Trump “revealed more information to Russian ambassador than we have shared with our own allies”

originally posted by: bknapple32
a reply to: Vasa Croe

Ive been respectful. Yet you underhandedly call me delusional.


I'll say again. The man who was in the room DID NOT SAY THE FOLLOWING:

"Potus did not reveal any classified info"

Was he supposed to say that?

a reply to: Grambler

Might I also add how refreshing it is to read someone stating they will wait for more facts.

originally posted by: burgerbuddy

originally posted by: bknapple32
a reply to: Vasa Croe

Ive been respectful. Yet you underhandedly call me delusional.


I'll say again. The man who was in the room DID NOT SAY THE FOLLOWING:

"Potus did not reveal any classified info"

Was he supposed to say that?

Im pretty sure the accusation is disclosing classified material.

So if Trump didnt do that. then McMaster could have just said that, right?

a reply to: Sublimecraft

but didn't we recently drop the mother of all bombs into afghanistan attacking isis?
seems to me that they would be alligned with the taliban, wouldn't they? or are the two synomonous in the eyes of our gov't?

a reply to: bknapple32

The problem with these stories is if they are true, then the sources are criminals disclosing classified information for public dissemination instead of notifying the proper authorities, such as inspectors general for the agencies involved. If they are false, then the sources are liars.

True or false, there is no case in which the motives behind these stories aren't sinister.

That's a very big problem, and sooner or later, the law is going to catch up with these people.

a reply to: bknapple32

Are you familiar with the stories of Chicken Little and the Boy Who Cried Wolf? The media apparently isn't. Since Trump took office, EVERYTHING has been a criminal crisis of unprecedented proportions. The result has been dilution of believability surrounding virtually every claim against Trump. Had the media picked their battles more judiciously, perhaps they'd still have some shred of give a damn left among the average American... but they didn't and behold! The fields in which we grow our damns are barren and without damns to give!

At this point I sincerely don't care if an accusation against him holds merit. The media has burned too many bridges and, frankly, their behavior and the behavior of the standard anti-Trumpers has made me completely apathetic to their consternation. I sort of hope some of the stories are true just for the joy of watching heads explode as they desperately try to tell us "no no, this time is different, these claims really are real" while absolutely nobody listens.

originally posted by: Majic
a reply to: bknapple32

The problem with these stories is if they are true, then the sources are criminals disclosing classified information for public dissemination instead of notifying the proper authorities, such as inspectors general for the agencies involved. If they are false, then the sources are liars.

True or false, there is no case in which the motives behind these stories aren't sinister.

That's a very big problem, and sooner or later, the law is going to catch up with these people.

I totally read and hear your points loud and clear. But I think thats a different topic entirely. As for sources or leaks, I dont know, its a fine line..... I mean, without leaks, how is there any kind of leverage for the populace that is being governed?

a reply to: bknapple32

For all I know trump did do As the article says, and that is bad.

However, until I see proof one way or another, I will not rush to judgement.

I do know that at this point both political sides hate each other so much that they are not above lying or leaking info to make the other look bad, so I want to see proof before I make any judgements.

At no time were any intelligence sources or methods discussed and no military operations were disclosed that were not already known publicly,” said Army Lt. Gen. H.R. McMaster.

[url=http://]http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/05/15/deep-state-leaks-highly-classified-info-to-washington-post-to-smear-president-trump/[/ url]

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: bknapple32

Are you familiar with the stories of Chicken Little and the Boy Who Cried Wolf? The media apparently isn't. Since Trump took office, EVERYTHING has been a criminal crisis of unprecedented proportions. The result has been dilution of believability surrounding virtually every claim against Trump. Had the media picked their battles more judiciously, perhaps they'd still have some shred of give a damn left among the average American... but they didn't and behold! The fields in which we grow our damns are barren and without damns to give!

At this point I sincerely don't care if an accusation against him holds merit. The media has burned too many bridges and, frankly, their behavior and the behavior of the standard anti-Trumpers has made me completely apathetic to their consternation. I sort of hope some of the stories are true just for the joy of watching heads explode as they desperately try to tell us "no no, this time is different, these claims really are real" while absolutely nobody listens.

Last point first, nobody listening isnt happening. MSNBC is enjoying its greatest ratings ever.

While I totally get the boy who cried wolf issue. And theres definitely some of that going on. It doesnt take away the fact that Trump has been shooting himself in the foot

originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: bknapple32

For all I know trump did do As the article says, and that is bad.

However, until I see proof one way or another, I will not rush to judgement.

I do know that at this point both political sides hate each other so much that they are not above lying or leaking info to make the other look bad, so I want to see proof before I make any judgements.

I think you just opened up a rabbit hole by hitting it on the head here....


Both political sides hate eachother. At levels unprecedented. Cant we, the populace, see that we are being engineered to hate someone from the opposite side of the political spectrum?

I was raised to think every right winger is a racist homophobe hell bent on bringing us back to 1953.As Im sure people have been raised to believe the left is literally mentally ill. When do we break free of this social dichotomy?

originally posted by: MysticPearl
It's standard operating procedure to reveal certain classified information with allies when working together on something, in this case with Russia against the terror threat. Classified info is regularly passed between nations fighting terrorism. Think Germany doesn't pass classified info onto France?

Please.

This whole thing is just "muuuuuuuu Russians". It's the idea it's somehow shameful to work with Russia against terrorism. Of course, I don't think the left actually believes that but rather, they're petulant little children who need to keep their evil Russian narrative going.

Trust me this information was going to come out anyway. They already had the story hit the air about the bomb.

Investigators suspect Abdullahi Abdisalam Borleh, a Somali national, carried the laptop computer with a bomb in it onto Daallo Airlines Flight 159, the source said. The bomber knew precisely where to sit and how to place the device to maximize damage, the source told CNN. Given the placement, the blast likely would have set off a catastrophic secondary explosion in the fuel tank if the aircraft had reached cruising altitude, the source said.

www.cnn.com...

originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: bknapple32

For all I know trump did do As the article says, and that is bad.

However, until I see proof one way or another, I will not rush to judgement.

I do know that at this point both political sides hate each other so much that they are not above lying or leaking info to make the other look bad, so I want to see proof before I make any judgements.

Basically, sort of like I am still waiting for the evidence to verify all of the leaks that have come out on Trump having done this or that since this presidency has started.

We still don't have the phone calls that did Flynn in.

a reply to: bknapple32

When the left stops rioting over someone just being invited to speak?

a reply to: bknapple32

"Nobody listening" wasn't intended to mean nobody is listening, just that the majority doesn't care, which I think is an argument which can be made despite MSNBC's echo chamber ratings. Also of note, since Maddow's Al Capone Vault-esque "reveal" of Trump's tax returns, a huge number of viewers have been tuning in to watch the slow rolling car wreck which is MSNBC. Americans love a spectacle, which is why the Jackass movies sold so well.

What you, as a person who dislikes Trump, considers him "shooting himself in the foot" strikes me, a Trump voter, as being Trump trolling his detractors. As a self admitted asshole, I can appreciate him doing that, Your mileage may (and almost certainly does) vary from my own.

a reply to: ketsuko

Honestly, NO ONE. That means left right and center.... Can say anything for a fact until the investigations are done. I think theres too much assuming from both political sides.

a reply to: thesaneone

you are using the far right media that steve banning was a founder or as a source while accusing washington post as being "fake news"?

let me guess, fox news is saying the same thing and the little russian bots have already posted the story all across facebook?

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: bknapple32

When the left stops rioting over someone just being invited to speak?

Thats NOT the left. Thats extremists Antifas. They are not the left. They are the alt left. And Screw them

a reply to: bknapple32

I haven't said much of anything except that I think if there was real solid evidence of collusion, they would have moved by now.