Im a muslim

religion is simply a tool constructed by the collective consciousness to control large populations for the benefit of all citizens. Science is the only real truth.

Originally posted by smokinjoeQuestion: Why are the majority of terrorists islamic?

Because they have been made the flavour of the day by white men.

Jews for 3,000 years were terrorists, refer the Old Testament.
Jews from 300BCE to 79ACE were terrorists, terrorizing even their own, refer Maccabees.
Huns
Goths
Mongels
Romans
Roman Christians
Spanish explorers, terrorized the brown man.
American white settlers terrrorized the red man.
White men terrorized and enslaved the black man.
Irish Protestants
Irish Catholics
Hutus
Tutsis
George Bushmen

Every single one of those earning the label of terrorist. And your skin colour or religion will fall within one of those, which by the implication of your question, makes you a terrorist.

So then, why is your kind a terrorist?

Originally posted by h4n1144
religion is simply a tool constructed by the collective consciousness to control large populations for the benefit of all citizens. Science is the only real truth.

Thank you for your unsubstantiated claim. Does this mean I can plaster the board with my opinions too?

SomewhereinBetween, not that I agree with any of the things you have listed, but you have to put them in the context of time. Today, almost all terrorists are Islamic. You see, the majority of "white men" have grown up and advanced in the last thousands years, whereas... mmm, well, you get the idea - I don't want to get labelled a racist, because I am white and taking an objective view.

Why is it that the majority "Black people" and other ethnic groups still live in the past and always want to get "one up" on the "white man"? Look at Africa now. They are killing inocent white Africans for no other reason than their skin colour. Of course no one cares about that, we "white men" have to carry the guilt of our ancestors. Now these so-called abused ethnic groups think they can treat "white men" how they want, and the PC agree with it

Oh well, just thought I get that of my chest seen as everyone else is

Originally posted by Tuatara
Do you believe it's right to kill others (murder in the name of your religion)

No.

The 10 commandments - Exodus 20:13 "You shall not murder"

Love your enemies - Matthew 4:43 "You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you..." and follows is the reason why.

The Greatest Commandments - Matthew 22:34 "Hearing that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, the Pharisees got together. One of them, an expert in the law, tested him with this question: "Teacher, which is the greated commandment in the Law?"
Jesus replied, "'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your sould and with all your mind.' This is the first and greatest commandment. The second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself'. All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."

Love - I Corinthians 13:4 "Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil, but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, and always perserveres.
Love never fails. But where there are prophesies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. For we know in part and we prophey in part, but when perfection comes, the imperfect disappears."

I Corinthians 13:13 "And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love."

Originally posted by Tuatara
or do you see it as 'dying' for your religion (martyrdom) and inviting those dead to your heaven/hell?

Martyrdom as I understand it is dying for your beliefs...which is not to say killing yourself for your beliefs in my perspective. If someone told me to denouce God or die, I would rather death. I guess martyrdom still exists for me.

Originally posted by Tuatara
An in-depth answer as to why either way would be nice.

Tuataras Third Eye

Does this help?

[edit on 3-2-2005 by saint4God]

Originally posted by NoobCommando
SomewhereinBetween, not that I agree with any of the things you have listed, but you have to put them in the context of time. Today, almost all terrorists are Islamic. You see, the majority of "white men" have grown up and advanced in the last thousands years, whereas... mmm, well, you get the idea - I don't want to get labelled a racist, because I am white and taking an objective view.

Why is it that the majority "Black people" and other ethnic groups still live in the past and always want to get "one up" on the "white man"? Look at Africa now. They are killing inocent white Africans for no other reason than their skin colour. Of course no one cares about that, we "white men" have to carry the guilt of our ancestors. Now these so-called abused ethnic groups think they can treat "white men" how they want, and the PC agree with it

Oh well, just thought I get that of my chest seen as everyone else is

I think it is blatantly obvious that NoobCommando has an agenda here. I hope that I'm not the only one here who is offended by the racist remarks that are spewed in his post. I know that some of the Mods have been tracking several new members who were sent here to recruit for the Neo Nazi party. I hope for your sake, NoobCommando, that you are not involved in that group, and that you are just a mis-informed "white boy" who has no idea what your talking about.

To any mods who are patrolling this thread, I hope I'm not out of line for asking you to keep an eye on NoobCommando's future posts.

Misinformed "white boy" - isn't that racist, along with "white men", etc that has been repeated in this thread? No, I am not part of any political group or otherwise, on the contrary, these are my "informed" opinions.

If I am to be warned, I believe that those using racist terms as stated above and more against caucasians should also be warned.

BTW: I have no agenda, just providing a more balanced view to the racist slander coming from other ethnic groups in this thread

Originally posted by tomcat ha
After seeing quite a few threads about islam i am sure some of you have some questions about islam. I hope i can answer them as good as possible.

well I am a non demonimational Chaplain/scholar and my first question is simple what exactly are these other muslims saying about the faith and holy scriptures, lay out a method or code of combat which in hostages and beheading and other attrosities are in some cases justified.


I know for a fact that there are those who say that they are muslim yet do not interprit the texts that way and I cant seem through my studies of the same text find what they are talking about when they use the texts as justification for those horrific crimes against their fellow man.



My second is the conversion issue seems one sided, it is being put forth by many that coversion to the muslim faith is okay , but coversion away can end up costing the prospective convert and their guides to conversion their lives litterally and spiritually.






[edit on 3/2/2005 by drbryankkruta]

Originally posted by h4n1144
religion is simply a tool constructed by the collective consciousness to control large populations for the benefit of all citizens. Science is the only real truth.

Not all that is claimed to be science IS science, either, so that leave that supposed solid rock in question as well, lol....and when has science not been used to contorl the population? Science is often done by popular concensis (Ref: look at the definition for laws now in biology books.) Specific beliefs held by some scientists, in relation to ONLY science, with the specific purpose of not relating to God in any manner, since he cannot be a part of science, by some definitions, have committed some of the greatest atrocities ever seen in men. When dealing with humanity and allowing humanity control over some process, someone WILL foul it up with their own bigotries and predispostions. That's normal human behavior. It matters not whether it's a religion or whether it's a family feud started over who makes the best hamburger. It is all foolish wastes of time, and that includes much of the so called science out there.

And I'm not suprised that such a high percentage of killers are white in America. The majority of America is STILL white. Also, true serial killers tend to kill all over the place, and nt often that close to home, and with how small many European countries are, do the often share murder data? For every single Serial killer that's out there, there are a supposeed 10 that will never be caught. (True Serial Killers are no thtose that kill multiple times, but those that kill for a sexually related dominance...and no woman has fit that lable yet...though there have been women that do kill mulitple times. The one woman who came close to that behavior killed not out of dominance but a confusion of defense for EVERY SINGLE SEXUAL ACT SHE COMMITTED, lol...) Also, you can't get statistics from countries where they don't release the full information to you. And one more thing that all studied serial killers have in common, ALL KNOWN CASES OF SERIAL KILLERS started with pornography. All guys get tired of pornograpy highs and move on to more hands on stuff....just serial killers take it too far.

Now, seriously, these things have nothing really to do with the subject at hand.



Now, a real question: What's the hardest part about sharing your faith for you personally? how does that conflict with the views of your own branch of mussslim beliefs?

Originally posted by SomewhereinBetween

Originally posted by smokinjoeQuestion: Why are the majority of terrorists islamic?

Because they have been made the flavour of the day by white men.

Jews for 3,000 years were terrorists, refer the Old Testament.
Jews from 300BCE to 79ACE were terrorists, terrorizing even their own, refer Maccabees.
Huns
Goths
Mongels
Romans
Roman Christians
Spanish explorers, terrorized the brown man.
American white settlers terrrorized the red man.
White men terrorized and enslaved the black man.
Irish Protestants
Irish Catholics
Hutus
Tutsis
George Bushmen
Every single one of those earning the label of terrorist. And your skin colour or religion will fall within one of those, which by the implication of your question, makes you a terrorist.
So then, why is your kind a terrorist?

This is kind of unfair. Most Americans don't have the Terrorist of the world comming up to them. And most Musslim Terrorist cells try to imply that they are THE voice for all musslims, when they are not.

One who utilizes the systematic use of violence and intimidation to achieve political objectives, while disguised as a civilian non-combatant. The use of a civilian disguise while on operations exempts the perpetrator from protection under the Geneva Conventions, and consequently if captured they are liable for prosecution as common criminals.

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Most of your list is more akin to Genocide. Israel was not know for hiding it's actions form others. IT was done as the WHOLE population. Spanish Inquistion was a religous genocide (should that be religocide?). Huns, Israel, and Germany under hitler came in and conquored, they wre not dressed as civilians (IF there was a military standard, they wore it proudly, and they came as an ARMY)....Terrorists tend to be the same as anything labled a resistance fighter..... and it's not just the whites in this country that beleieve that there ar emore Musslim terrorists than anywhere else. Some whole religions (mostly VERY small) are nothing but terrorists. But out of the major rleigions, while there are still atrocities int he others, are not as terrorist related as most the middle eastern Musslims...but they are still just FACTIONS, not the whole group. The ONLY other prominant group that falls under that headign are the fights between the Catholic Irish and the Protestant Irish...and almost all ACUTAL terrorist problems with them are on ONLY the British Isles, not halfway across the globe. (Though the Irish factions DO get ther funding from prominant Irish families here in the states.) Hell, I need to see a list of African Terrorists and which ones are related to Musslim beliefs and which ones are not. Now, as to non religious ones? dunno. Most terrorists DO use religion as an excuse....often why it's a rebellion when it's terrorist acts in one country alone, and little religion goes into it.
and get this striaght. Israelites were NOT white....some, NOW, are white, and some are black....because they married into other races. They THEN were quite arab in apearance, in fact are honestly of the same stock as most arab families...and should be considered another Arab family line up until the last dispersal of the Jewish people. Just like some Musslims, EVEN the TERRORISTS, are white. Bigotry of that sort can make you lose perspective (whether intentional or not).

[edit on 3-2-2005 by jlc163]

Originally posted by NoobCommando
Yeh, a report from Fox News, but it doesn't state if those figures are Worldwide or just American cases. Again, many developing countries such as Africa, etc. have a corrupt legal system where many, many murders are not reported. Please provide a reputable source on "true" Wordwide figures, as you originally attempted to do.

Here are some references that you can look into that support the following claims:

The US has 76% of the world's Serial Killers

Europe, in second, has 17%

84% of American killers are caucasian

16% are black

men make up at least 90%

Yet 65% of victims are female

89% of victims are white

44% of all killers start in their 20's

26% in their teens

and 24% in their 30's

Out of all the killers, 86% are heterosexual
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Do you want more references?

Look into the case of Ted Bundy, he was caught quite by accident. Because ofhim, researchers are quite aware that they haven't found that many of them. Also, not even in America are the data on rapes, murders, and other violent acts are not shared much further up than the individual stations.

Originally posted by mpeake
Do you want more references?

I'm not sure you have enough there mpeake...

Kidding! Please don't kill me.

Seriously, kudos to the massive bibliography! Good statistics have two parts - the findings and the substantiation. Thanks for providing both.

Can someone tell me what this has to do with the topic?

He wants to inform us about muslims and I for one would like to hear more about them. What does serial killers have do do with Islam?

Originally posted by Amuk
Can someone tell me what this has to do with the topic?

He wants to inform us about muslims and I for one would like to hear more about them. What does serial killers have do do with Islam?

Sorry, it came from this conversation...

Originally posted by mpeake

Originally posted by smokinjoe
Look I've just got to ask these questions, I'll probably get shot down in flames...

Question: Why are the majority of terrorists islamic? How come many of you feel that you need to go on a killing rampage in the name of your god? I don't see anyone attacking people of your religion, in fact you are welcomed all around the world, yet where you go there seems to follow violence and discord. Why?

Smokinjoe

Why are the majority of serial killers white males? I assume you are a white male, so you must know the minds of the white males who feel the need to repeatedly murder innocent people for thier own sick gratification.

That was a bit unfair of me to ask huh? Well, why do you assume that a muslim like tomcat ha knows the mind of a terrorist? Being a muslim does not make you an expert on terrorist psyche, just like being a white male doesn't make you an expert on the mind of a serial killer.

Originally posted by mpeake

Originally posted by NoobCommando[/i
mpeake, can you provide some evidence to back up your point. Don't forget, in many countries that are predominantly black have a very corrupt legal system, and so many incidents don't get reported ie. look at Africa and the ethnic cleansing against whites. I could also say the same for many Middle Eastern countries too, except the ethnic cleansing.

- The USA has 76% of the worlds Serial Killers

- Europe, in second has 17% of the worlds Serial Killers

- 84% of American killers are Caucasian

- 16% of American killers are black

- Men make up at least 90% of Serial Killers

- Yet 65% of victims are female

- 89% of victims are white

- 44% of all killers start in their twenties

- 26% of all killers start in their teens

- And 24% of all killers start in their thirties

- Out of all killers, 86% are heterosexual

www.fortunecity.com...

I think that about sums it up. Anything else?

[edit on 3-2-2005 by mpeake]

Originally posted by mpeake

Originally posted by NoobCommando
< Refers mpeake back to original post. Many nations have poor and corrupt legal systems ie. Africa, where many, many murders are not reported. I would also like to call your attention to the link provided. I could easily set up a website and alter all those stats to show that any other ethnic group was higher on the list.

Please provide evidence from a reputable source. For all we know, the person who designed that site may have something against Caucasians, as I have found the general opinion from Black men for some reason (well, in the NorthEast of England).

Sure thing buddy

Profiles are based on past killer statistics, who the victims were and/or descriptions extrapolated from crime scene observations, such as how neat it was, whether the body was disposed of and whether it seemed the killer was in a hurry.

"The process of profiling is basically some deductive reasoning based on what you find at a crime scene," Fox said. "It's not of a specificity that will allow you to put out an all-points bulletin."

If the victims were predominantly white, authorities assume the killer is too, since most homicides are same-race. About 70 percent of all serial killers are white and 95 percent are males. This method was used in both cases.

www.foxnews.com...

This is from a report on Fox News.

But, I think I've proved my point enough (well, overkill comes to mind

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Sorry, back to the subject at hand