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No Joke: U.N. Elects Saudi Arabia to Women's Rights Commission
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originally posted by: ColdWisdom
a reply to: dragonridr
Sure, it's easy to speak up about it when you're nestled safely behind the border of the USA.
Where's the feminist movement in Saudi Arabia? Where are the gay rights coalitions?
Did you watch the video she answers your question. She said they would behead her if she returned so the opposition is killed . Meaning they have to leave the country to speak out. And no its not easy to talk about it when they reach the USA. This is the religion and culture they grew up in meaning its very conflicting for them. They had to give up family and friends
www.independent.co.uk...[ed itby]edit on 4/23/17 by dragonridr because: (no reason given)
Obviously the UN is a corrupt joke, but I don't think we should be messing with Saudi Arabia, not if you are a US citizen. They are what makes the
petro-dollar, and if that were to collapse, the USA economy collapses. The only reason we can be $20 Trillion in debt is because of the petro-dollar.
There is a reason both democrats and republicans play ball with Saudi Arabia, if we didn't we would turn into a third world hell-hole overnight.
What all this means is that Saudi Arabia is becoming a very powerful nation. They are engaged in multiple wars outside their border, have the US in
their pocket and can manipulate the UN.
We should be very wary.
We should be very wary.
edit on 23-4-2017 by pirhanna because: (no reason given)
Does the US actually need another reason to leave and unfund this joke?
This has to be one of the dumbest things I've ever heard in my life. I lost track over the last few years of the number of threads I've seen on ATS
discussing how Saudi Arabia has done some despicable thing against women. Women aren't even allowed to drive or get a job without a man, women living
under Sharia law essentially have no rights. I just did an ATS search and here are some results just from the first two pages.
Muslim girl, 19, 'stoned to death after taking part in beauty contest'
Famous Saudi Preacher Gets Away With Torture and Murder of 5 Year Old Girl
SAUDI ARABIA: Kingdom steps up hunt for 'witches' and 'black magicians'
Saudi Arabia outlaws ‘tempting eyes’
Saudi Woman Who Posted Video of Cheating Husband Faces Jail
Muslim girl, 19, 'stoned to death after taking part in beauty contest'
Famous Saudi Preacher Gets Away With Torture and Murder of 5 Year Old Girl
SAUDI ARABIA: Kingdom steps up hunt for 'witches' and 'black magicians'
Saudi Arabia outlaws ‘tempting eyes’
Saudi Woman Who Posted Video of Cheating Husband Faces Jail
edit on 24/4/2017
by ChaoticOrder because: (no reason given)
Dear Western Feminists,
Now that you have such an esteemed member representing your interests on the Women's Rights Commission, maybe you can share your feelings about your highly traumatic experiences of being whistled at while out in public and being told how nice your boobs are?
I really think this latest development will be revolutionary in helping you combat those awful experiences!
Now that you have such an esteemed member representing your interests on the Women's Rights Commission, maybe you can share your feelings about your highly traumatic experiences of being whistled at while out in public and being told how nice your boobs are?
I really think this latest development will be revolutionary in helping you combat those awful experiences!
originally posted by: ChaoticOrder
This has to be one of the dumbest things I've ever heard in my life. I lost track over the last few years of the number of threads I've seen on ATS discussing how Saudi Arabia has done some despicable thing against women. Women aren't even allowed to drive or get a job without a man, women living under Sharia law essentially have no rights. I just did an ATS search and here are some results just from the first two pages.
Muslim girl, 19, 'stoned to death after taking part in beauty contest'
Famous Saudi Preacher Gets Away With Torture and Murder of 5 Year Old Girl
SAUDI ARABIA: Kingdom steps up hunt for 'witches' and 'black magicians'
Saudi Arabia outlaws ‘tempting eyes’
Saudi Woman Who Posted Video of Cheating Husband Faces Jail
They have to have permission from father or husband to even go shopping. They control all aspects of their lives with the exception of Riyadh. There all the rules went out the window and women can do as they like. I dont think it was an accident people visiting Saudi Arabia would be in Riyadh since they ban westerners from most of the country. And when i went there when i wasnt in the military you need a sponsor to vouch for you
Well, I abhor the record of women's (and girl's) rights in all countries where Muslims are the predominant force. Saudi is just the tip of the
iceberg, but their abuse of the rights of women and girls is the same as what happens in Iran, Pakistan and another countries.
There is a reason why many (most) Muslim countries don't agree with the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and it is because it apparently conflicts with Sharia law, where women are not equal.
On Saudi Arabia. Well, little steps perhaps, but as many western women's rights campaigners and feminists seem to accept that the rights for women and girls is a "white Western thing" the Saudi's should get on quite well. How do I know this - well, look at the women's groups in the UK campaigning for trivialities while ignoring the abuse in some imported cultures when women and girls are ghettoised, abused and socially isolated. It's ok though, 'cos it's only brown people, so what do they know?
There is a reason why many (most) Muslim countries don't agree with the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and it is because it apparently conflicts with Sharia law, where women are not equal.
On Saudi Arabia. Well, little steps perhaps, but as many western women's rights campaigners and feminists seem to accept that the rights for women and girls is a "white Western thing" the Saudi's should get on quite well. How do I know this - well, look at the women's groups in the UK campaigning for trivialities while ignoring the abuse in some imported cultures when women and girls are ghettoised, abused and socially isolated. It's ok though, 'cos it's only brown people, so what do they know?
a reply to: infolurker
I wonder if including Saudi in the UN is another way of telling them 'look... this is how we treat women... fair and square... as equals'? Maybe with Saudi being on board they will see the error of their ways.
Just a thought.
I wonder if including Saudi in the UN is another way of telling them 'look... this is how we treat women... fair and square... as equals'? Maybe with Saudi being on board they will see the error of their ways.
Just a thought.
originally posted by: ColdWisdom
Where's the feminist movement in Saudi Arabia?
Sitting in a jail cell...
Where are the gay rights coalitions?
Being thrown from roof tops...
a reply to: infolurker
This is absolutely wonderful news! We all know that Islam is the new feminism! We also know that the Hijab and BirkaDirka are symbols of freedom!
Muslims Are The REAL feminists!
This is absolutely wonderful news! We all know that Islam is the new feminism! We also know that the Hijab and BirkaDirka are symbols of freedom!
Muslims Are The REAL feminists!
So far I haven't seen a single leftist news source mention this but I did watch a political talk show last night (in Australia) where they were
debating how compatible Islamic culture is with Western culture. The discussion was clearly spurred by U.N. news because they focused quite a bit on
women's rights issues. Yet not once did they even mention Saudi Arabia or the U.N. They had an Islamist in on the discussion, and he's like "that
section of the Quran where it says strike or bully women into submission is open to interpretation by different scholars" and shouldn't necessarily be
taken at face value.
I'm sorry but you cannot just pick and choose which parts of your religious book to believe, just like the bible, either it's all valid or we must question all of it. And regardless of how this particular guy interprets the Quran, the fact is most adherents to the Quran interpret it the way it's written, they think they have ownership over women and can do with them what they like. I don't care about your damn personal interpretation, I care about the reality of the matter, and the reality is that fundamental Islamic beliefs are not compatible with Western culture.
I'm sorry but you cannot just pick and choose which parts of your religious book to believe, just like the bible, either it's all valid or we must question all of it. And regardless of how this particular guy interprets the Quran, the fact is most adherents to the Quran interpret it the way it's written, they think they have ownership over women and can do with them what they like. I don't care about your damn personal interpretation, I care about the reality of the matter, and the reality is that fundamental Islamic beliefs are not compatible with Western culture.
edit on 25/4/2017
by ChaoticOrder because: (no reason given)
a reply to: Winstonian
Edit: Everything below is directed at the article. Winstonian, I feel strongly you linked the article insincerely (knowing it WASN'T satire) to demonstrate how absurd the content of the actual article is. Would I be correct?
After reading the article headline and the rest of your post, I was initially convinced "SATIRE alert! This is SO going to be some type of Satire!"
Then went to the link and decided to read the article as objectively as I could, despite gradually thinking the further I went along "Yeah, this is definitely some form of satire..."
Then as I reached the last few words, to my UTTER amazement I realised "this is NOT satire. This person is being serious. They actually do believe what they are saying!"
It was an interesting read. Nice presentation, pleasant language, thought-provoking and exactly what I wanted to hear. And that is when alarm bells rang off in my head. What I had just read was PERFECT ammunition for me who is highly critical of Western feminism to use against my nemeses. I was given such good reasons to believe everything I was told, I was given such convincing and seemingly logical answers that I WOULD have been sold and ready to link it in every pro-Western feminist thread I could find...had I NOT done my research into Islam before reading it.
If I could best sum up the article you linked, I would do it as follows:
Muslims Are The REAL feminists! is a dangerous piece of propaganda disguised in the shiniest of sheep's clothing for their intended audience: Western feminists. Why? Because it is relying on the fact that Western feminists know next to nothing about Islamic scripture, which is VERY likely considering they are already teamed up with Islam to help promote the belief that what I mentioned before (close examination of Islamic scripture) leads to Islamophobia. In addition, it serves an even darker purpose as well: to get people LIKE ME to automatically challenge Western feminists to read it, as though I would have been given no better opportunity to rub into their faces that even Muslim feminists have it better than they do!
All so very cunning and devious! I must admit I am surprised at realising the full extent of the attempted deception.
Attention: Western feminists, I don't particularly like you and you don't like me, but please heed the following warning wisely: do some basic research into Islam, especially Muhammad and anything to do with Women's roles/obligations within Islam. You do NOT understand what you are being fed.
If you think I am just trying to stir up trouble and demonise the author or Muslim "feminists", please at least consider this: why at no time throughout the article are you never encouraged to look at the source material of Islam, while continuously being told what you have probably heard is wrong. They don't say, "read into Islam and THEN decide for yourself!", they just encourage you to believe the author and all your goals and ambitions you have fought for can be achieved by being a Muslim feminist! (you know, the ultimate combination of your nemeses' most feared combinations.)
Please, for your sake as human beings, research Islam. Buy an authentic Quran with an English translation if you must and get access to Hadith writings via the internet if you can, you are being deceived to a horrible degree!
Even more fascinating to consider after reading the article: Who has the most to gain from Western feminists swallowing this propaganda and becoming Muslim feminists? non-feminist Muslims!
We are headed for serious trouble if this article becomes a beacon of light within Western feminists circles, if it has not already happened...
Edit: Everything below is directed at the article. Winstonian, I feel strongly you linked the article insincerely (knowing it WASN'T satire) to demonstrate how absurd the content of the actual article is. Would I be correct?
After reading the article headline and the rest of your post, I was initially convinced "SATIRE alert! This is SO going to be some type of Satire!"
Then went to the link and decided to read the article as objectively as I could, despite gradually thinking the further I went along "Yeah, this is definitely some form of satire..."
Then as I reached the last few words, to my UTTER amazement I realised "this is NOT satire. This person is being serious. They actually do believe what they are saying!"
It was an interesting read. Nice presentation, pleasant language, thought-provoking and exactly what I wanted to hear. And that is when alarm bells rang off in my head. What I had just read was PERFECT ammunition for me who is highly critical of Western feminism to use against my nemeses. I was given such good reasons to believe everything I was told, I was given such convincing and seemingly logical answers that I WOULD have been sold and ready to link it in every pro-Western feminist thread I could find...had I NOT done my research into Islam before reading it.
If I could best sum up the article you linked, I would do it as follows:
Muslims Are The REAL feminists! is a dangerous piece of propaganda disguised in the shiniest of sheep's clothing for their intended audience: Western feminists. Why? Because it is relying on the fact that Western feminists know next to nothing about Islamic scripture, which is VERY likely considering they are already teamed up with Islam to help promote the belief that what I mentioned before (close examination of Islamic scripture) leads to Islamophobia. In addition, it serves an even darker purpose as well: to get people LIKE ME to automatically challenge Western feminists to read it, as though I would have been given no better opportunity to rub into their faces that even Muslim feminists have it better than they do!
All so very cunning and devious! I must admit I am surprised at realising the full extent of the attempted deception.
Attention: Western feminists, I don't particularly like you and you don't like me, but please heed the following warning wisely: do some basic research into Islam, especially Muhammad and anything to do with Women's roles/obligations within Islam. You do NOT understand what you are being fed.
If you think I am just trying to stir up trouble and demonise the author or Muslim "feminists", please at least consider this: why at no time throughout the article are you never encouraged to look at the source material of Islam, while continuously being told what you have probably heard is wrong. They don't say, "read into Islam and THEN decide for yourself!", they just encourage you to believe the author and all your goals and ambitions you have fought for can be achieved by being a Muslim feminist! (you know, the ultimate combination of your nemeses' most feared combinations.)
Please, for your sake as human beings, research Islam. Buy an authentic Quran with an English translation if you must and get access to Hadith writings via the internet if you can, you are being deceived to a horrible degree!
Even more fascinating to consider after reading the article: Who has the most to gain from Western feminists swallowing this propaganda and becoming Muslim feminists? non-feminist Muslims!
We are headed for serious trouble if this article becomes a beacon of light within Western feminists circles, if it has not already happened...
edit on 25/4/2017 by Dark Ghost because: (no reason given)
a reply to: Winstonian
Right... In Australia I see that they are preaching the women can be given a smack.
Sure, real feminism. Strip off the headgear and hold your heads up high and I'll believe you.
kind regards,
bally
Right... In Australia I see that they are preaching the women can be given a smack.
Sure, real feminism. Strip off the headgear and hold your heads up high and I'll believe you.
kind regards,
bally
originally posted by: Deaf Alien
This seem absurd but I will play devil's advocate here. Wouldn't women from there be better candidates for understading the inequality and to bring awareness to it?
Yea the ones NOT being forced to wear burkhas and look over their shoulder to see who is watching. I don't believe we know of many of those DA...
originally posted by: ChaoticOrder
I'm sorry but you cannot just pick and choose which parts of your religious book to believe, just like the bible, either it's all valid or we must question all of it.
What I learned reading the Bible was, the Old Testament is what people who hate Christians think the Bible is about and the New Testament is where we are told to forget about the traditions and stick to Loving each other as yourself, believe that Jesus came to be a sacrifice for our sins to fulfill the Old Testament so we could move on. It still took a long time for the New Testament to sink in.
John Lennon had it right when he and Paul wrote "love, love, love, all you need is love". Do that and we don't need any laws. Greed and selfishness do major harm to others.
I would support a full on invasion of Saudi Arabia and definitely think the world would be a better place if their monarchy was destroyed. All
countries that live in the stones ages should be left in the stone ages.