Freedom Is A Reality

Freedom from God’s condemnation is a reality for every single believer, not because of any new found performance capabilities, but because we are made the righteousness of God in our union with his perfectly righteous son. On top of that, everything necessary to prove to us beyond any shadow of doubt, and to prove to Satan and his rebellious forces that we are totally secure in our union with God’s son, we need nothing more, God supplied every need already. There were a lot of people in Paul’s day and in our day trying to earn their righteousness before God by way of their performance. They thought God would measure their do’s and don’ts and thought they were actually measuring up. God would considered them righteous worthy of his attendance, worthy of being in heaven. In fact, they were bragging, boasting about their achievements as though God could do nothing other than to declare them righteous because they deserved just such a declaration. Paul warned to guard against those who would promote a righteousness through performance idea.

It is up to those of the world to either accept or reject their redeemer, but that does no less make him their redeemer. When we accept our redeemer and the price he paid, the ransom he paid, then we are joined to Christ and we have his righteousness attributed to our account. Those who reject the gift are thumbing their noses at the one who died to paid that price for their redemption. The price was paid for all, and through that payment Jesus redeemed the entire human race from the sin barrier that separated the world from God. It is now a son issue, not a sin issue. Will those of the world accept or reject the payment Christ made for their redemption? Those who reject their redeemer will face the ultimate consequences of that rejection. God did for us what we could never do for ourselves, he took all of our performance off of us and put it onto Jesus and judged him for our faulty performance. The only thing God is asking us to believe to be placed into his son, is to take him at his word concerning what his son did where our sins are concerned. The instance we take our stand with God, we are not only saved, but sealed until the day of redemption of these earthly tents in which we dwell. Flesh wants to say if I broke it, I can fix it. God is not asking us to turn from anything to be saved, he is asking us to believe Jesus accomplished salvation for us and we are simply to believe it. Jesus did it all, there is nothing left for us to do, God did all the giving, we do only all the receiving, faith is taking God at his word concerning what his son did on our behalf. 

I see these kinds of things said all the time but don't understand how such conclusions can be made other than through the words of others. There is no real world evidence that believing in Jesus' sacrifice will get you to heaven yet billions still believe it.

The only way such an idea can be learned or believed is through the words of others and through repetition, because there is absolutely no evidence that such concepts are true.

If you hear something enough times it starts to become reality even if it isnt true., especially if such repetition is started at a young age.

The pathway of rules and regulations for righteousness, otherwise called religion in the Word of God seems right to a lot of people today. Yet, when we look at that word in Scripture, we find it used in a negative sense. The word religion is not used in a positive sense. God gave a religious system to Israel called the Law of Moses. But, the religious system was not for the purpose of giving a person an avenue to righteousness. Paul tells us, “By the works of the law there shall no flesh be justified.” The law did not work within the religious system God gave to Israel to prove to them the law would not make them righteous. We find that rather than something that worked to produce what the natural mind thought could be produced through the law; the law worked to produce the opposite. 


The law said that we must die because we are sinful. Well, Jesus took our death. Paul is telling us here in Galatians 2:19, Jesus died in our place. In our new identity with the Savior, we died when Jesus died, we are dead to the law. Because when Jesus died to the law, he satisfied the total claims of the law. Therefore, the law can’t touch us, Paul is saying. We are DEAD to the law.

a reply to: newnature1

A perfectly righteous son would never tell slaves to obey their masters.

God did for us what we could never do for ourselves, he took all of our performance off of us and put it onto Jesus and judged him for our faulty performance.

Not really.

God allowed Jesus to be the ultimate sacrifice. Because for some weird reason God insists that all covenants with him be sealed in blood. So the blood of his own son apparently good enough to negate any further need for good old goat sacrifices.

Can you imagine what that did to the goat market in 0 AD?

But Jesus did not die for all of our sins. That is a lie to make us feel all warm and fuzzy. Jesus died to seal the new covenant and to change things up a bit.

We don't go to hell for not knowing God. We go there for being bad (sinning)

a reply to: newnature1

Why would a God who could just make everyone believe in him anytime, rely on a book that was over 2000 years old and full of inconsistencies and acts of barberous torture and murder to relay his message of the importance of belief in him. If it is so important for us to believe in him, why doesn't he just make himself known and appear for all to see.

My guess is, it is the same reason that odin, mithra, horus, Quetzalcoatl, Zeus, and Jupiter, also stay hidden from the masses.

a reply to: newnature1

Freedom from gods condemnation? Well at least you admit he's an asshole.

a reply to: newnature1

Except, we are sealed when we show the fruit of the Holy Spirit
We are saved when we worship God by living in love
When we practice living the sermon on the mount
When we become Jesus to the world, loving and forgiving

James in his letter said show me your faith and I will show you my works
Christianity is a Jesus lifestyle, it's not just a Jesus claim

Mathew 7 22 on that day many will say to me...

originally posted by: newnature1
...faith is taking God at his word concerning what his son did on our behalf. 

Blah, blah, believe this, blah, believe that...
Ain't preaching against the rules here.
Why does that not bother Xtians?

No one deliberately harms others unless infected with 'beliefs'!

'Belief' don't get you into Heaven, unconditional Love IS Heaven, Here! Now!
If you are waiting for Heaven/Nirvana, you aren't a Xtian, as per Jesus, Heaven is "at hand"!

a reply to: Woodcarver . . . slaves to obey their masters

Seek the scripture you quote and see why Jesus revealed it to the church.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn

a reply to: Woodcarver . . . slaves to obey their masters

Seek the scripture you quote and see why Jesus revealed it to the church.

scripture is bull# just tell Jesus to come tell me himself. Then I won't have to rely on what 2000-year-old goat herder has to say about it. Because if I have to take your word for it I'll never believe.

a reply to: Woodcarver

Paul was not a goat herder. nor were any of the Apostles. But if you will pick up the Bible or any Bible program and read the section where it talsk about servants obeying their masters you will see in the context why it is taught.

If you have never done that then it sound like you are just echoing what some one else said and have no knowledge of it yourself to be able to make an authoritative statement as you have.

a reply to: namelesss

Could you explain to me how unconditional love is heaven.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: namelesss

Could you explain to me how unconditional love is heaven.

'Thoughts' are already limited/conditional by the time that one descends sufficiently to utter them.
Explanations are consisting of the 'conditional', the 'timely', the 'contextual', the dualism of ego (thought is ego, vanity, Pride, if 'believed'...).

Nevertheless, I'll offer a couple points of interest from the Xtian Persapective;
There are those who say that God is unconditional Love!
Transcending all 'conditions'!

Heaven is described as 'God's presence'.
Jesus said that Heaven is 'at hand'! Here! Now!

If we are living in the lifeless/deathless, timeless/spaceless, transcendental state of unconditional Love, with all it's/Our unconditional Virtues, then we ARE One with/in God's presence, and we are existing in Heaven.
No 'waiting', no 'literal dying', no 'beliefs'... necessary.
This was/is what the whole Jesus story is about!

Anything other than unconditional Love is Hell, sin, insanity!
Here! Now! *__-

a reply to: namelesss

what is Xtian and why do you use Xtian?

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: namelesss

what is Xtian and why do you use Xtian?

You know, I should just copy this answer for future use...
First, I use the 'cross' at the beginning of my 'acronym' for Christianity, because the 'cross' is a relavent symbol of the religion.

Second, 'Cross' sounds almost like 'Christ', so it works like that, also; 'Cross-tian'.

Third, I think that the 'Christ' Spirit' is non-different than unconditional Love, Heaven, Enlightenment, Nirvana... and the word is too freely misused and abused when used in the banality of the vanity of the religious sense.
Jesus was, at times, 'the Christ (Spirit)', and said that "As I Am, so can you be!"
That is what he meant.

I do NOT use the Term 'Xtian' in a pejorative sense, it is not meant as an insult.
'Social Xtian', or 'self-proclaimed Xtian', or 'pseudo-Xtian' might be considered derogatory, to the ego that the shoe fits, anyway. *__-

a reply to: namelesss

X is not a cross. A cross has its Vertical longer than the Horizontal. X's are of equal length.

I could not find "As I am, so you can be!" in the preserved Bible. So that quote must not be from the Bible but from extra biblical source correct?

While God loves all men with an unconditional love, the benefits of his love cannot be applied to a life without condition.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: namelesss

X is not a cross.

Seriously, you are arguing this?
Read what you just wrote.
YOU asked ME why I write 'Xtian', and I generously offered an honest and complete 'context'.
No one knows better than I. what I mean.
You are wanting/needing to argue this as if there were an 'attack', do you feel attacked by my response?
If you do, even the bible warns against 'believing' your 'thoughts' and 'feelings' ('feelings' are 'thoughts')!

A cross has its Vertical longer than the Horizontal. X's are of equal length.

I could not find "As I am, so you can be!" in the preserved Bible. So that quote must not be from the Bible but from extra biblical source correct?

No, incorrect, enjoy;

books.google.com...,+so+can+you+be%22+in+the+New+Testament?&source=bl&ots=G4OKpQFX--&sig= tfLT1NcDA2YPcKGQRQPCw8LIAdI&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwilidjKnN_TAhWhh1QKHaibCv8Q6AEIKDAB#v=onepage&q='as%20I%20am%2C%20so%20can%20you%20be'&f=false

While God loves all men with an unconditional love, the benefits of his love cannot be applied to a life without condition.

You sit there trying to tell me how 'unconditional Love is 'conditional'?
Really?
Many would call that blasphemy, and ignorance is not an excuse.
You are attributing that from the 'conditional'; vanity/ego/Pride, sin, to the transcendental unconditional Omni- One!
You have no Knowledge of 'unconditional', nor can you, it must be experienced to be Known!
That is why you are babbling.

Unconditional Love is, definitionally, without 'conditions'; "Just as I Am!"
Cannot be earned, nor lost.

If you think there are conditions on Christ Love, you must have been reading another book by mistake...

Perhaps someday you will experience/Know become unconditional Love.
THAT is the Truth that "sets you free"!
But you cannot be expected to Know that, yet. *__-

a reply to: namelesss

No I was not offended by your response I was asking a real question.

Should not people know the difference between a Cross and an X?

JW's say Jesus Christ was crucified on and X. If your hands and feet are spread apart and nailed the person being crucified would die in a matter of minutes after they are raised up on the Two feet of the X, because they could not push up to get a breath.

On a Cross the person can push up, painfully and take a breath and slump back down thereby living for hours.

JW's would be Xtians in the truest sense.

Sorry I searched the scriptures to see if the statement that miss Joan made in her book was in the Bible. Just because people say Jesus said something doesn't make it true unless we can find a Biblical record of it. I had not found it. Do you have this book? If so could you look in the Bibliography and see from what she quotes it and from which version she is quoting it?

Let's see, If

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

One must

Roms 10:9, 10 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

So If I am not mistaken the love is applied to a man the moment he confesses with his Mouth and believes with his heart. Otherwise the love of God will not save him and that person will go to hell despite the Love God had for him. John 3:16 is not a blanket that covers all or there would be none going to hell and we all know that is not true.

Unconditional love of God means: that there is no condition whereby God loves me. But if I wont the benefits of that love I must put my faith in Jesus Christ finished work of the cross. What set me free was accepting that love through faith on his son. That is the truth that sets men free.

I have not only experienced God's Love through Christ, But I have seen and experienced verifiable Miracles and answered prayers because of the applied love to my life.

originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: ChesterJohn

a reply to: Woodcarver . . . slaves to obey their masters

Seek the scripture you quote and see why Jesus revealed it to the church.

scripture is bull# just tell Jesus to come tell me himself. Then I won't have to rely on what 2000-year-old goat herder has to say about it. Because if I have to take your word for it I'll never believe.

You sound angry. Just like all fedora wearing internet atheists.

What's so difficult about looking up a scripture and reading it in context??