schools must allow for minority students to speak in ebonics

originally posted by: dreamlotus1111
a reply to: EvillerBob

arent teachers required to have a degree meaning they went to years of college and took classes covering a variety of knowledge not just one subject?

En muchos lugares su grado es el tema elegido

a reply to: dreamlotus1111

Nope you were the one raising your mother's apparent issues with communication, in a country she has had 25 years opportunity to learn how to speak the language and be understood.
I say if you can't speak the host nation language properly after 25 years then a laziness issue is worth investigating.

a reply to: EvillerBob

how does speaking a certain way hurt anyone? thats what im still trying to figure out.
maybe its an age think. i assume you and the others on this forum replying are 40-50+ years old and just dont "get it"

why do most teenagers and people in their 20s understand ebonics

maybe its the music. rap music is probably the most popular in many different countries. younger people can listen to songs recite lyrics and understand everything...

so lke i said if its so bad and detrimental why do so many people speak that way? and why is it glorified in music that people LOVE

a reply to: crazyewok

google translate is cool huh

originally posted by: dreamlotus1111
a reply to: EvillerBob

how does speaking a certain way hurt anyone? thats what im still trying to figure out.
maybe its an age think. i assume you and the others on this forum replying are 40-50+ years old and just dont "get it"

why do most teenagers and people in their 20s understand ebonics

maybe its the music. rap music is probably the most popular in many different countries. younger people can listen to songs recite lyrics and understand everything...

so lke i said if its so bad and detrimental why do so many people speak that way? and why is it glorified in music that people LOVE

Since it seems we are on the same side of the fence. I will ask you this. Show me a black person speaking ebonics? Give a example. I only ask because I grew up in the so called hood of Cleveland ohio and I have never heard this ebonics thing spoken. I only hear it from white people when they try to imitate how they think black people talk.

a reply to: dreamlotus1111

I think people should be completely free to speak in any manner they chose.

And employers should be free not to hire them.

originally posted by: dreamlotus1111
a reply to: EvillerBob

arent teachers required to have a degree meaning they went to years of college and took classes covering a variety of knowledge not just one subject?

Depends on the subject and the country, but the principle stands. The value of a chemistry teacher is in their knowledge of the subject.

I seem to recall this particular thread of the conversation started from someone suggesting that knowing an additional language alone was sufficient to make them better qualified to be a chemistry teacher. My point is that, in a standard English school, there is no reason why language should be more important that subject matter knowledge. Switching to another language in the middle of a lesson does nothing to help the students who should be encouraged to use every opportunity to develop their English skills. That's how they learn.

Incidentally, with a large number of Polish children in local schools, many of them are hiring classroom assistants who can act as a bridge but without letting the children rely on having entire lessons translated. They seem to be needed for about a year before most children are perfectly able to engage and communicate without assistance.

originally posted by: SBMcG
a reply to: dreamlotus1111

I think people should be completely free to speak in any manner they chose.

And employers should be free not to hire them.

True. That's why most black people are bilingual they speak to those close using slang and they speak job interview..lol

a reply to: Jahari

i would use kanye west as an example he flip flops how he talks almost in every interview

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: dreamlotus1111
a reply to: EvillerBob

arent teachers required to have a degree meaning they went to years of college and took classes covering a variety of knowledge not just one subject?

En muchos lugares su grado es el tema elegido

E'glap potumboo forbarpo norp lacheechee?

originally posted by: Jahari

originally posted by: SBMcG
a reply to: dreamlotus1111

I think people should be completely free to speak in any manner they chose.

And employers should be free not to hire them.

True. That's why most black people are bilingual they speak to those close using slang and they speak job interview..lol

So you admit that Ebonics is in fact superfluous?

originally posted by: dreamlotus1111
a reply to: Jahari

i would use kanye west as an example he flip flops how he talks almost in every interview

That's not an example. It's a person. Flip flops? I'm not to sure what you mean here. Can you explain. Thanks.

a reply to: SBMcG

because all employers require people to talk the same? i weird. i hear tons of accents when i go out even doing daily tasks. wonder how they got jobs?

a reply to: Jahari

kanye west would be an example because in his old music and how he spoke before he blew up is vastly different then how he talks now in 2017

and you yourself just stated that black people switch from a job interview voice to slang another example

originally posted by: dreamlotus1111
a reply to: EvillerBob

how does speaking a certain way hurt anyone? thats what im still trying to figure out.

Again, two things are being blurred. Speaking slang, local dialect, whatever... is not an issue. Being stuck in that slang language with no way of shifting gear in a professional setting may well seriously hurt the child's chances in later life.

My parents made sure that I was able to drop the local accent that surrounded me growing up. I do the same with my children. They will slip straight into the local slang with their friends, but they can still shift gear when talking to teachers or adults.

For many children, the classroom might be the only exposure they ever have to the non-vernacular. If you don't protect that - or at least provide it in some other way - then the person you are hurting is the child who will spend their life sounding like a cliche.

Perhaps that doesn't matter. Perhaps that kid will never work in an industry where it has an impact. But... why would you force them to live with those limitations? How cruel is that?

originally posted by: SBMcG

originally posted by: Jahari

originally posted by: SBMcG
a reply to: dreamlotus1111

I think people should be completely free to speak in any manner they chose.

And employers should be free not to hire them.

True. That's why most black people are bilingual they speak to those close using slang and they speak job interview..lol

So you admit that Ebonics is in fact superfluous?

Like i stated I have never witnessed anyone speaking ebonics. So in saying that I would say yes it is. Black people don't speak "job interview" at home because it's not how they speak to those close to them. Just like a Spanish, French etc family they may still speak in their native tongue at home.

originally posted by: crazyewok

An undergrad researcher at the University of Wisconsin-Madison has entered the public limelight with research indicating that standard English is “oppressive” to minorities, essentially stating that grammatically correct speech is too hard for them to learn.

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I am sorry but NO!

Ebonics is NOT a language! Its just a bunch of jumbled nonsense because certain people are to stupid and lazy to speak correct English.


I refuse to accept it as a language.

I am a teacher myself now and I refuse and will continue to refuse it in my class room, giving any work written in such crap a big FAIL.

When I ran my own buisness I would bin any CV's written in ebonics without even reading past the first sentence.

Also is not the premises itself racist in itself? Are the left saying blacks are not capable of speaking correctly?

Bigotry of low expectation strikes again.

smdh

originally posted by: dreamlotus1111
a reply to: Jahari

kanye west would be an example because in his old music and how he spoke before he blew up is vastly different then how he talks now in 2017

and you yourself just stated that black people switch from a job interview voice to slang another example

Yes. I'm still missing the point.

Oh i think i should make this clear I don't think "ebonics" belong in the classroom. It's unnecessary.

a reply to: EvillerBob

force them to live with limitations?

i hate this idea that if you dont do something in life perfectly you are failed to doom. that is 1000% false.

life is about creating what you want to. doing what you want. i personally have the believe that no matter what you look like talk like etc you can turn out to be a millionaire. doing whatever the hell you wanted like creating a new invention or starting a business whatever the case may be

stop trying to change people because they dont fill some close minded mold that you CREATED in your own mind of how they should act, dress, look, etc!!!

originally posted by: JahariShow me a black person speaking ebonics?

Never heard it outside of... well, people taking the piss out it. I usually interpret it as a kind of generic cliched vernacular, not a specific language.

I'm not particularly focused on Ebonics, I just disapprove of the general idea of allowing any form of slang/vernacular to supplant a "clean" version of the relevant language in the classroom.

If I spoke like the locals I grew up with, I'd sound like a retarded pirate. My voice is a noticeable percentage of my job, retarded pirate just wouldn't cut it.