MSNBC's Putin Trump chemical attack conspiracy theory

a reply to: allsee4eye

I never quite understood why it was a legitimate venture for the MSM to promote their inconsistent theories as some kind of marvelous insight and yet not report the truth? Must be an msm thing...

Cheers - Dave

originally posted by: MyHappyDogShiner
a reply to: Middleoftheroad

Facts are facts?.

Like the FBI investigated the private email thing and found no crime to have been committed, but Trump wouldn't shut up about it, and the fact he wouldn't shut up about it makes the lies he spewed into truths?.

It's a fact because the Trumpanzee said so?.

Something very wrong in this country...

No, I don't consider anything Trump had to say about it applicable to anything. NIce try on putting words in my mouth though.

originally posted by: Middleoftheroad
a reply to: Gryphon66

No, there isn't a comparison. They didn't hire private IT guys to setup illegal servers in their personal home to house highly classified information. Big difference.

The law is the law.

A private server is the issue, not where it is located (physically/geographically).

/shrug

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: Gryphon66

Here's the only fact we really know: Donald Trump completely reversed his entire policy position on military intervention on Syria.

Or how many politicians lied to the public on their campaign platform and then reversed themselves after gaining office?

All of them, all the time. They get selected not elected for their ability to fool the public. They are liars or they ain't politicians, not even allowed to come anywhere close to the Halls of Power.

Imagine a movie script, film set and actors where one actor keeps ruining the production by turning to the camera and saying, its all fake, its just a movie. That person is fired.

Follow the script, don't break character.

Sure, except in Mr. Trump's case ... the mythos was that he was "not a politician" and that he was "keeping his campaign promises" (the purpose behind those self-aggrandizing displays at his desk with signed EXECUTIVE ORDERS) etc.

The attack on Syria was not just an example of typical "say one thing, do another" from politicians....

It was 180 degrees from everything he's said for the past three or four years ... a COMPLETE reversal.

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask
Sorry not clicking a random source that says "link" you post no information from the source....this could be anything including a virus,or anything else....and all of your threads are like that , have we stopped requirements for thread making on ATS?

As to the theory, it some nds bogus....I think it's nothing more than Trump brovado and the gov bloodlust to oust Assad ....because nation but doing and killing off leaders has gone OH so well for us....

... and yet we still see in thread after thread the absolute mummery that Trump apologists are going through trying to explain this to themselves ... it's a CIA plot; it's a plot by General Matthis; someone, somewhere, ANYWHERE did this ...

... not Mr. Trump.

I've never seen anything like this Cult of Personality, and I've lived through Reagan, Clinton and Obama.

So let's make sure to read and discuss tweets that fit our agenda, right? So he decided after seeing dead children to use a show of force. Good. The world should be on notice.

Anyone want to talk about the BIllions we spent with the CIA and then the US military trying to fight Assad and then ISIS? It all went nowhere. Hell, Russia wanted to bring him down in 2012 and the US said no. Then, during his re-election O told Russia he would have more flexibility in decisions, right? Russia goes along with it to siphon money from Syria for weapons and training. Why not? I would have done the same thing as a country. Then, you have money from Russia to Syria, the US to rebels as well as Iran that would fund Hezbollah that is the radical arm of Assad and you have chaos. All this in a country the size of Oklahoma. It is a Saudi/Iran proxy war and the US and Russia are just supplying arms...

I personally do not think he went far enough.

sheesh, MSNBC is still insane.

Here's the Pentagon's evidence Assad used chemical weapons

The Pentagon released a map Thursday that reportedly shows the flight pattern of a Syrian aircraft that dropped chemical weapons on civilians Tuesday.

The map was released hours after President Donald Trump ordered the U.S. military to fire 59 Tomahawk missiles at a northern Syrian airbase, in retaliation for Syrian President Bashar al-Assad’s attack.

"We have a very high level of confidence that the attacks were carried out by aircraft under the direction of the Bashar al-Assad regime, and we also have very high confidence that the attacks involved the use of sarin nerve gas," U.S. Secretary of State Rex Tillerson told reporters Thursday.

National Security Advisor H.R. McMaster similarly told reporters "our intelligence community in cooperation with our friends and partners and allies around the world collaborated to determine with a very high degree of confidence precisely where the location originated. And then, of course, the sorts of chemicals that were used in the attack."

Boris Johnson: ‘All evidence’ suggests Assad responsible for chemical attack

British Foreign Minister Boris Johnson on Wednesday blamed Syrian President Bashar al-Assad for a reported chemical attack that killed and wounded dozens of people.

“All the evidence I have … suggests that this was the Assad regime who did it in the full knowledge that they were using illegal weapons in a barbaric attack on their own people,” Johnson told reporters ahead of a conference on the future of Syria in Brussels.

Turkey Says Autopsies Of Syrian Victims Show Evidence Of Sarin Exposure

But Assad and his Russian allies deny responsibility for the newest attack. They maintain that the Syrian government has destroyed all its chemical weapons, as it agreed to do after that 2013 strike. Instead, they claim the strike was a conventional weapons strike that accidentally hit an arsenal of chemical weapons belonging to the rebels.

That explanation has been rejected as dubious by chemical weapons experts. One of them, Dan Kaszeta, spoke with NPR's Geoff Brumfiel and explained why:

"Kaszeta says ... nerve agents are unstable and are typically stored as two separate chemicals. With sarin, for example, one of those precursor chemicals is highly flammable isopropyl alcohol.

" 'You drop a bomb on it, the whole thing is going up in a huge fireball,' he says. Even if the nerve agent was pre-mixed, a bomb strike would fail to disperse it in a way that could cause mass casualties.

"Kaszeta says he thinks the most likely source of chemical was the Syrian regime. Sarin and other nerve agents are hard to make, and it's unlikely that rebel groups would have access to it. ... The Syrian regime is still believed to have experts who could make nerve agent from scratch."

i suspect they all keep their friends close and their enemies closer.

a reply to: matafuchs

So the dead children in 2013 weren't as important???

Please.

"Anyone want to talk about [INSERT DISTRACTION HERE] ..."

a reply to: BlueAjah

So, Assad is "responsible" according to your citations ... how does that prove that MSNBC is "insane" again?

I mean, I realize this is your belief, but ... the media is either telling the truth or its not.

Why does that make them "insane"? again?

a reply to: Gryphon66

I did not say that. A person is able to be critical. 4 years later and children are still dying and it sparked on of the largest exoduses of a country to me, and I guess to Trump, it time to act. I was trying to reference the fact that our country, no just O, has been funding both sides and hopefully that is coming to an end. It was not trying to distract...I was trying to show enough is enough. The belief was Assad would be ousted by now and it has not happened.

a reply to: Gryphon66

I understand, even I was fooled a little bit, and I don't vote... what that says about the propaganda machine is its more efficient than ever.

If they can fool me... then thats some good propaganda.

originally posted by: matafuchs
a reply to: Gryphon66

I did not say that. A person is able to be critical. 4 years later and children are still dying and it sparked on of the largest exoduses of a country to me, and I guess to Trump, it time to act. I was trying to reference the fact that our country, no just O, has been funding both sides and hopefully that is coming to an end. It was not trying to distract...I was trying to show enough is enough. The belief was Assad would be ousted by now and it has not happened.

No, you didn't say that, but that is the logical conclusion of what you did say.

Look, it's simple and indisputable: Trump completely reversed his position on attacking Syria. This position or promise was as much a part of why some people voted for him as the Muslim ban, the Great Wall or anything else.

Given the fact of the ineffectual performance of the Trump Administration thus far, such a blatant pivot SHOULD infuriate anyone who's been a Trump apologist ... but I see it hasn't in your case.

I admire your faithfulness, and I'm sorry it's so misplaced with Mr. Trump.

a reply to: intrptr

All politicians are liars; all those who want to be in government are politicians.

I have to keep repeating this to myself.

a reply to: Gryphon66

Is it wrong for someone to change their mind? Take Trump out of it. What if it was someone else in office? I did not vote for him on his stance on Syria a few years back. Personally I thought this would be the first place he would strike since other than NK.

originally posted by: matafuchs
a reply to: Gryphon66

Is it wrong for someone to change their mind? Take Trump out of it. What if it was someone else in office? I did not vote for him on his stance on Syria a few years back. Personally I thought this would be the first place he would strike since other than NK.

That's simple false equivalence ... and you know it. This isn't a case of "Hey, I want to go to the ice-cream store for chocolate, no vanilla, no Rocky Road!"

Matafuchs the man RAN ON NON-INTERFERENCE IN SYRIA. He condemned Obama for even considering it, and warned that Clinton would do it!

Come on! This isn't an unfair analysis of Trump's actions and you know it: HE REVERSED HIS LONG-STANDING CONSIDERED POSITION on the SPECIFIC INSTANCE INVOLVED.

a reply to: Gryphon66

I am making a valid point. I understand your train of thought. I do. However as the POTUS I feel it is a job of understanding and change. If not, then nothing will ever progress. I am thinking, and his thoughts have changed on a few things, is now as POTUS he has seen that there are reason he would 'want' to strike Assad at this point.

We have been against him since the beginning so it is not like Trump has switched sides. He has gone back to the side we should be on. Funding for FSA rebels and other ISIS affiliates has dried up because the old administration and CIA pipeline are gone as they should be.

Just because it is the ME we should not cast it aside. If this was a smal province it Europe and the leader was killing his own people would you not want a humanitarian and military effort? I would. Syria is broken and it is not just an airstrike or sanctions that are needed. Russia wanted regime changed and agreed but the US did not pull the trigger. Now, well, the red line is crossed and we will never go back.

Well just 20 minutes ago, US confirm that Russia was complicit with Syria in the gas attack and didn't do anything to stop it

Then this good too, Putin will not met with the secretary of state I wonder why, right after the newest allegation.

crap wrong thread..sorry

Via OP / If Trump was helped by Russian intel , then it wouldn't have been a case of 'collusion' so much as 'purchases' . What's potentially worrying though is , that , that Trump would owe money/favours _personally .

What big /clever / hard businessmen do , often , is to not pay for things . As in , as bold as brass , to take the services , and then not produce payments for them .

When the news is as above ^^ , the brinkmanship /insult trading is very full on. More full on than what might be necessary to properly obfuscate the truth . Perhaps , if such a 'way out there' theory was true , (aka collusion/purchases) then it's not such a big step to imagine Trump not needing to or feeling he has to, cough up the money for the intel , now he is Potus .