Im a muslim

blueorder, my points exactly. I think some of these people need to look at their own ethnic group before complaining about the "white man". Stop blaming the "white man" for your own problems. The "white man" only makes up a small preportion of the total ethnic diversity of this World.

The crime in Africa is staggeringly high for any other nation that I know of at present. There are "black men" who rape their own "baby" nieces, doughters and grand doughters. If you want to fool yourself and say, "yes, but the white man do that as well", at least 1) we deal with it and 2) the percentage of such crime isn't even a fraction compared to Africans. This is just one nation of "black men" as well, lets not get started on others.

As I have stated, we "white men" are advancing and evolving. Fair enough, we still have our problems, but we haven't been the dominant race for so long for nothing you know. We have proven our worth throughout history.

I understand that not "every" terrorist is muslim or is classed as someone wanting to blow themselves up, but I am not ignorant to the fact that the "majority" of terrorists are Islamic. There is proof to this, its not that people just say it for the heck of it you know.

BTW: A bomb is used in war, and is not intended to terrorise or kill cizilians, but with any war, past and present, collateral damage is to be expected, no matter what weapon you use. At least the majority of the time, we aim to minize casualties, whereas terrorists aim to kill as many civilians as possible, with whatever means possible.

I advise you study the term "terrorism" and "terrorist" more closely, there is a difference between what real terrorist do, and what "white men" do in war time. I guess you could say African males terrorise their own people through rape, beatings and killings. Whatever you say for the "white man" can easily be ported to any other race, if not ten fold as well

I have a question. I would like to know how eternity is addressed from the point of view of Islam. I'm asking about how a person goes to heaven and hell(I think I already know the answer), but I'm also asking for beyond that.

For ex. in the Bible God tells us that someday sin will no longer exist. God has a timetable set up and at some point Christ will return. In a nutshell satan will be bound, a 1000 year kingdom with Christ ruling will be experienced and then a short period for satan to be let loose and then satan, death, hell, and those who have rejected Christ will be seperated and contained in a specific place. Those who have accepted Christ will then live forever and ever with Him. We will no longer be able to sin and we will do work that will be worthwhile and enjoyable. And we will be able to experience all God has and maybe, will create. As a christian, the Bible presents to me a future filled with hope.

What does Islam promise for all eternity?

I just remembered another question. My spelling will be wrong, but a detailed explanation of the mujadee(spelling?) that Islam is waiting for would be appreciated.



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The crux of the dispute isn't about color. It is obviously and indisputably a result of the fact that the West is corny and dorky and the East is sexy and mysterious. This is why they there are and have been wars. Of course much of Islam is not sexy, but the genetic make-up of the people has potential to be and they percieve accurately without bias based on their image in the mirror. The west, (select but influential members of Britain, America, Australia, Spain, Mexico, Canada) does not laud what is attractive to the natural human eye. You can deny it but that is only denying the truth that you indubitably realize.

Within the East there is further distinction where certain people are honest about their perceptive capacity and others are not. Islam is a constructed veil to help mask the facts of nature. Chinese have perceptive capacity but often choose to ignore it. Japanese are astute, certain Indian groups are astute, Russians are smart, so are Germans and the French are honest.

These are the facts folks.

h4n1144, your post makes no sense to me whatso ever. Please be kind and expand upon to allow such a simple mind, such as mine, to fully comprehend it

Originally posted by h4n1144
Chinese have perceptive capacity but often choose to ignore it. Japanese are astute, certain Indian groups are astute, Russians are smart, so are Germans and the French are honest.

These are the facts folks.

Along with the Irish and Scotts are drunks (this one IS true), Blacks are on welfare, Mexicans are lazy, Italians are all in the Mafia, the Jews rule the world, the Polish are stupid, Native Americans are all drunks, etc.

What a load of crap

Except the Scotts/Irish thing, that true (I am Scotts/Irish)

I am the only one who noticed that the author of this thread has yet to answer anything? 3 pages...yet silence...hmmm......

Originally posted by blueorder
"THE WHITE MAN HASNT GROWN UP"

mmmm, well this white man has grown up, and he has matured and evolved enough (in his lovely modern hometown) to have a chuckle at your childlike comments.

I applaud you then, now if only you can impart your adulthood to the other white men I spoke of, I would be even more pleased. Just think, just as you rush to defend your "grown up" status, so too do millions of muslems elsewhere. Isn't a two-dimensional argument wonderful?

Yes Hitler was white, and white people (as well as people of other race/colour) fought him- what's your point?

Need I really repeat myself? he was white, and probably considered himself whiter than you.

Look at Africa, slavery existed before the white man came, the black man sold his fellow black man (from differing tribes) to the white man. The white man fights a civil war in America to end slavery there. Meanwhile black slavery is alive and well in Africa (and quelle surprise, the nasty white man isnt there to take the blame).

Looking for an excuse to excuse your own bad behaviour, such as blame it on the victim?

Honestly, it's like reading the ramblings of a spoilt child.

What can I say in response to that? You have told me with your defenseless posture to prove that you and your ancestors are beyond reproach haven't you? That very attitude betrays a rather hedonistic and apologetic view of yourself as you rush to cover for the malaise you have regarding your ancestors.

It is downright shameful that when an anonymous muslem poster is attacked and defended, the only response you have is to defend the counter-assault. No you have not yet grown up.

Originally posted by NoobCommandoI understand that not "every" terrorist is muslim or is classed as someone wanting to blow themselves up, but I am not ignorant to the fact that the "majority" of terrorists are Islamic. There is proof to this, its not that people just say it for the heck of it you know.

That you are ignorant of those facts is evident. Have you polled all 2 billion? You repeat only the propaganda you read tells you, or worse, your wayward interpretation of same.

BTW: A bomb is used in war, and is not intended to terrorise or kill cizilians, but with any war, past and present, collateral damage is to be expected, no matter what weapon you use. At least the majority of the time, we aim to minize casualties, whereas terrorists aim to kill as many civilians as possible, with whatever means possible.

It really does not matter to me how you wish to excuse your bomb. Your bomb is far superior to the weapons of those you class as terrorist. You hide behind a button miles away and push it. Your collateral damage is still innocents, and if you can have them , so too can those on the other side.

I advise you study the term "terrorism" and "terrorist" more closely, there is a difference between what real terrorist do, and what "white men" do in war time. I guess you could say African males terrorise their own people through rape, beatings and killings. Whatever you say for the "white man" can easily be ported to any other race, if not ten fold as well

You study it! One of its meanings is to terrorize and fill with fear, and if you think being in a zone where 500-1000lbs bombs are being dropped on you, is not being terrorized and filled with fear, then may I buy you a ticket to Fallujah?

As for the African rape issue. Wherever you hail from, I suggest you look up the stats on rapes by white men, start with Abu Ghraib.

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Originally posted by mpeake

Originally posted by NoobCommando
SomewhereinBetween, not that I agree with any of the things you have listed, but you have to put them in the context of time. Today, almost all terrorists are Islamic. You see, the majority of "white men" have grown up and advanced in the last thousands years, whereas... mmm, well, you get the idea - I don't want to get labelled a racist, because I am white and taking an objective view.

Why is it that the majority "Black people" and other ethnic groups still live in the past and always want to get "one up" on the "white man"? Look at Africa now. They are killing inocent white Africans for no other reason than their skin colour. Of course no one cares about that, we "white men" have to carry the guilt of our ancestors. Now these so-called abused ethnic groups think they can treat "white men" how they want, and the PC agree with it

Oh well, just thought I get that of my chest seen as everyone else is

I think it is blatantly obvious that NoobCommando has an agenda here. I hope that I'm not the only one here who is offended by the racist remarks that are spewed in his post. I know that some of the Mods have been tracking several new members who were sent here to recruit for the Neo Nazi party. I hope for your sake, NoobCommando, that you are not involved in that group, and that you are just a mis-informed "white boy" who has no idea what your talking about.

To any mods who are patrolling this thread, I hope I'm not out of line for asking you to keep an eye on NoobCommando's future posts.

I definetly agree with noobcamando on this subject. I dont think that is an agenda. In my oppinion, the term racist is being thrown around at will. In fact, it is being thrown around sooo terribly that has actually caused a detriment in judgement. Look, racism is a serious issue in some areas of the US, mainly the south, we all know this. It is also an issue in some portions of the world, but in the parts that it isn't, it is getting really annoying seeing Jessie Jackson coming to rich schools because he believes that these kids, whose parents have worked extremely hard to get them to those rich neighborhoods so they could attend the better public schools, that the money should go to a poor black school in a poor neighborhood when it is essentially the people living in that city paying for the education through property taxes. If he wants something to be done about the poor schools he needs to go to the government to get them to spend money on these poor schools, not look to take away the money these people worked hard for and now are investing in their childs schools. A news flash here, racism can be used against White people too. And another thing that needs to be done away with is African-American labeling. Or Asian-American, or whatever. It is ridiculous. I don't want to be called a European American, because i am straight forward an AMERICAN. That PC crap is just another form of racism in itself, through not identifying something as it truly is. What is so racist about saying oh look it is a white guy, or a black guy. Another example of racism against white people is college. Here is what i mean. A college will look at a white kid who comes from an upper class family who ranks in the top 25% of his class with say a 3.5 gpa at a much more competitive and harder school. Then they will look at a black student from a much worse school who has a 3.3 gpa and say well he is black and came from a lower class comunity, and since the government has installed a quota for black acceptance we must reject this kid who is obviously smarter and more dedicated. That is racist. But it is also racist when a black girl is walking down the street and a van with white guys drives buy and calls her that nasty name. I'm not saying by any means that white people are discriminated against more than black people, and i refuse to use african-american as it brings us all to a lower level of living and i firmly believe that. I do believe Black people, and all people should be living at the same level, which is what this is about. Our government has installed laws that are hypocracy, IE the college example. What our government instead needs to do is tighten down on such things as the KKK and say listen, freedom of speech is fine, but when that freedom of speech effects someone elses quality of life you have broken the law, and arrest these people until they learn there lesson. I mean enough is enough already, racism needs to die and NOW, especially in the country that sets the tone for the rest of the world. The south needs to have their schools straightened out, and people in the KKK or any other hate group need to be arrested for threatening someone elses freedoms. We need to just drop the word racist from our vocabularies, and start treating people, no matter the skin color, as people. That is my little rant on that subject.


Back to the original question:

Why is it that Muslims believe that Jesus didn't die on the cross, and that we, Christians, have it wrong, when Jesus specifically says when you are hit on one cheek turn your other cheek. And when someone won't believe after You told them about me, forget about them, brush it off, and keep going, to pester them. Yet Muhammad forced areas to believe in his word. Isn't that a DIRECT contradiction to Jesus, whom is a profit in which you believe. Just a question I have been wondering.


PS- if that post offended anyone i am sorry, it is how i feel on racism, and our government attacking it like it is a joke, and people using the word as if it were a joke. If it seems racist then that is your oppinion, but i assure it isn't racist.

to the original poster...
please come back.. all the serious posters can see thru the drama...
I have a multi part question that i would prefer a verified muslim answer:
does Islam have a different year dating, and what is it?
and is the christian calendar year known widely to muslims?
just curious.. thanks

and for the "look at africa" posters... unless it is related to the thread starters offer of understanding the islamic religion better, then perhaps the "whites are better" comments could go to another thread... noone asked if whites were better or more worthy, and as you can see, the vast majority of the board prefers QUESTIONS closer to the topic...



(shhhhh. but that was still a good one, mpeake:up

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Originally posted by Ryanp5555
The south needs to have their schools straightened out,

Could you please explain this? Or are just another Yankee that runs his mouth about the South without a clue about what he is talking about?

Just what are us backward, sister marrying, rotten toothed Klansman down here in the ignorant red-neck South doing in our schools that is any different than our more sophisticated, more racially sensitive, and admit it, just all around better human beings in the North are doing?

If you can pull your head out of your.....sterotype long enough to look around at the real world you would see that they are more KKK members in the Northwest than the South, but what the hell, right? Why let the truth stand in the way of your preconceived notions and prejudices.

You people are as bad as those you claim to hate.

I gots to go now, me and billy-bob gots us sum niggras to lynch...LOL

I think he meant that some schools in the south were teaching creation as science and fact while telling the kids science was wrong, including a sticker on the front saying that evolution is a theory, not fact, which completely tells you how stupid they are, theory is fact. Theory of Gravity anyone? But thankfully the court stepped in and got the sticker removed.

Of course, not all the south bad, Florida is fun when not being blown off the map by mother nature, and NC are alright to, go there everynow and then to visit Shadow.(he in the navy) But if he didn't mean that, then I agree with you Amuk, guy should learn.

P.S. read my u2u I sent and reply please, or just reply telling me to shove off if you don't want to read it.

Originally posted by LazarusTheLong
and for the "look at africa" posters... unless it is related to the thread starters offer of understanding the islamic religion better, then perhaps the "whites are better" comments could go to another thread... noone asked if whites were better or more worthy, and as you can see, the vast majority of the board prefers QUESTIONS closer to the topic...



(shhhhh. but that was still a good one, mpeake:up

[edit on 4-2-2005 by LazarusTheLong]

I see you don't aim your comments to the "white man hasnt grown up" brigade- keep an open mind eh?

Originally posted by Amuk

Originally posted by Ryanp5555
The south needs to have their schools straightened out,

Could you please explain this? Or are just another Yankee that runs his mouth about the South without a clue about what he is talking about?

Just what are us backward, sister marrying, rotten toothed Klansman down here in the ignorant red-neck South doing in our schools that is any different than our more sophisticated, more racially sensitive, and admit it, just all around better human beings in the North are doing?

If you can pull your head out of your.....sterotype long enough to look around at the real world you would see that they are more KKK members in the Northwest than the South, but what the hell, right? Why let the truth stand in the way of your preconceived notions and prejudices.

You people are as bad as those you claim to hate.

I gots to go now, me and billy-bob gots us sum niggras to lynch...LOL

Lol, wow, never once did i say any of that crap. By schools i meant in terms of, not evolution vs. creationism as evolution is actually only a theory that not all scientists believe in but i personally do, i think, the state governments down in the south. Which sounds bad again, i dont know why i said schools either so dont ask me, i just meant for instance i do not agree with keeping the confederate flag at all. I believe that some people who aren't as smart, you know people like clansmen, and this doesn't mean anything about the clansmen being in the south more, i know the state with the most clansmen is Indiana, but in terms of clansmen i believe they will look at that flag as a symbol of what they are doing is right, even though the flag wasn't there for that purpose. I believe it can promote racism. Please excuse the terrible grammar.



Haha, this topic is soooooo incredibly off topic. How the hell did we get from asking someone questions about Islam, to the North vs. the South.... hahahahaha oh i love this. Well on that note, GO EARTH!

Originally posted by blueorder

Originally posted by SomewhereinBetween

Need I really repeat myself? he was white, and probably considered himself whiter than you.

You mentioned Hitler (out of all the despots- black, white and Asian, so I'm not too bothered if you repeat yourself or not, the white man fought Hitler, so again I fail to see the point. As to whether he considered himself whiter than me, I neither know nor care, and more importantly you have no idead if this would be the case or not. He may think that after I have my week long holiday in Spain, but do I really care what a long dead despot thinks in some sort of racial contest?

Looking for an excuse to excuse your own bad behaviour, such as blame it on the victim?

Sorry this doesn't make any sense, unless of course you think I am a couple of hundred years old and used to indulge in a spot of slave trading in my youth. As I (surprisingly I know) am not of such an age and nor have I ever sold and traded in human beings then I have little to "excuse" my "own bad behaviour". I used the slave issue as a reposte to your "bad whitey" rant, when in fact, some white men (in centuries past) joined in with Africans who ALREADY practised slavery, before ending the practice themselves- meanwhile Slavery is still flourishing in Africa today without big bad whitey.

What can I say in response to that? You have told me with your defenseless posture to prove that you and your ancestors are beyond reproach haven't you? That very attitude betrays a rather hedonistic and apologetic view of yourself as you rush to cover for the malaise you have regarding your ancestors.

You have no idea what my ancestors did or didnt do, anymore than I would ask you to apologise for the actions of your "ancestors" for indulging in cannibalism & slavery (since we are playing the card of all being responsible for the sins of anyone in history who had skin colour broadly similar to our own).

It is downright shameful that when an anonymous muslem poster is attacked and defended, the only response you have is to defend the counter-assault. No you have not yet grown up.

It's a free board, I spotted your comments and thought, "I'll have some of this"

[edit on 4-2-2005 by blueorder]

Originally posted by tomcat ha
After seeing quite a few threads about islam i am sure some of you have some questions about islam. I hope i can answer them as good as possible.

And still, no other contributions by the thread creator... so much for answering them as good as possible..

Hey Saint, answering your question way back on the 1st page:
Muslims do not "Pick and choose" from the bible. Because of how it was said to be corrupted (by the free will of man, not by God), they don't use it at all. Instead they use the Quran.
Tuatara, a muslim is only a "martyr" if they died in the cause of God. This does not only include fighting. What the "suicide bomber's" true intentions were, whether they killed civilians who had nothing to do with their oppression, whether they were being oppressed in the first place, nobody knows.
drbryan, here is a "code of combat" for Muslims (from what I can find in the Quran):
Aggression is forbidden, and Muslims are ONLY allowed to fight if they are attacked first, or they (their beliefs, their families) are being oppressed. They are not allowed to fight in the holy months unless attacked. Fighting cannot be for material gain. Fighting should only be considered as a final resort. If fighting is inevitable, Muslims must prepare well, be brave, and go forth humbly. Killing is only allowed while the hostilities are in progress, and people who are not involved in the fighting should not be touched. If the enemy stops, the Muslims must also stop. Prisoners captured should be treated well, and returned once the fighting is over.
So to answer your question, no, these beheadings were not done in accordance to Islam. It is obvious also, that many who call themselves Muslims do not follow these guidlines. I did not want to fill up the thread with hundreds of quotes, but if you wish, I could post them to show where in the Quran it says all this.
drbryan, I am not so sure what you mean by your 2nd question. Yes, a convert will probably have to change their life considerably. Drinking alcohol and gambling, premarital sex are not permitted (just touching the surface here). You have to pray 5 times a day and fast in Ramadan.
drbrandt, Muslims also believe that Christ will come back near the end of the world, defeat the antichrist, and rule earth for a certain amount of time. According to Islam, when a person dies, depending on how their life was spent, they will either go to heaven, or they will spend a certain amount of time in hell, before going to heaven. In some rare cases, the person would stay in hell for all eternity.
Ryanp, Muhammad did not force any area to believe in his word.
Yes, Islam has a different way of dating. The first year started with the migration of the Muslims to Medina. Today it is Zul Hijjah 24, 1425. The Islamic month goes according to the moon.
About all this racism, I don't get how being of a certain colour can result in an increased tendency to kill. Maybe countries "like Africa" don't have all their murders reported, but then how does that make you an expert on the number of murders that occur there? Besides, the Apartheid finished relatively recently, some people still feel resentful. While this in no way makes what they do acceptable, it makes it understandable. I don't get what you are talking about "white man" having evolved. Races don't evolve. CULTURES however, do go through circles of "evolution/devolution". Look at the Greeks/Romans. At one time they were the pinnacle of science, arts etc. Before them were the Chinese/Egyptians etc. Where are they all now? The Arabs had their "golden age" after that. The cultures at the top now are not purely "white" either. The cultures that are "down" are not down because they are not white, they are down because they suffered poverty, war, famine, disease etc. Anyway, I don't see what that has to do with the topic though.

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Thanks for representing. The first poster ghosted so there seems to be a lot of questions left out there. Your post up there helps explain a lot, and rather than repeat it, I'd just like to say much appreciated.

Originally posted by babloyi
Hey Saint, answering your question way back on the 1st page:
Muslims do not "Pick and choose" from the bible. Because of how it was said to be corrupted (by the free will of man, not by God), they don't use it at all. Instead they use the Quran.

Ah! This makes sense to me now. Thanks for clarifying.

Originally posted by babloyi
Muslims also believe that Christ will come back near the end of the world, defeat the antichrist, and rule earth for a certain amount of time.

Er...wait a sec. I thought they didn't use the Bible. Or is it the Qu'ran re-tells Jesus' life? I'm confused again, sorry.


[edit on 4-2-2005 by saint4God]

Originally posted by blueorder


I see you don't aim your comments to the "white man hasnt grown up" brigade- keep an open mind eh?

Actually i wasn't trying to be specific, but rather try to get EVERYONE to focus on the reason for this thread....

it seems to have wandered... due to peoples personal agendas.

I have nothing agains't debate on the wandering topics, but why don't they start a new thread... "whites are better" or or even "whites have evolved more" or some such... instead of tainting this very educational thread...

there is a place here for everyones opinions and open debate about them, but in appropriate threads please...

I don't think the this thread is titled, "I am muslim and better than you"...
it was an invitation to learning...

and thank you babloy for answering the questions...

I am starting to wonder what happened to our thread poster?

is this perhaps a troll thread to start dramatic debate? points puller?



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