What is the True Islam…???

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

No it specifically says "if the wife is helping her husband fight..."



Specifically says that..


But let's take your interpretation.. so if your wife cheats on you. It is not domestic violence if you cut her hands off???

On what planet??

originally posted by: JoshuaCox
Assuming your a Christian who actually believes it. You should prob read the whole thing before you assume it's not filled with violent texts...they just don't include them in Sunday school.

Awesome, there is violence, I said show me the Bible instructing men to beat their wives until they obey. You said there is no difference, you should be able to back that up.

originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

No it specifically says "if the wife is helping her husband fight..."



Specifically says that..


But let's take your interpretation.. so if your wife cheats on you. It is not domestic violence if you cut her hands off???

On what planet??

What the heck are you talking about. A woman jumping into a fight is somehow now cheating? Is she jumping in naked and grabbing his penis to insert it during the fight? I don't even know where to start ....

a reply to: Joecroft

originally posted by: Joecroft
We often see reports in the media of human rights atrocities being committed in Middle Eastern countries. Ranging from, underage marriage of young girls, too threats of execution for woman refusing to wear a hijab, and many others…

And yet, when we listen to the views from Islamic apologists in the west, we invariably hear them state that…”The Quran does not teach those things”…i.e. “no woman is forced to wear a hijab according to the Quran”…and “The Quran does not teach that men can marry under age girls”…and “the violence in the Quran, has to be taken into context”…etc...

As has been said by others here as well, that is true of all religions. You point out something bad done by one religion, and the response is "but that's not the TRUE religion!"

There is no monolithic single-entity belief-set/rule-set that you can ascribe to all muslims or even all "true" muslims. Like any widespread belief system (including other religions), with 1.8 billion adherents, you'd very likely get 1.8 billion slightly different beliefs, with possibly the only truly common point being "There is no god but God, and Muhammad was the messenger of God".
Most would agree to the holiness of the Quran, but there are different ways to interpret it. Some disagree on the relevance of the Hadith (the sayings of the Prophet), but even those who find it relevant have different approaches to it.

The best you can do is take where they claim to get their belief-set, and then if their actual beliefs don't match that, they aren't "true". So for example, for the average Sunni/Shi'ite muslim who accepts the Quran and a commonality of Hadith, if they're advocating, for example, female genital mutilation or honour killing, that's not "true" muslims.

As to your specifically mentioned points, I can't say anything about "and many others", but as for the others:
-Islam neither advocates nor prohibits underage marriage. Much like Christianity in that regard, which is why we had Christians marrying (what we would consider today to be) underage in the past as well.
The issue comes up with Muhammad's marriage to Ayesha when (according to one hadith) she was supposedly 6 (and consummation when she was supposedly 9). However, considering that those two mentioned ages contradict other mentioned and calculated ages, it's problematic to draw a hard and fast rule from that.
-I don't think anywhere in the world advocates or even suggests execution for not wearing a hijab, and it certainly isn't advocated in Islam. I don't think I know of any Islamic scholar who suggests it either. You were perhaps being hyperbolic, but then, if you're asking a serious question, it's confusing when hyperbole is mixed in.

TRUE?

Who cares, they have thugs attached to them like BED BUGS and they ACTUALLY allow clerics to keep up THAT faction of faith.
IRAN is the epicenter for terrorism banking and operations and Saudi is the fatherland of Wahhabism,somewhere in that mess are a gallery of good and bad.
The BAD are using the faith as a hostage and TOO many are arrogantly backing them as a matter of revenge or pride.
Some want you dead,period.
I want them dead, PERIOD, so we have a TARGETING ISSUE and moderate Islam is trapped by it's own dogma of militant conversion regardless of the cost.
I have YET to see a Christian pastor ask us to string up a Jew,stone a witch or seek to BEHEAD Mormons.
Islam is POLLUTED with screwed up cultural issues that clash with Constitutional values and therefore won't exist here ,,,under threat from the barrel of a waiting gun.
THAT is NOT good.

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

No it specifically says "if the wife is helping her husband fight..."



Specifically says that..


But let's take your interpretation.. so if your wife cheats on you. It is not domestic violence if you cut her hands off???

On what planet??

What the heck are you talking about. A woman jumping into a fight is somehow now cheating? Is she jumping in naked and grabbing his penis to insert it during the fight? I don't even know where to start ....

Why else would it be death worthy to accidentally touch a guy's penis while helping your husband fight that guy, unless it was a play on adultery??

Without that it literally makes zero sense..

With it it only makes Bronze Age goat herder sense, but ....

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

"There's no verse on beating women so let's ignore the rest of examples of violence against women and children in the Bible."
LOL too funny.

originally posted by: JoshuaCox

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

No it specifically says "if the wife is helping her husband fight..."



Specifically says that..


But let's take your interpretation.. so if your wife cheats on you. It is not domestic violence if you cut her hands off???

On what planet??

What the heck are you talking about. A woman jumping into a fight is somehow now cheating? Is she jumping in naked and grabbing his penis to insert it during the fight? I don't even know where to start ....

Why else would it be death worthy to accidentally touch a guy's penis while helping your husband fight that guy, unless it was a play on adultery??

Without that it literally makes zero sense..

With it it only makes Bronze Age goat herder sense, but ....

I already explained it to you. It's an attack on reproduction, something seriously important back then.

Want to know what happens when a married man and a married woman have sex? They both die.

originally posted by: Deaf Alien
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

"There's no verse on beating women so let's ignore the rest of examples of violence against women and children in the Bible."
LOL too funny.

Awesome logical fallacy. He said everything found in Islam is found in the Bible there is no difference. I asked him to find what the Quran says in the Bible, since he said it would be there. It's not.

He then took a verse that has literally nothing to do with what I posted, and said a woman attacking a man's genitals during a fight is a reference to adultery. It's about as stupid an argument as it gets.

And then you come in with no clue what you are talking about at all. This is what the Bible says about adultery.

If a man is found sleeping with another man's wife, both the man who slept with her and the woman must die.

Yeah, really against women, the man gets off scott free!

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

LOL. Tryng so hard to defend your faith. Just embrace it and move on.

originally posted by: cavtrooper7
I have YET to see a Christian pastor ask us to string up a Jew,stone a witch or seek to BEHEAD Mormons.

nigerianobservernews.com...

You seem to be looking in the wrong places, then.

originally posted by: Deaf Alien
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

LOL. Tryng so hard to defend your faith. Just embrace it and move on.

What is there to defend. Nothing has been shown that needs defending.

a reply to: babloyi

Well Christian pastors are not bound by the OT, unless they happen to be Jewish. It was considered an unfair yoke for anyone not a Jew.

What can't be found in Nigeria though, I have had hundreds of princes and princesses email me!

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

she shall be brought to the door of her father’s house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death. She has done an outrageous thing in Israel by being promiscuous while still in her father’s house. You must purge the evil from among you.

Deut. 22:21

a reply to: babloyi

No ,I am scanning permanently now for this stuff(STUPID PTSD),the only ones EXIST in the wrong places , some may have a message of ignorance ,but they have no power or factions that are strong in the Christian faith.
OH YESS I KNOW...many love to trot out Westboro wastoids and even MORE shunned racist elements.
NOT AT ALL comparable to the violence of lslamic targets I speak of specifically.

a reply to: Deaf Alien

And what's your point? That's the penalty for a woman who was sleeping around and then married under the false pretense of being a virgin when she was not, which means the man may have ended up raising someone else's kid.

If a man sleeps with a virgin pledged to be married, he dies too.

if out in the country a man happens to meet a young woman pledged to be married and rapes her, only the man who has done this shall die.

Do nothing to the woman; she has committed no sin deserving death. This case is like that of someone who attacks and murders a neighbor,

Now tell me what any of this has to do with beating your wife until she obeys?

There's a great term for what you are doing, it's called logical fallacy.

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Why are you ignoring the punishments for women? And no proof of virginity is not a proof of promiscuity. So they could have been killing innocent women.

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: babloyi
Well Christian pastors are not bound by the OT, unless they happen to be Jewish. It was considered an unfair yoke for anyone not a Jew.

I'm sorry, are you arguing that they're not "true" Christians?
The irony is strong!

a reply to: cavtrooper7

originally posted by: cavtrooper7
a reply to: babloyi
No ,I am scanning permanently now for this stuff(STUPID PTSD),the only ones EXIST in the wrong places , some may have a message of ignorance ,but they have no power or factions that are strong in the Christian faith.
OH YESS I KNOW...many love to trot out Westboro wastoids and even MORE shunned racist elements.
NOT AT ALL comparable to the violence of lslamic targets I speak of specifically.

I'm sorry, how is it not comparable? the Christian clergy make statements condemning witches and saying they should be killed, the local population kills witches, and the governments have witchcraft being against the law.
It is perfectly comparable.
I didn't bring up anything with the Westboro people. Why do you insist on comparing backwards 3rd-world countries with rich first world ones? Why not have both country comparisons be 3rd world (eg. my example of Africa)?

originally posted by: babloyi
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: babloyi
Well Christian pastors are not bound by the OT, unless they happen to be Jewish. It was considered an unfair yoke for anyone not a Jew.

I'm sorry, are you arguing that they're not "true" Christians?

The irony is strong!

a reply to: cavtrooper7

originally posted by: cavtrooper7
a reply to: babloyi
No ,I am scanning permanently now for this stuff(STUPID PTSD),the only ones EXIST in the wrong places , some may have a message of ignorance ,but they have no power or factions that are strong in the Christian faith.
OH YESS I KNOW...many love to trot out Westboro wastoids and even MORE shunned racist elements.
NOT AT ALL comparable to the violence of lslamic targets I speak of specifically.

I'm sorry, how is it not comparable? the Christian clergy make statements condemning witches and saying they should be killed, the local population kills witches, and the governments have witchcraft being against the law.
It is perfectly comparable.
I didn't bring up anything with the Westboro people. Why do you insist on comparing backwards 3rd-world countries with rich first world ones? Why not have both country comparisons be 3rd world (eg. my example of Africa)?

More than that , the texts are still there to be used and interpreted at will....

Sure , I would even say MOST Christians don't count the Old Testament laws, but that is their interpretation..

As long as those texts remain, they will be used to push whoever's agenda..

Same with Islam...

The majority choose to ignore the violent parts..

But would Christians be willing to edit the OT since it is a violent hate filled text??

Of course not..but Muslims should immediately..

originally posted by: Deaf Alien
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

"There's no verse on beating women so let's ignore the rest of examples of violence against women and children in the Bible."
LOL too funny.

I posted one that says "if your wife is helping you fight another man, and she accidentally touches his junk in the melee. Then she should have her hands cut off and neither man should feel sorry for her...


That is like the pennical of domestic vuolence lol..

Please God beat me for dis obeying before you cut my hands off for HELPING you fight?!?!


In-friggin -sane...

Talk about the height ght of hypocracy..