New Study - Transgender myth exposed - a mental disorder.

a reply to: DeathSlayer

Interesting post. This issue is such a quagmire. I have to say I'm quite on the fence about it. My initial visceral reaction is that of disgust. However, I don't want anyone telling me how to run my life and so I have an aversion to telling others how they should run theirs.

The mixing of politics with science is an issue we must confront as a society. However, just because someone is right wing does not mean his science is bad. To discredit the man's science simply because of his political beliefs is intellectually dishonest. I would submit that the people pushing this agenda have been radical left wing nuts.

Men have dressed as women, and vice versa, since we left the garden. I've never desired to do so and so cannot, for the life of me, understand why this happens. I believe that there is a soul that is separate from the body and therefore see the possibility that the soul doesn't quite match the plumbing it is attached too.

On the other hand, if this is indeed a mental illness we are doing a grave disservice to the sufferers by enabling their symptoms. I know that the people who support liberal rights for this situation have the best intentions. However, the road to hell is paved with those. Most of those who are against this situation, I would submit, consider it a moral evil. Mental illness is not an evil, it is an illness.

My middle child, who is now 22 years old, has a dear friend from high school who is transgendered. He/she is a nice/kind person who seems happy. Of course, no one can ever tell wether or not a person is truly happy. The thought of forcing her to somehow change against her will seems wrongheaded to me. Of course, she's an adult now. I'm just terribly relieved that I did not have to confront this issue with my own children.

Did I miss something along the way...Did we learn to change chromosomes and modify people's DNA to actually change their sex? If not then no one gets a sex change they get cosmetic surgery to satisfy whatever looks they want to portray. Same as people who do other cosmetic forms of surgery. I will refer to people with the pronoun they look most like because that's the look they put forward to the world. I couldn't care less what someone wants to waste their money on nor how they want to identify cause it has nothing to do with me. But past that you're still a man if you're born a man so you don't get to go to the girls locker rooms...That's just common sense.

originally posted by: TrueBrit

It is not bashing a religion to disagree with its least noble or decent advocates.

Just who the hell do you think you are, goin' around judgin' people like that?

No amount of eloquence can mask the stench of your BS.

a reply to: Tardacus

An adult wanting to be a little child is never normal. An adult wanting to look and feel like a younger adult is normal.

Stop being obtuse.

originally posted by: MotherMayEye
a reply to: ParasuvO

I think you fail to see the irony in what you say.

(And you sound aggressive and unhinged, tbh.)

Yep i am aggressive and unhinged...born that way

And since realizing more goes on..i find both science and religion lacking mightily on this and other topics...like someone is controlling the narrative too ensure perfection of all cannot be found.

a reply to: RickyD

Is it common sense to force this guy into the girls locker room?



(hint: he was born a female, so by your logic he should be in the girls locker room)

a reply to: DeathSlayer

And look how some states not only support these confused people but have passed laws to make them more comfortable and open to their mental disease. This is nothing more than perversion.

I agree with your premise however, I dont believe in psychiatry, its a pseudo-science

since when is mental HEALTH no longer a part of healing the body (mind)?

It never can heal the mind.

The Myth of Mental Illness
en.wikipedia.org...

The Myth of Mental Illness: Foundations of a Theory of Personal Conduct is a 1961 book by Thomas Szasz, in which Szasz criticizes psychiatry and argues against the concept of mental illness. It received much publicity when it was published, and has become a classic, well known as an argument against the tendency of psychiatrists to label people who are "disabled by living" as mentally ill.

thoughtcatalog.com...

Nowadays, the psychiatrist no longer deals in any certain science. Today, the psychiatrist deals in abstracts. This is why those kindergarten games cannot continue to be referred to as on a par with surgical medicine. A surgeon doesn’t need to be very intelligent in discussing philosophy, romance, the nature of death, etc. He just needs to know what he’s looking at, what it does, what its implications are, and be good with his hands. On the other end, most psychiatric doctors are not well-read enough to be anything more than special-ed workers. You can say that reading Kant, Hegel, and Schopenhauer isn’t the job of psychiatrists—they’re doctors, for Christ’s sake, not philosophy professors—but, actually, it is.

a reply to: DeathSlayer

I don't understand why McHugh is allowed to be referenced as a serious authority. He has been beating his old-angry-closeted-man drum for ages. He is laughed at by the actual experts in the field and is only taken seriously by religious conservatives who need some good-ole fashion confirmation bias.

Here's your quack.

He still relies on the thoroughly-disproven theory of autogynophelia. This is like conservatives referencing climate denier "scientists" who believe the earth is flat.

He has been a wolf in sheep's clothing for decades. Christians will listen to anything dressed as a lamb.

a reply to: DeathSlayer

Transgender really??? You guys are so out of it.

Transgender is so 2008 get with the times. People who believe and feel they are werewolves need the help now. Society is still labeling them as having a mental disorder.


www.livescience.com...

Is Gender Dysphoria NOT a 'disorder'?

Mental illness refers to a wide range of mental health conditions — disorders that affect your mood, thinking and behavior. Examples of mental illness include depression, anxiety disorders, schizophrenia, eating disorders and addictive behaviors.

Many people have mental health concerns from time to time. But a mental health concern becomes a mental illness when ongoing signs and symptoms cause frequent stress and affect your ability to function.

A mental illness can make you miserable and can cause problems in your daily life, such as at school or work or in relationships. In most cases, symptoms can be managed with a combination of medications and talk therapy (psychotherapy). www.mayoclinic.org...

'Well yeah its a disorder, and it typically causes depression and so on, but it doesn't sound cool when you call it an "illness".' 'It's society that causes the depression!'

Oh? Then wouldn't that be a Social Psychological disorder, or is it society that has the 'illness'?

Dig this: just classifying it as an "illness" doesn't make someone less of a person if they're affected / afflicted by it. Quit being so stubbornly sensitive, and certainly quit hyper-selfishly trying to socially engineer little children into becoming it just so you don't have to feel so 'alone' in society.

Who the hell wants to be just like everyone else anyways??????

a reply to: TobyFlenderson

Though science does not have all the answers regarding gender dysphoria, there is increasing evidence that it is a discrepancy between how the brain develops and how the body develops. It is believed that this happens in utero (in the womb). The brain is responsible for consciousness and self awareness, which includes basic gender identity. Most of the time, the gender identity in the brain matches the development of the body, but in rare instances, it does not. This causes the dysphoria.

The medical community has been trying to deal with gender dysphoria for many years. There are no anti-psych meds that will cure the dysphoria. There is no amount of therapy that will cure the dysphoria. The only thing that has helped these people is to change the body to match what their brain says.

If the change to the body is not as successful as the person hoped it would be, there will be some lingering dysphoria, which might cause further depression/anxiety. If the physical transition was very successful (i.e., the person totally passes as the other gender and no one can even tell), the person tends to be much happier. The medical community has seen this, time and time again.

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: RickyD

Is it common sense to force this guy into the girls locker room? (hint: he was born a female, so by your logic he should be in the girls locker room)

She's basically a transvestite with hormone therapy. Men have done the opposite for years and on the surface, you can't tell the difference. Just watch the Jerry Springer show for any number of examples. Every single cell in her body has two X chromosomes. NOTHING she can do will turn one of those X chromosomes into a Y chromosome. NOTHING she can do will turn her eggs into sperm. NOTHING she can do will turn that dangling piece of cartilage into a sperm delivery system. It's completely fake. It's a very sick self-indulgent society that insists this is okay, and it's a tragedy when children are "encouraged" to take this often irrevocable path based on childhood fantasies. In fact, it's child abuse. The manner and extent to which this stuff is being shoved down our throats is simply despicable.

And people on this forum who are unable to tell the difference between a psychologist and a psychiatrist ought not to be opining about the depth of knowledge of either because it's obvious you have no idea what you are talking about.

a reply to: Abysha

Someone from the right always pulls McHugh out and posts about him here every few months or so - like clockwork. Each time, they act like they have some ground-breaking news or something.

Welcome to America,

Where you are free to get body modifications to make you look like a Tiger, Lizard or a demon ( horns ),

But if you want to look like the gender you have felt like since birth,

That's when people say you shouldn't be able too and have a problem.

For being the UNITED STATES of AMERICA we sure are DIVIDED!

a reply to: schuyler

No, he's not a transvestite. That just shows your ignorance. He is a trans male who has been on hormones and had surgical procedures. He's got muscles like a man and he is also attracted to women. Still want him in your daughter's locker room?

You know what is a tragedy? When children with gender dysphoria are not supported by their parents, because those children most likely end up in serious trouble or dead.

originally posted by: schuyler

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: RickyD

Is it common sense to force this guy into the girls locker room? (hint: he was born a female, so by your logic he should be in the girls locker room)

She's basically a transvestite with hormone therapy. Men have done the opposite for years and on the surface, you can't tell the difference. Just watch the Jerry Springer show for any number of examples. Every single cell in her body has two X chromosomes. NOTHING she can do will turn one of those X chromosomes into a Y chromosome. NOTHING she can do will turn her eggs into sperm. NOTHING she can do will turn that dangling piece of cartilage into a sperm delivery system. It's completely fake. It's a very sick self-indulgent society that insists this is okay, and it's a tragedy when children are "encouraged" to take this often irrevocable path based on childhood fantasies. In fact, it's child abuse. The manner and extent to which this stuff is being shoved down our throats is simply despicable.

And people on this forum who are unable to tell the difference between a psychologist and a psychiatrist ought not to be opining about the depth of knowledge of either because it's obvious you have no idea what you are talking about.

Chromosomes are one of several gender markers. You also have muscle mass, neuro-receptors, hormones, genitalia, secondary characteristics, etc.

A cisgender male might be skinny, have low-t, and can't grow a beard. Yet that transman Kayla posted has a nice man's body, a lot of testosterone, and a nice beard. So... if a transman has more gender markers checked off as "male" than a random cisgender male, why are you still insisting he's a woman?

Chromosomes aren't the end-all/be-all of gender assignment. If it were, then the countless cases of chromosome abnormalities that occur naturally in men and women would render some peoples' sex invalid because of something nobody will ever see. You realize your chromosomes have next to nothing to do with your sex beyond there being a statistical correlation, right?

originally posted by: kaylaluv

originally posted by: Tardacus

we already know that identifying as being an age younger than your biological age is considered normal because middle age women do it all the time.
They try to look, act and dress younger than they really are, so in theory a 60 year old man who wants to be a 12 year old girl should be considered perfectly normal.

No, normal middle age women do not try to look and act like 12-year-olds, or expect to be treated like they are 12 years old.

Right .... middle age women try acting to be a little older......20...

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: DeathSlayer

Do you understand that a psychologist has absolutely no business making a statement in a professional capacity about biology, don't you?

I mean, psychiatrists and psychologists practice soft science. They are simply not qualified to make such a judgement about biological matters, because most individuals in that field lack knowledge of biology, except as is specifically regards their work. You also understand, I assume, that where matters of identification of sexual or gender issues are concerned, a biologist, a geneticist, would be far better placed than any soft science, roll neck sweater type ever is, to comment from an informed position?

Thought I should reply to this. My preference goes to the relatively rare professionals who combine both the hard science and the more human (soft) side. Also, the schooling and training that goes into becoming a psychologist or psychiatrist range from 5 to 8 years, and some will additionally specialise in something that is very much related to the subject at hand. Life experience is often an added qualification.

Purely scientific people mis half of the magic, and purely "soft" people do too. I have a dentist who also does amazing rebirthing breath-work in a little back room of his dental practice. He only charges 20€ for a session of sometimes an hour. This guy can work magic...

soulwaxer

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: RickyD

Is it common sense to force this guy into the girls locker room?

(hint: he was born a female, so by your logic he should be in the girls locker room)

All answers to your question are wrong until full unisex then it doesn't matter. By your logic he should be in the boys locker room, but then you expect the boys to understand why a person with women body parts is taking a shower next to them....

originally posted by: RickyD
Did I miss something along the way...Did we learn to change chromosomes and modify people's DNA to actually change their sex? If not then no one gets a sex change they get cosmetic surgery to satisfy whatever looks they want to portray. Same as people who do other cosmetic forms of surgery. I will refer to people with the pronoun they look most like because that's the look they put forward to the world. I couldn't care less what someone wants to waste their money on nor how they want to identify cause it has nothing to do with me. But past that you're still a man if you're born a man so you don't get to go to the girls locker rooms...That's just common sense.

Once again. GENDER is MENTAL and chromosomes determines your outward appearance.

SEX is Whats dangling between your legs. You want a example? Look on any job application and you will see a question male of female under SEX. NOT GENDER.

The law disagrees with you on the recognization of a male to female and vice versa to the sex they appear to be after said procedures.

And "having sex" has been wrongfully used for centuries. It should be intercourse scientifically but puritanical scientist are to dang lazy to actually call it what it is.

(ALL CAPS are for emphasis and im too lazy to bold)