Is Being Gay Natural or is it Just Another Human Behavior Brain Disorder - (Controversial)

a reply to: RP2SticksOfDynamite

From a non medical opinion , I say nature, why else would you have gay , horses, birds etc.

originally posted by: MrNeo
This is the product of a female soul ending up in a male body or a male soul ending up in a female body.

Some souls are trasngendered as well as the body they end up in...creating what we see now...total confusion.

Still disorder is what it really is...the damage is present either in soul or body or both.

Our human forms have been sabotaged to allow for other experimentations...we will see where this all goes now that things have been "sped up"

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: RP2SticksOfDynamite

A mental disorder is a syndrome characterized by clinically significant disturbance in an individual's cognition, emotion regulation, or behavior that reflects a dysfunction in the psychological, biological, or developmental processes underlying mental functioning. Mental disorders are usually associated with significant distress in social, occupational, or other important activities. An expectable or culturally approved response to a common stressor or loss, such as the death of a loved one, is not a mental disorder. Socially deviant behavior (e.g., political, religious, or sexual) and conflicts that are primarily between the individual and society are not mental disorders unless the deviance or conflict results from a dysfunction in the individual, as described above.

That is the APA's definition of mental disorder. As you can clearly see homosexuality does not fit the bill. You are wrong.

This does not state that being gay is not a disorder and you know why because the truth is that it is! My view!

originally posted by: dfnj2015

originally posted by: Tempter
God to gays - " Your life is the sum of a remainder of an unbalanced equation inherent to the programming of the matrix. You are the eventuality of an anomaly, which despite my sincerest efforts I have been unable to eliminate from what is otherwise a harmony of mathematical precision. While it remains a burden to sedulously avoid it, it is not unexpected, and thus not beyond a measure of control. Which has led you, inexorably, gay."

God said that people!

Do you honestly think God did not know what was going to happen to the apple in the garden with a naked woman prancing about? I think God knew what he was doing when he created gay people.

It's a quote from the movie The Matrix, just trying to lighten everyone's mood.

a reply to: RP2SticksOfDynamite

Yes it will.

So in absence of anything other than incoherent ramblings I can only conclude that you have nothing more than a self righteous conviction empowered by an unrealistic over important sense of self to back this theory of yours.

In a single word;

Deluded.

i know a gay guy who hates being gay. i worked with him at a restaurant and he told me his story. when he was younger he would go buy girly magazines and stuff and try to get turned on by the nude women.. he tried to date some women but it just did not do it for him.. he was very ashamed of liking men but he was not able to like women. in his case it does not sound like being gay was a choice.

i think of it like this. cars. i would rather have a Porsche 911 or even a Subaru WRX STI over something like a Ferrari or a Lambo. i do not choose to like like one better than the other. or colors. i love green and orange, i dont choose those colors there just what i am attracted to.

i cant stand to see naked men, i once worked at a gym and had to get the trash in the locker room, nude dudes all over in there. I hated going in there and having to see that, i do not understand how a man can be attracted to another man.

bottom line i don't think you choose what you are attracted to and what you are not attracted too.

some gay people are gay and you would never know it and thats cool, others float around the room and make sure you know their gay, i think those people intentionally act that way but i could be wrong.

i know they say gay people have something different going on in their brain than straight people but i cant remember what.

a reply to: RP2SticksOfDynamite

War is considered a disorder, and yet the human race is still here. The social fabric of society is fluid; look at trans-humanism. Its a brave new world we're entering. Homosexuality is no big deal; we need a lower birth rate.

I have empathy for anyone who is inflicted with an illness. My position is not one driven in anyway by hatred or a desire to persecute. It is driven by a common sense logical opinion that anything behavioral that the brain does which is considered out of the norm, unnatural or unbalanced is obviously as a result of a disorder of some kind and a defect in the wiring and processes within the brain!

My case I rest! I expected this thread to be very controversial and it is but many of the responses in conflict with my opinion only go to further entrench my position!

And like I have said many times, the future will prove me right and be my judge!

And to all those gay or not, its nothing personal, merely a convinced mind of what the likely truth is!

In denial is the prerogative of those who choose to be so.

Here is hoping that all those inflicted get well soon! And thank you to all who have so far contributed to this thread!

originally posted by: RP2SticksOfDynamite

originally posted by: dfnj2015
a reply to: RP2SticksOfDynamite

What is "truth" is very subjective. I do not think it is up to straight people to define what is normal for gay people.

Isn't funny how the people who are most outspoken against homosexuality turn out to be one in the end!

But that is like saying that well people (Doctors) shouldn't define what is well and what is ill!

What is "truth" is very subjective. There is no doubt the most common type of sex is heterosexual. What is means to be gay, however, is purely an opinion. "What is well" and "what is ill" is not defined by doctors. Patients come to doctors with pain and illness. There are many gay people who are very happy in their own skins. I imagine there are some who are not. But the amount of labels with negative connotations being attached to gay people is coming from people making subjective judgments.

Is it immoral to be gay? Is it evil? Just like God knew exactly what was going to happen to the apple in the garden with a naked woman prancing around, God knew what he was doing when he created gay people. Gay people naturally exist. What it means, in my opinion, is up to gay people to define. If you are heterosexual, then just leave gay people alone. In my mind, this would be like treating people with red hair differently because you hate red hair.

a reply to: RP2SticksOfDynamite

Did you not read this part:

Socially deviant behavior (e.g., political, religious, or sexual) and conflicts that are primarily between the individual and society are not mental disorders unless the deviance or conflict results from a dysfunction in the individual, as described above.

Homosexuality deviates from the societal norm but because all conflict stems from the interaction between the individual and society it is not a disorder. Which is also why it was removed from the DSM.

Tell me, do you think that people who choose not to have kids also have a mental disorder?

originally posted by: markosity1973
a reply to: RP2SticksOfDynamite

Yes it will.

So in absence of anything other than incoherent ramblings I can only conclude that you have nothing more than a self righteous conviction empowered by an unrealistic over important sense of self to back this theory of yours.

In a single word;

Deluded.

Delusion is usually driven by some form of disorder and being gay is just that! Delusion and denial go hand in hand!

You don't like the idea of you being ill I presume!

originally posted by: kibric
a reply to: thekaboose

good point
gay animals

Why wouldn't animals be born with mental disorders as well???

Humans are not the only ones born with birth defects:

a reply to: RP2SticksOfDynamite

I don't think gay people or anyone would deny the majority of sexual behavior going on in the world is heterosexual. What it means to be gay, however, is something you are choosing to be "unnatural", "unbalanced", and "disorder". All those terms have negative connotations. There is no objective evidence to support you subjective judgment. All you have is entrenched hatred. You could easily look at the same evidence and choose the words, "natural", "balanced", and "orderly". I don't think I am "unnatural", "unbalanced", and "disordered" because of some of my unique genetic traits. I don't see anything to suggest gay people are not perfect exactly as God intended.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: RP2SticksOfDynamite

Did you not read this part:

Socially deviant behavior (e.g., political, religious, or sexual) and conflicts that are primarily between the individual and society are not mental disorders unless the deviance or conflict results from a dysfunction in the individual, as described above.

Homosexuality deviates from the societal norm but because all conflict stems from the interaction between the individual and society it is not a disorder. Which is also why it was removed from the DSM.

Tell me, do you think that people who choose not to have kids also have a mental disorder?

Some people cant have children and that's not as a result of a mental disorder, nor is the wish to not want to bring children into an unnatural environment, sad and corrupted world of ours!

originally posted by: RP2SticksOfDynamite

originally posted by: markosity1973
a reply to: RP2SticksOfDynamite

Yes it will.

So in absence of anything other than incoherent ramblings I can only conclude that you have nothing more than a self righteous conviction empowered by an unrealistic over important sense of self to back this theory of yours.

In a single word;

Deluded.

Delusion is usually driven by some form of disorder and being gay is just that! Delusion and denial go hand in hand!

You don't like the idea of you being ill I presume!

So, are you telling us all you are gay perhaps?

Because the only delusional behavior I see is this belief you have that you have not been able to back with ant evidence beyond shouts and insults.

a reply to: JaneJonesLOLXD

The problem is, homosexuality WAS a disorder, until the snow-flake generation took over

No the problem is that homosexuality was never a disorder until they put it in the DSM; and then took it out again.

If you cant understand that psychiatry is a not real testable repeatable science then you will not progress in understanding anything. LOL they're still looking for those elusive chemical imbalances of the brain

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: RP2SticksOfDynamite

Did you not read this part:

Socially deviant behavior (e.g., political, religious, or sexual) and conflicts that are primarily between the individual and society are not mental disorders unless the deviance or conflict results from a dysfunction in the individual, as described above.

Homosexuality deviates from the societal norm but because all conflict stems from the interaction between the individual and society it is not a disorder. Which is also why it was removed from the DSM.

Tell me, do you think that people who choose not to have kids also have a mental disorder?

Why wouldn't it be a disorder???

The brain is incredibly intricate.

How hard would it be for some brain cells that should have gone left, to go right???

Look at autism, or schizophrenia or any of the other gajillion possiblities???

The interesting point is what if the "flaw " in your brain wiring is such an important part of the ID that we are not even remotely advanced enough to fix it??


And what do we do with brain disorders we can't fix??? Treat them as if they have as issue that is not their fault.

a reply to: RP2SticksOfDynamite

So then how is a person that chooses not to conceive contributing anything more to society than a homosexual person? If one is a mental disorder then shouldn't the other be as well.

And then of course we can address the fact that same sex households tend to provide a more loving environment to adopted children. That seems like a big contribution to society.

We could also get into the genetics of it as well. For example some of the genes that contribute to homosexuality in males contribute to higher fertility in females. So it doesn't seem like it is a deleterious mutation. In fact it is one that helps propagate the species.

originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight
a reply to: JaneJonesLOLXD

The problem is, homosexuality WAS a disorder, until the snow-flake generation took over

No the problem is that homosexuality was never a disorder until they put it in the DSM; and then took it out again.

If you cant understand that psychiatry is a not real testable repeatable science then you will not progress in understanding anything. LOL they're still looking for those elusive chemical imbalances of the brain

Considering they haven't found an evolutionary trigger for homosexuality, since obviously it wouldn't be an advantage when you try to pass on your genetics.

Something your body does that doesn't increase your ability to survive and reproduce is inherently a disorder..


If you had a cow herd and 40% wouldn't breed because of some wiring issue in their brain, that would be a disorder....


I think the important part is that so far no amount of technology or jesus can fix that disorder.

a reply to: FuggleHop

hmmm..."smartest" and the "bible" in the same sentence.....LOL