Breaking News: British PM Theresa May to make major announcement (Early Elections)

originally posted by: umbr360

originally posted by: crazyewok
a reply to: TrueBrit
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As soon as I finish my teacher training I am packing my bags and moving abroad due to how badly this country treats its teachers and how it has treated me.

Funny the government will have spend £20,000 in bursary’s plus another £15000 in students loans I wont pay back if I move aboard. The government will have lost that because of how inept they are!

You complain about budget cuts etc... right after saying how you will be moving abroad and therefore not paying back money to the government. I need a big blooming knife the carve through the irony of that one.


As to the main issue...despite all the parties that exist, yes the UK is essentially a two party system right now. It's Conservatives or it's Labour. That could change, not by these elections, not by the next, maybe not even the ones after that. But if people would stop 'not voting out of protest' and actually vote for a party they can agree with, even if it has no chance of winning, that could start the ball rolling.

The more people who vote for a small party, the more people who will see them as worth voting for next time. It's maddening to see people across my facebook complain about the current government but then declare they wont e voting at all.

I see your point but I don't believe in legitimising a system that by any real measure can't justify it's own existence to a satisfactory degree, at least to me.

Voting for a small party is still granting consent. No tangible change will ever come from working within the parameters of this system, it's been designed solely to propagate itself and stifle any meaningful attempt to change it for the better.

Even if a small party managed by some miracle to eventually become the opposition party, the need for bigger donors will always lead them to be in somebody's pocket and that party will inevitably always be beholden to them before the electorate.

a reply to: MagnaCarta2015

Agreed, which is why I'm voting lib-dem.
The candidate has represented my constituency before, a really hard working MP, only got beaten by the Conservative at the last election due to the UKIP votes.
I voted UKIP last time to get the referendum.
We've had it, now I want the best local candidate representing my community.
The lib-dem candidate is the one for me, known professionally and personally.

*edit*
The Conservative candidate is a prick and we hate each other on social media lol

Intead of election maybe we should just have a fight. It seems to me that all walks of life are now way too divided in a financial and politicl sense. and the division is widening. The real poor are getting poorer, The real rich are getting richer and those inbetween are slowely but surely getting #ed over as well. The middle classes still havn't woken up yet as to what's really going on. They'll wake up when they need to go claim unemployment or sickness benefit. or need decent health service only to realise that it doesn't exist anymore. WAKE UP!!!!!

The tories are now saying they will be reviewing pensions as of 2020. You do know what a "review" means.

They have taken so much from the sick and disabled and the unemployed they have no-one else to rob other than pensioners.

Austerity? They can find 200 billion for trident. 370 million for a refurb at buck house, over 4 billion for the refurb of Westminster, a 3 billion contract to ATOS or whatever name they go by now just to save 2 billion. Not to mention the other billions they throw around like it's confetti when they feel like it. But remember...We are all in this together. ?

So lets just #ing shoot it out and to the victor the spoils.

a reply to: Soloprotocol

Exactly.

Remember this just a couple of years back now.
www.independent.co.uk... .html
Quote from the independant

Now is the best time to cut pensioner benefits because many of those affected “won’t be around to vote” at the next election and others will forget they had them in the first place, a think tank director has said. Alex Wild, a research director at the Taxpayers’ Alliance, a think tank that campaigns for lower taxes, said the Government must not wait to make cuts to benefits such as the winter fuel allowance, free bus pass, free TV licence and the Christmas bonus for the over 65s. The former Tory Defence Secretary Liam Fox, speaking at the same fringe event at the Conservative party conference, agreed, saying the Government must take advantage of the “great opportunity” of a weak opposition to push through unpopular decisions, “however unpalatable they will be”.

He added that older people would understand the need to cut the deficit and help the future generation. Pensioner benefits have been widely protected by the Tories since they came to power in 2010, with the biggest cuts falling on the younger generation in the form of welfare benefits, rises in tuition fees and widespread cuts to departmental spending.

Mr Wild said there were two reasons why the Government should make the cuts to pensioner benefits “as soon as possible after an election” . "The first of which will sound a little bit morbid - some of the people... won't be around to vote against you in the next election,” he said. “So that's just a practical point, and the other point is they might have forgotten by then.

"If you did it now, chances are that in 2020 someone who has had their winter fuel cut might be thinking, 'Oh I can't remember, was it this government or was it the last one? I'm not quite sure.' "So on a purely practical basis I would say do it immediately. That might be one of those things I regret saying in later life but that would be my practical advice to the government." Mr Fox said now that Labour was no longer a “great threat,” it offered the Government a “great opportunity for us to do some of the more difficult things, however unpalatable they will be in the short term are what we need to do for the country". He said: “This is the time to fix the roof….we have a broken opposition. We have just won a general election and we need now to take the tough decisions we believe are right… we need to do what we all know deep in our hearts to be right." Mr Fox added: "We have got to start to get really honest with people because this is not a sustainable position," he said. "We can't afford it now, we can't afford it in the future, why don't we try to get a longer-term plan put in place so that people can make the adjustments they will need to make for us to be able to get back into balance."

Difference and it is not just policy's.

Conservative's believe in NO public support for anyone, lower tax for the wealthy and less regulation for business as well as NO right's for employee's.

Historically it as the tory's that gave us work house's, transportation and many other atrocity's against the British populace, if people had any brain's and a political memory longer than the last five minutes, if they were awake the Tory's would have been put on trial long ago for there many crime's against the British people.

They never abolished any of these, it as the Liberal's the old Liberal party that did.


Labour believes in wealth redistribution in order to create a more fair, even and healthy society, Free medical care for everyone, free legal advice and right's under the law, work place right's and protection's against exploitation and bad employers, housing for everyone and free decent school's for all children as well as free school meal's, public library's and facility's free and open to the public.
All of which the Tory party starting with Thatcher and accelerating under the Condem's and then even faster once Cameron first got it on his own then handed the reigns over to May.

But Labour has been sabotaged and racked by in fighting due to the Tory light (so called NEW LABOR) whom infiltrated the party wanting to retain there own ill gotten gain's at the expense of party and actually it is not Corbyn's fault but there's that the party is in it's current state.

I'm read this thread with interest and hearing from tv and newspapers etc and the trouble I'm seeing is that most are far too concerned with internal matters and party policies to include the real issue which is Brexit . As far as I can see if the Labour or Lib Dems or even the greens got power , then Brexit is finished . Supra-national politics is being avoided perhaps on purpose .

People want to talk about what is fair to our citizens , and that's ok , but no one is including European policies in their criticisms , and how they affect us the Brits , or the world's poor , for example .
The Common Agricultural Policy of Europe means that
1. European consumers including us , pay about double what food is actually worth . Every time a loaf is bought , you pay double what its actual value is , even when suppliers have taken their profit . That is so that Europe can keep landowners owning land : th EU props up farmers across the continent , so that they can keep hold of the major asset - land .
Paying landowners to own land , it doesnt take a socialist view to dismiss the diabolical reality, but simply pure common sense! You pay double on your bread money for that ,_every single time you buy it .
Because of Europe , we pay landowners to keepowning land , to profit from simply being the controllers of land . Landowners sit on their arses and pay contractors to oversee the fields and even fill in the subsidy forms . Set-aside land , makes it even easier .
Its money for nothing , worse than that , you're paying for your own impoverishment in the EU !

And that's not to speak of Africa - we can't buy African grains for our breads because of EU protectionism , the CAP again .
Are we supposed to just forget them , while spreading our gains (fairly now) amongst ourselves over here? Not very true socialist is it ! Just downright collective greed . African nations have in the past nearly starved and actually starved todeath because of EU policy on agricultural products . The EU refuse to buy because the world prices are too cheap to reatin the status quo in Europe , where the rich keep getting richer yeah? So why don't we spend some time working what matters for the world , and not just our relatively safe citizens at home .

F the EU , if any party even smells of being pro EU , they can go to hell . If we're out of it , their power is broken , and it is an absolute must to get rid of it in current format , from all Europe , not just Britain . Vote TM and we might just get that

Clarify - half the money that each loaf costs , goes to landowners in the EU .
Bread and grain at world prices , is half the price of bread and grain inside the EU .
Are landowners rich enough ? They own tracts of land for starters , of course they are !

They dont deserve help to own land , but they get all that extra money , just so they can keep on owning it ? . How on earth is that fair ?
It is not -- it's the CAP making a disasterous situation for everyone near and far

Rich getting richer , yes it numbering is , in the EU . This has gone on for long enough

a reply to: ZIPMATT

To be fair in the UK farmers were committing suicide, there are legal bound's upon what they can do with the farm land.

IT is the Tory's that want to restore the landed gentry and to take us back to the day's when a four year old was once hanged for taking a bite out of an apple.

Labor want soft Brexit which mean's we stay in the EEC while the liberal democrat's want us to actually cancel Brexit.

a reply to: ZIPMATT


OK, That's my mind made up. Vote Tory for a cheap loaf. It's all the Eu's fault bread costs 79p a loaf..Nothing else matters. Piss off.

a reply to: Soloprotocol

Except it ain't just bread m8 . Half your food money (including everything you eat) , goes into the pockets of EU landowners . Those landowners aren't Mr. Farmer you know - he's a contractor these days . the landowners are increasingly corporate trust funds.
Wondering why we can't afford this and that ?
If you can't stomach TM then don't vote

And, foreigners come and buy EU land up because the subsidies are so high . They get a price for produce and a big wedge per hectare on top !

Any society/ecenomy is based on it's agriculture - a simple fact .
You want the CAP to continue unchecked ?
Because there was bugger all parliament could do about that one for years and years , and years. But there's anything we want to do coming up now instead . F the EU and soft brexits - we will get our say back

originally posted by: LABTECH767
a reply to: ZIPMATT

To be fair in the UK farmers were committing suicide, there are legal bound's upon what they can do with the farm land.

IT is the Tory's that want to restore the landed gentry and to take us back to the day's when a four year old was once hanged for taking a bite out of an apple.

Labor want soft Brexit which mean's we stay in the EEC while the liberal democrat's want us to actually cancel Brexit.

Suicides , yeah , that was while they were being forced off of small holdings from the 1990s , say 300 -900 acres . At 2000 acres you're cost effective nowadays , at 20 000 acres you're cleaning up .Some , of those tories you're on about , and their mates , are doing exactly that right now ,yes , and opposing the coming change , no wonder why .
Labour can just suck eggs imo they were sellouts long ago , just better at hiding it now

originally posted by: ZIPMATT
And, foreigners come and buy EU land up because the subsidies are so high . They get a price for produce and a big wedge per hectare on top !

Any society/ecenomy is based on it's agriculture - a simple fact .
You want the CAP to continue unchecked ?
Because there was bugger all parliament could do about that one for years and years , and years. But there's anything we want to do coming up now instead . F the EU and soft brexits - we will get our say back

Tories.... Evicted tens of thousands of UK residents from their homes in London by cutting housing benefit and then sold off those homes to foreign investors who now rent out those properties to UK workers instead of the unemployed or they are simply now holiday homes for the rich. It's called Social cleansing, right up their with ethnic cleansing.

The list goes on and on of how odious tories are.

Tories = Bastards. They are a cancer that requires immediate removal.

a reply to: ZIPMATT

Very good point, you and Soloprotocol are both correct.

My opinion is that they are a party of Con artist's and thieves that rob the poorest in society, not surprising as they represent a supposed higher class whom in reality are descendant's of violent robbers and murderer's.

a reply to: LABTECH767

True , but things change and progress over time , power changes hands . TBH I would like to see Cameron and Osbourne back in the hot seats , but they are not the only patriots who'll lie and /or die for their country as far as I can see. The 'tories' (an overused term) used to be a party of pedos and pederasts , who were in power , they had the leadership but the primeministerial role and chancelorship has to shift . It shifted to people who have hounded out the worst wrongs since they took power , something Labour lights never did , as they have their own , you know whats etc.
The leadership now is not all bad , weathering open threats from the EPP , and they can stand up to other bad pressurisers on this country's democracy , like the A-team , other drug companies, google, the late US administration , the OECD , for example , as can Trump .
We, if I might join them , have taken over , we're having our countries out of Europe , out of organised globalist hands , end of .

*see Russian models

originally posted by: ZIPMATT
I'm read this thread with interest and hearing from tv and newspapers etc and the trouble I'm seeing is that most are far too concerned with internal matters and party policies to include the real issue which is Brexit . As far as I can see if the Labour or Lib Dems or even the greens got power , then Brexit is finished . Supra-national politics is being avoided perhaps on purpose .

Personally I see the polar opposite - privatisation of the NHS, cutting education, social care, welfare etc....are far more important than Brexit negotiations whih Tories are desprately pretending is the focus of the election to dupe the public into forgetting how they rigged the last election, had and still have no Brexit plan and austerity completely failed at the cost of tens of thousands of lives and what looks like a lost generation coming up.

I see no reason why focussing on domestic issues, politicians own legacy and actual Party policies/manifestos is a bad thing - basing a vote on a single issue and ignoring serious matters when we've already had a referrendum on the EU on the other hand makes no sense to me.

For example I agree CAP is a ridiculous policy but paying slightly infalted food prices (that won't go down post Brexit as the other option is using tax havens for shipping - i.e bananas have a 10,000% mark up of profit due to tax evasion/shippnig methods used to avoid paying a penny in tax) is meaningless when May wants to sell the NHS to the US so we'd be paying £100,000 for operations, £30,000 for childbirth, £8,000 for MRI scan on current figures being leaked.


Asside from the actual political substane - basing any vote on a single issue or the political parties verbatim press release for why they called the election is always going to end in you being duped and having to suffer the consequences, regardless of what Party having worked in PR in the past and seeing the contempt PR firms have for life and the public at large (i.e Bell Pottinger the Tory PR firm get paid tens of billions for fabricating news stories so their clients can win elections on completely false info)

labs.thebureauinvestigates.com...

The Pentagon gave a controversial UK PR firm over half a billion dollars to run a top secret propaganda programme in Iraq, the Bureau of Investigative Journalism can reveal.

Bell Pottinger’s output included short TV segments made in the style of Arabic news networks and fake insurgent videos which could be used to track the people who watched them, according to a former employee.

The agency’s staff worked alongside high-ranking US military officers in their Baghdad Camp Victory headquarters as the insurgency raged outside.

Bell Pottinger's former chairman Lord Tim Bell confirmed to the Sunday Times, which worked with the Bureau on this story, that his firm had worked on a “covert” military operation “covered by various secrecy agreements.”

Bell Pottinger reported to the Pentagon, the CIA and the National Security Council on its work in Iraq, he said.

www.opensourceinvestigations.com...

www.theguardian.com...

a reply to: bastion

Don't vote Conservative then.
The 'why's' about the election are pretty irrelevant now, we have what 6 weeks before marking our X and unless something dramatic happens before then I'm guessing most people know their choice already.

a reply to: bastion

I agree with much of what you say , which is well put . I can't really see how Bell-Potinger are doing harm there though , their work was part of fighting a war , they probably needed a sandy hot spot for realism . It was Blair got us into Iraq with the mezzers anyway !?
But I'd reiterate , maybe an oversimplified concept , but if say asda were building another big hypermarket which puts out anyone small , exploits the staff , rips the consumers off , only supplies fluoridated toothpaste ,
but , at the same time ,
the french were landing in Plymouth , Hampshire and Kent simultaneously , with the intent to invade and colonise London , spreading North ,
which single issue would be the more important ?

The persons saying , we can't let asda do that , while the french were invading , would be seen as insane , would he not ? Its worse than that , we're trying to make Europe leaves our country . I got it wrong while we're being led to a conclusion :
It is going Europe Union leaving this country , not us leaving the European Union .
What Farage said at E parliament : "....you're the ones leaving , not us . We are shutting the door , goodbye !"

It has to be that way , the single issue way way more important than the rest . We're getting reasonable perspective while discussing it

If people dont like the right wing because they are right wing , then how come the EPP , "the party of the centre-right which founded the European project from it's inception" , get a by ? You're leaving them EPP right wingers who've been fixing things up for years on their own unchecked by democracy alone, and collaring the British centre -right !


How come , you're all tory bashing , and not bashing the right-wing government of Europe then ? Huh?

Tories = Bastards. They are a cancer that requires immediate removal. [/q uote[

Stick that in a German accent LOL