coin, anonymous sources in DC should never be dismissed just because they are anonymous.

Love him or hate him, he does everything out in the open so you get to form an opinion. This is the first administration like that, and it's weird. But I hope Trump does well for the sake of the country. I firmly believe the opposition to him is unamerican and a real threat to the stability of the nation. As I said, if he screws up, hang his ass, but to spend the next 4 years trying to trip him so you can laugh when he falls is not going to cut it.

I don't think he is as smart as he thinks he is, but I also don't think he's nearly as dumb as most are making him out to be.

I just can't for the life of me understand wanting that job in the first place. You can't win, ever. Best you can do is break even, and to do that you have to be really, really lucky.

originally posted by: network dude
This was all concocted to make those same idiots who would shoot up a pizza joint over a conspiracy, believe anything bad with the "Russia" tag line. Thanks for proving my point for me.

The logic here is perfectly fine if you believe every intelligence agency is lying to you.

originally posted by: fleabit
At some point perhaps, people will realize Trump is not a rebel bending the rules to make America great, but in general, just a crude real estate businessman, that loves attention and will do or say anything that boosts his ego. He is not even trying to disclose secrets.. he is just a buffoon. I imagine he drives his administration absolutely crazy, as they try to put out the endless fires he creates with his billionaire, showboating shenanigans.

The endless excuses to try and justify his comments, tweets and decisions however, are endlessly amusing.

somewhat off topic, but why do you think Trump ran in the first place? Do you even offer a chance that he was sincere in wanting help the country out and (as big as his ego is) believing he was the man for the job? If that's the case, and I have no reason to believe otherwise, his heart is in the right place. He had attention before he ran. And he won't be able to spend all his money before he dies. I don't disagree with anything your above post says other than implying he's a drooling idiot. He is smarter than some think.