New Study - Transgender myth exposed - a mental disorder.

a reply to: Deaf Alien

Actually the point is going over your head, but thanks for your contribution.

originally posted by: Abysha

originally posted by: iTruthSeeker
a reply to: Abysha

All I basically said was I think it is a mental illness.. That is all. People need to be TOLERANT of other's opinions.

People freak out on me for simply believing that. It's a non issue really.

Totally not freaking out on you. Go back and read my posts; I've been quite patient and polite with you.

But your insistence on it being a mental "illness" is frustrating because it is also physical (if not completely). The biological component is often left out of the gender dysphoria discussions (especially on ATS). It's not that a transsexual was born in the wrong body; they were born in a body that is wrong. Difference to be noted, there.

As far as being tolerant of your opinion, it's a difficult order to muster. We are discussing a physiological topic and you hadn't shown any interest of being informed. How does a person respond to that kind of disposition?

But see, being "informed" by who's truth and who's facts? Some studies say I am right, some say you are. There is a stalemate here. I like knowledgehunters reply, that really, there is no way to know who is right or wrong, which I said a few posts above. Either way, it's all good.

a reply to: face23785

I got the point. But you missed the point. She was talking about how distressed those children are when their parents and society refuse to accept them. But thanks for your contribution.

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: face23785

You keep changing the goal posts.

It's not about sexism.

It's not about little Billy liking the color pink.

It's not about parents pushing their child to be transgender.

It is about a real condition that originates in the brain and affects self awareness in regards to gender identity.

No drug will resolve it. No therapy will resolve it. Spanking the kid and telling him that he has to quit talking about being a girl won't resolve it. Ignoring the kid won't resolve it. All those things have been tried by parents and doctors. They don't work.

I'm not changing anything, nor have I proposed any drugs, therapies, or spanking. I don't have all the answers. My point is neither do you. This issue is much more complex than you seem to want it to be.

a reply to: Deaf Alien

No you didn't get the point. If something is causing you to be so distraught that you are harming yourself, no matter how victimized you might be or think you are, you need professional help.

a reply to: face23785

Here is what we know. The distress from the dysphoria will remain until the person starts living like the gender they identify as. There may still be distress over how they are treated by society, but the dysphoria symptoms are relieved.

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: face23785



It is about a real condition that originates in the brain and affects self awareness in regards to gender identity.

Nah. Billions of years of evolution and 200,000 or so years of human evolution. I can accept that in very few cases nature gets it wrong - i.e. real transgenders. The vast majority though are nurtured by society, usually outside the family, but some times by sick parents (usually liberals).

originally posted by: face23785
a reply to: Deaf Alien

No you didn't get the point. If something is causing you to be so distraught that you are harming yourself, no matter how victimized you might be or think you are, you need professional help.

Whose fault is that? Parents? Society? Not taking them to psychiatrists?

originally posted by: iTruthSeeker
Some studies say I am right, some say you are. There is a stalemate here.

95% to 5% is hardly a stalemate.

Please don't tell me you also believe in the 3% of scientists who are climate change deniers...

originally posted by: face23785
a reply to: Deaf Alien

No you didn't get the point. If something is causing you to be so distraught that you are harming yourself, no matter how victimized you might be or think you are, you need professional help.

This I totally agree with.

a reply to: face23785

No one is saying that therapy won't help. Therapy is crucial with gender dysphoria. But it has never resolved the issue on its own.

originally posted by: Abysha

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: face23785

You identify that they have gender dysphoria when they are insistent, persistent and consistent over a period of years. You identify that they have gender dysphoria when they are in distress because their body isn't matching what they know to be true. This is way more intense than "why does brother Billy have a penis and I don't?", or a boy who likes to play with Barbie dolls all the time.

Do you know the torture that kids and their parents go through with gender dysphoria? There have been trans female kids who have attempted to cut their penises off with scissors. That's how intense it is.

If people are doing that need serious help... Maybe they need to visit the psychiatrist?

They do. Duh.

What you just heard was a "whoosh " sound as it passed over your head.

originally posted by: face23785

This issue is much more complex than you seem to want it to be.

It is much more complex than youseem to want it to be (Barbie dolls and the color pink).

Another important point I would like to mention is that a transgendered person can still suffer from other forms of mental illness, and wether they are related or not, we don't know. So just because somebody is transgendered, and suffers from depression and wants to commit suicide, doesn't mean they are related, or does it?

originally posted by: Abysha

originally posted by: iTruthSeeker
Some studies say I am right, some say you are. There is a stalemate here.

95% to 5% is hardly a stalemate.

Please don't tell me you also believe in the 3% of scientists who are climate change deniers...

Lol, please don't tell me you believe the 97% myth!

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: face23785



It is about a real condition that originates in the brain and affects self awareness in regards to gender identity.

I can accept that in very few cases nature gets it wrong - i.e. real transgenders. The vast majority though are nurtured by society, usually outside the family, but some times by sick parents (usually liberals).

Wait... so are you saying that all of your disparaging comments towards people who suffer from genuine gender dysphoria was made with the knowledge that there are people out there, reading this, who suffer from it?

Why not make your beef with "fake" gender dysphoria or "liberally enriched gender shenanigans" or whatever you want to label it?

Why not say "hey, I believe this # is real but I think a lot of it is faked"?

originally posted by: knowledgehunter0986
Another important point I would like to mention is that a transgendered person can still suffer from other forms of mental illness, and wether they are related or not, we don't know. So just because somebody is transgendered, and suffers from depression and wants to commit suicide, doesn't mean they are related, or does it?

The same argument could be made for gay children.

originally posted by: Abysha

originally posted by: iTruthSeeker
Some studies say I am right, some say you are. There is a stalemate here.

95% to 5% is hardly a stalemate.

Please don't tell me you also believe in the 3% of scientists who are climate change deniers...

Or that the world is flat.

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: Abysha

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: face23785

You identify that they have gender dysphoria when they are insistent, persistent and consistent over a period of years. You identify that they have gender dysphoria when they are in distress because their body isn't matching what they know to be true. This is way more intense than "why does brother Billy have a penis and I don't?", or a boy who likes to play with Barbie dolls all the time.

Do you know the torture that kids and their parents go through with gender dysphoria? There have been trans female kids who have attempted to cut their penises off with scissors. That's how intense it is.

If people are doing that need serious help... Maybe they need to visit the psychiatrist?

They do. Duh.

What you just heard was a "whoosh " sound as it passed over your head.

Says the cisgender man to the transsexual woman who attempted suicide three times in childhood, contemplated it yearly during adulthood, and is now happily adjusted and completely content with herself. Because of therapy.

Dicknose.

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Abysha

originally posted by: iTruthSeeker
Some studies say I am right, some say you are. There is a stalemate here.

95% to 5% is hardly a stalemate.

Please don't tell me you also believe in the 3% of scientists who are climate change deniers...

Lol, please don't tell me you believe the 97% myth!

Oh god... you're like a Cobert parody character. Are you for real?