Marine Le Pen wins in France = Trumpism is a Global Movement

originally posted by: Swills
a reply to: SBMcG

It always goes back to the Clinton with you right wingers. You guys are playing them out. When Chelsea runs for president when can reexamine this case.

No it doesn't, it goes back to the bat chit crazy ideology that she's aligned herself with. She just happens to be the queen of lunacy and everything that ails the left. She's going to get all the negative attention she deserves.

Like Tardacus said...."people are sick of this liberal crap".

a reply to: SBMcG

You know, Europe. Might want to start your search with the happiest countries on Earth. Well hell, I'll start you off.

Where are the world's happiest countries?

Obviously there is already some moderation happening here -- how about a moderator put the = sign back into the subject line so that the "equation" element of the original title is more clear.

Thank you.

originally posted by: Swills
a reply to: SBMcG

You know, Europe. Might want to start your search with the happiest countries on Earth. Well hell, I'll start you off.

Where are the world's happiest countries?

Sorry, sport. Half my family lives in the UK -- Ireland and England. I go over 2 or 3 times a year. My dad was from Ireland.

Americans live about 3X better on average than your average UK resident.

a reply to: mtnshredder

No it does. Conservatives always deflect to the Clinton's. Now, don't get me wrong, I can't stand Hillary and despise her for running in this past election but right wingers always deflect back to her or her husband.

Sure, she deserves negative attention but right wingers have saturated the market to the point where anyone but a right winger doesn't give a damn anymore because the dead horse has been beaten to death over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again. The election is over, let it go.

a reply to: SBMcG

I didn't know Ireland and the UK was in Europe? I thought they opted out of that?

In any case, there was more to the EU than Ireland and the UK.

Again, I apologize for the formatting issue in the subject title of this thread. I did not in any way intend for it to be misleading.

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originally posted by: Swills
a reply to: SBMcG

I didn't know Ireland and the UK was in Europe? I thought they opted out of that?

In any case, there was more to the EU than Ireland and the UK.

Have you even BEEN to Europe...? I have, many times.

Anyway, tell me where socialism works in what you define as "Europe".

a reply to: SBMcG

This is a conspiracy forum man, no need for that nonsense because it is clear that the right wing conspiracy to gain a foot hold over the western world is through fear...fear of the left and of the muslims.

originally posted by: Chadwickus
a reply to: SBMcG

This is a conspiracy forum man, no need for that nonsense because it is clear that the right wing conspiracy to gain a foot hold over the western world is through fear...fear of the left and of the muslims.

OK. So that's your "proof" that there are "false flags" taking place in France and elsewhere in Europe re: Jihad?

originally posted by: Swills
a reply to: mtnshredder

The election is over, let it go.

Phhtttt....Many of us have been saying this for months, all for not. Surely you've noticed the constant non-stop bombardment of anti-Trump rhetoric from the left?

a reply to: SBMcG

If you can't already tell mate, I'm being sarcastic and facetious.

Altough my commentary on it has some merit, as in, since the likes of Trump have come in to power, the cries of false flags have died out quite significantly. There is also a clear right leaning slant with those that carry on about false flags on ATS, it seems as though, in their minds, only the left are capable of it.

a reply to: Swills

Maybe you should pay closer attention to the examples you give?

#1 happiest country Norway, described as a mixed economy that is transitioning away from socialism.

Competitiveness of "mainland" industries. The high cost of labor and other structural features of the Norwegian environment have caused concern about Norway's ability to maintain its cost of living in a post-petroleum era. There is a clear trend toward ending the practice of "protecting" certain industries (vernede industrier) and making more of them "exposed to competition" (konkurranseutsettelse). In addition to interest in information technology, a number of small- to medium-sized companies have been formed to develop and market highly specialized technology solutions

The role of the public sector. The ideological divide between socialist and non-socialist views on public ownership has decreased over time. The Norwegian government has sought to reduce its ownership over companies that require access to private capital markets, and there is an increasing emphasis on government facilitating entrepreneurship rather than controlling (or restricting) capital formation. A residual distrust of the "profit motive" persists, and Norwegian companies are heavily regulated, especially with respect to labor relations.

en.wikipedia.org...

Anyways, let's just start being honest with ourselves. The happiness of people in countries has nothing to do with socialism. Your link was a good example of low population, rural countries being better places to live. Liberal strongholds (metropolitan areas) tend to be more miserable, as per science.

The study finds that those living in counties outside metropolitan areas tend to report higher levels of happiness than those living in central cities

www.citylab.com...

originally posted by: Chadwickus
a reply to: SBMcG

If you can't already tell mate, I'm being sarcastic and facetious.

Altough my commentary on it has some merit, as in, since the likes of Trump have come in to power, the cries of false flags have died out quite significantly. There is also a clear right leaning slant with those that carry on about false flags on ATS, it seems as though, in their minds, only the left are capable of it.

You can't be sarcastic with me tonight

And I'm with ya..., I do think there is more "false flag" nonsense emanating from the Right.

a reply to: SBMcG

So it begs the question, why couldn't it be something like that then?

I have no evidence of it, nor have I looked into it, but when partisanship defines which conspiracy theories one believes...massive alarm bells should start ringing.

I'll be voting tomorrow. I am not so sure LePen will win, but we'll see. My husband and I will not be voting for the same person.

If LePen wins, she has said she wants to ban double nationalities - which would mean I'd have to get rid of my american nationality. Only that costs a couple thousand euros and I still have to continue paying US taxes anyway. Unless she's going to pay for that, I might have to go back to the US.

The biggest problem with her discourse, that most french people are aware of (but I doubt people in other lands are, seeing the posts I see here on ATS) is that in France, our problems are with french citizens - not immigrants.
Almost all of our terrorist attacks were carried out by people born in France and converted to Islam in the last few years.
Our daily struggles (that we all have to face on the streets) are with the part of the population that are born in France, have only french nationality, and have often never been to the countries of their grandparents or parents (Algeria or Morocco, for the majority). They get converted largely through internet, and in prison.

They go from being dealers and thugs to "cleaning up their act" through joining radical Islamist groups. It's like criminals in the US who find salvation in prison through becoming born again Christians - except in a religion that is in its Crusade stage.

LePen goes on about recent immigrants, but here we move amongst immigrants everyday and they are quite civil. She hasn't had much to say on the real problem. There are other candidates who focus on the internal problem with french crime - which this latest event supports too! Macron has a big chance at winning too.

originally posted by: Bluesma

Our daily struggles (that we all have to face on the streets) are with the part of the population that are born in France, have only french nationality, and have often never been to the countries of their grandparents or parents (Algeria or Morocco, for the majority). They get converted largely through internet, and in prison.

How is it that these terrorists were born French citizens? Immigration. If you want to stop future terrorists, you need to control current immigration policy. Unless radical Islam is defeated, the West is committing suicide by allowing vast numbers of Muslims into their countries. If you're OK with the destruction of the West, then by all means let the immigrants flow in.

originally posted by: TruMcCarthy

originally posted by: Bluesma

Our daily struggles (that we all have to face on the streets) are with the part of the population that are born in France, have only french nationality, and have often never been to the countries of their grandparents or parents (Algeria or Morocco, for the majority). They get converted largely through internet, and in prison.

How is it that these terrorists were born French citizens? Immigration. If you want to stop future terrorists, you need to control current immigration policy. Unless radical Islam is defeated, the West is committing suicide by allowing vast numbers of Muslims into their countries. If you're OK with the destruction of the West, then by all means let the immigrants flow in.

Those immigrants came from countries that were colonized by the french, and were invited over to do manual work here. Their situation is much like that of the black community in the US, descended from slave labor. There is a history of bitterness and guilt involved. The french are dealing with something closer to the black uprising of the sixties in the US.

Collective guilt motivates much in such matters. Merkels open invitation to refugees. Think about it. Subconsciously trying to balance out karma. "We're not racist or cruel anymore". There are reasons the immigrants are mostly just moving through this country to get to other ones.

Radical Islam is finding it's new recruits amongst the troubled youth born within a specific relationship that has it's past. THAT is what the french people (all of them) have to deal with directly.

It's easier to tell oneself "hell is others" and all problems between people are happening despite and irregardless of our own behavior. It's just like individuals who find they keep having problems with others, so decide to just stop socializing altogether and close up their walls. It's a cop out.

a reply to: SBMcG

After recent events, can you really blame the French for voting 'Le Pen'?' .

i doubt she's as far right as they make out in the media.