Fake news, disinformation and inaccuracies. Why does mainstream media mislead us?

There used to be a time when an editor or head publisher approved stories before they ran in the paper. Before a story ran, the reporter had to explain/convince the editor that the story was true, have some "proof" that they considered enough to cover themselves, and would then allow the story to be published. Reporters cared about their reputation, and made sure they had the facts, or at least "tried" to.

Watch "All The President's Men". That's how it used to be.

Each editor held the integrity of the paper on their shoulders.

With the WWW, now reporters have free reign to publish whatever story they wish, hoping to get that coveted spot on Drudge.

Spin. Sensationalize. "Trump eats children at night before worshiping the devil and then going to bed!!"

What happens to the reporters? Nothing. Reputations mean absolutely nothing any more.

Right now, the MSM is doing anything and everything it can to try to figure out "how to take down Trump."

This guy asks the right questions, it's worth a watch.

www.youtube.com...

originally posted by: Profundity

originally posted by: Shamrock6


Just a few days ago Trump claimed that when he appeared on Colbert's show it was the highest ratings Colbert had ever had. Unfortunately he was off by a few million views, even losing out to Jeb Bush of all people.

Now, was he pulling that out of his Presidential ass? Taking credit for another thing he didn't actually do? Intentionally lying? Or simply presenting "alternative facts" as happens every now and then?

Who knows?

That was small talk. What are some huge things of critical importance that he has lied about?

Don't try and move the goalposts now, chief. You asked, I answered. If you wanted qualifiers on your question, should've put them there to begin with.

originally posted by: TonyS
a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Cheers,

You are drop dead correct!

But then the question is............why are they still in business?

You answered that yourself.

And it works because most watching are brain washed koolaide drinkers.

originally posted by: Shamrock6

originally posted by: Profundity

originally posted by: Shamrock6


Just a few days ago Trump claimed that when he appeared on Colbert's show it was the highest ratings Colbert had ever had. Unfortunately he was off by a few million views, even losing out to Jeb Bush of all people.

Now, was he pulling that out of his Presidential ass? Taking credit for another thing he didn't actually do? Intentionally lying? Or simply presenting "alternative facts" as happens every now and then?

Who knows?

That was small talk. What are some huge things of critical importance that he has lied about?

Don't try and move the goalposts now, chief. You asked, I answered. If you wanted qualifiers on your question, should've put them there to begin with.

So now that the qualifier IS in place, carry on...
Also, you should look up the definition of lying. Your first effort missed the mark, however trivial.

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Shamrock6

originally posted by: Profundity

originally posted by: Shamrock6


Just a few days ago Trump claimed that when he appeared on Colbert's show it was the highest ratings Colbert had ever had. Unfortunately he was off by a few million views, even losing out to Jeb Bush of all people.

Now, was he pulling that out of his Presidential ass? Taking credit for another thing he didn't actually do? Intentionally lying? Or simply presenting "alternative facts" as happens every now and then?

Who knows?

That was small talk. What are some huge things of critical importance that he has lied about?

Don't try and move the goalposts now, chief. You asked, I answered. If you wanted qualifiers on your question, should've put them there to begin with.

So now that the qualifier IS in place, carry on...
Also, you should look up the definition of lying. Your first effort missed the mark, however trivial.

Should probably read the entire comment before rushing off to post an erroneous "gotcha!" claim, chief.

Now, was he pulling that out of his Presidential ass? Taking credit for another thing he didn't actually do? Intentionally lying? Or simply presenting "alternative facts" as happens every now and then?

I left your boy some wiggle room, calm down.

originally posted by: Shamrock6

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Shamrock6

originally posted by: Profundity

originally posted by: Shamrock6


Just a few days ago Trump claimed that when he appeared on Colbert's show it was the highest ratings Colbert had ever had. Unfortunately he was off by a few million views, even losing out to Jeb Bush of all people.

Now, was he pulling that out of his Presidential ass? Taking credit for another thing he didn't actually do? Intentionally lying? Or simply presenting "alternative facts" as happens every now and then?

Who knows?

That was small talk. What are some huge things of critical importance that he has lied about?

Don't try and move the goalposts now, chief. You asked, I answered. If you wanted qualifiers on your question, should've put them there to begin with.

So now that the qualifier IS in place, carry on...
Also, you should look up the definition of lying. Your first effort missed the mark, however trivial.

Should probably read the entire comment before rushing off to post an erroneous "gotcha!" claim, chief.

Now, was he pulling that out of his Presidential ass? Taking credit for another thing he didn't actually do? Intentionally lying? Or simply presenting "alternative facts" as happens every now and then?

I left your boy some wiggle room, calm down.

He didn't ask for wiggle room. He asked for examples of lying.
Try again.

originally posted by: TonyS


But then the question is............why are they still in business?

Because there's no regulations on the media and news corps that require truth in the reporting. And they make lots of money.

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Shamrock6

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Shamrock6

originally posted by: Profundity

originally posted by: Shamrock6


Just a few days ago Trump claimed that when he appeared on Colbert's show it was the highest ratings Colbert had ever had. Unfortunately he was off by a few million views, even losing out to Jeb Bush of all people.

Now, was he pulling that out of his Presidential ass? Taking credit for another thing he didn't actually do? Intentionally lying? Or simply presenting "alternative facts" as happens every now and then?

Who knows?

That was small talk. What are some huge things of critical importance that he has lied about?

Don't try and move the goalposts now, chief. You asked, I answered. If you wanted qualifiers on your question, should've put them there to begin with.

So now that the qualifier IS in place, carry on...
Also, you should look up the definition of lying. Your first effort missed the mark, however trivial.

Should probably read the entire comment before rushing off to post an erroneous "gotcha!" claim, chief.

Now, was he pulling that out of his Presidential ass? Taking credit for another thing he didn't actually do? Intentionally lying? Or simply presenting "alternative facts" as happens every now and then?

I left your boy some wiggle room, calm down.

He didn't ask for wiggle room. He asked for examples of lying.
Try again.

And I posted one that he could very well be lying about. Since none of us are Trump, nobody can prove he's lied about anything at all, ever. Because intent is difficult to prove under the best of circumstances.

a reply to: jimmyx

"journalism" as you are portraying it, is different from opinion writers, and speakers.....the talking heads on MSNBC, FOX, CNN, that have their own show are opinion people, not journalists....big difference, not noticed by most people, due to being lumped together as the "MAIN STREAM MEDIA"....

I'm not just speaking about talking heads, opinion writers and speakers, but entire organizations, many of whom threw their hat behind a certain candidate.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: jimmyx

"journalism" as you are portraying it, is different from opinion writers, and speakers.....the talking heads on MSNBC, FOX, CNN, that have their own show are opinion people, not journalists....big difference, not noticed by most people, due to being lumped together as the "MAIN STREAM MEDIA"....

I'm not just speaking about talking heads, opinion writers and speakers, but entire organizations, many of whom threw their hat behind a certain candidate.

"entire organizations"....oh, you mean like "American petroleum institute", "evangelicals", "NRA", "business round table", "chamber of commerce", "heritage foundation", etc.....organizations like that?

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originally posted by: Shamrock6

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Shamrock6

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Shamrock6

originally posted by: Profundity

originally posted by: Shamrock6


Just a few days ago Trump claimed that when he appeared on Colbert's show it was the highest ratings Colbert had ever had. Unfortunately he was off by a few million views, even losing out to Jeb Bush of all people.

Now, was he pulling that out of his Presidential ass? Taking credit for another thing he didn't actually do? Intentionally lying? Or simply presenting "alternative facts" as happens every now and then?

Who knows?

That was small talk. What are some huge things of critical importance that he has lied about?

Don't try and move the goalposts now, chief. You asked, I answered. If you wanted qualifiers on your question, should've put them there to begin with.

So now that the qualifier IS in place, carry on...
Also, you should look up the definition of lying. Your first effort missed the mark, however trivial.

Should probably read the entire comment before rushing off to post an erroneous "gotcha!" claim, chief.

Now, was he pulling that out of his Presidential ass? Taking credit for another thing he didn't actually do? Intentionally lying? Or simply presenting "alternative facts" as happens every now and then?

I left your boy some wiggle room, calm down.

He didn't ask for wiggle room. He asked for examples of lying.
Try again.

And I posted one that he could very well be lying about. Since none of us are Trump, nobody can prove he's lied about anything at all, ever. Because intent is difficult to prove under the best of circumstances.

Fair enough. That is absolutely right.

originally posted by: jimmyx

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: Profundity

A principle of journalism is that the journalist should not become part of the story. They've inserted themselves into the narrative, and they have discredited themselves as informers by doing so.

The reason for the manufactured outrage is advertising dollars or party loyalty. They have irrevocably discredited and ruined the 4th estate for money or for tribal reasons.

"journalism" as you are portraying it, is different from opinion writers, and speakers.....the talking heads on MSNBC, FOX, CNN, that have their own show are opinion people, not journalists....big difference, not noticed by most people, due to being lumped together as the "MAIN STREAM MEDIA"....

Its all prewritten, prefabricated, made to support the narrative and look like opinions. Because after all, it doesn't matter if you watch prime-time news or talk news or news panels or variety shows like The View, they all opinion-ate the same BS, known as the "MAIN STREAM NEWS"...

They all, like the politicians that came before, all of them read tele prompters, formerly known as 'idiot cards'. Journalists may be out there somewhere getting first hand news, truth, facts, but its all filtered thru the main stream media outlets to reflect the 'opinions' you are supposed to have on any given subject.

Truth in news media? Where have you been?

a reply to: windword

Yea but none of those count because they're not "big" things, by whatever arbitrary definition of a "big lie" somebody feels like using.

Oh, and unless you can prove that the falsehood spoken by The Donald was intentionally false, it doesn't count as a lie. It's just a rhetorical and demonstrably false statement made in an attempt to get the upper-hand because reasons. Which is totally different, and way better, than lying.

originally posted by: dfnj2015

originally posted by: Profundity
I'd seen Donald Trump say time and time again that the crowd of media reporters surrounding him repeatedly report fake news, repeatedly distort facts about his campaign and election, repeatedly misquote him, repeatedly outright lie and his list af accusations about the lies in the media really doesn't end. This issue with fake news items has become frustrating enough that Presient Trump has declared that he will not hold any further public news briefings, instead releasing fact reports to the media on paper only to reduce the shenanigans. Why do you suppose that the media has been unfair and inaccrate with Donald Trump? Isn't it ironic that the media has become worse than the tabloids? Can anyone enlighten us at to why the news media has become very unreliable and faulty?

Rather than focus on the people who are actually speaking, please state one of your distorted facts or lies so we can analyze the truthiness for ourselves.

I don't know specifics. I'm going on what I heard Trump say on the news.

originally posted by: TonyS
a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Cheers,

You are drop dead correct!

But then the question is............why are they still in business?

I don't think it's about money anymore. I think it's about managing the illusions that keep people from storming Washington DC and stringing up every politician there.

Remember the Collateral Murder video? It clearly showed a war crime in action as a helicopter gunner was indiscriminately killing unarmed journalists and children. It was on Youtube for weeks before CNN finally addressed it. When CNN finally talked about it, what they showed was a continuous 3 second loop of a guy peeking around a corner carrying a tripod. This was an obvious attempt to try to justify the killings. They certainly didn't show the people falling from bullets fired from a helicopter so far away they couldn't even see it. If they had shown the whole video with the audio people would have been raging in the streets demanding we get out of Iraq.

Same for Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo Bay, and every other CIA torture camp. Imagine if real journalists did a real investigation and published the results with the same zeal as they use to push the Russian Hacker narrative. Imagine if there was an in-depth impartial investigation of the Federal Reserve as a multi-part series on an MSM outlet. That would shatter some illusions real quick.

It's gotten so bad now that MSM will come right out and say, "We'll tell you what the news is. You shouldn't listen to anything else."

I don't think it's about money anymore.

You could be right that the folks that own the news aren't as on the money as they were before they made a fortune, they are interested with social societal mind control and thus they invest a ton of time and care to make sure the news corps that they own push their ideologies and personal philosophies and political views. Being that a good chunk of news media is owned within a relatively small circle of people who are very wealthy, I would theorize that a lot of the news issues are personal quarrels that those news media owners have with Donald Trump.

a reply to: Profundity

News media empires are run by powerful, elite figures. One cannot become one of those, unless one has already sold ones honour a thousand times. So by the time a person is large enough in wealth and stature to become such a thing, they have already damaged themselves beyond the point where concepts like truth, or justice, or decency have any value at all. All that remains, is power, the need to collect it, and wield it.

it is because they are owned by the largest criminal organizations in the world.

They are completely owned by drug dealers, human traffickers, war mongers, religions, and corporations that make a ton of money from the ignorance of the public.

The power structure of the world would be over in a night if the everyone knew the truth.

a reply to: TonyS
Probably for the same reason that all those evil corporations that are controlling, poisoning, and raping our futures, are still in business and thriving.

We keep fertilizing the weeds and then complain when there is nothing to sustain us but weeds.