US launches Tomahawks on Syrian airbases

originally posted by: Indigo5

originally posted by: Matdog
You all are missing the fact that there is no evidence that this was Assad. He had no reason to be that stupid, knowing there would be ramifications. This is a false flag or a rebel attack.

It was Assad..

He is a sociopath...Chemical Weapons are cheap and he is tired of turning perfectly good buildings into rubble..Chemical weapons save billions in real-estate. It's like fumigating a house to him..He is a full on sociopath.

That makes ZERO sense. Gassing civilians doesn't eradicate rebels.

originally posted by: Vector99
a reply to: Indigo5

If we cease operations over this, then as bad as it is, good.

If we don't, we no longer have a guarantee of safe passage in Syrian airspace.

So, I'll clarify the bet. If we continue an air campaign in Syria following this event, I'll bet a US aircraft is shot down very soon.

I agree..

But we are not going to fly blind in airspace with Russian jets...Nor bomb without knowing if we are dropping it on Russian troops.

If we continue an air campaign that is outright war with Russia..not viet-nam proxy war, but direct engagement.

It's all or nothing and I am betting nothing...Putin gets Syria and Trump gets the twitter-brief PR win.

originally posted by: Indigo5
He is a sociopath...Chemical Weapons are cheap and he is tired of turning perfectly good buildings into rubble..Chemical weapons save billions in real-estate. It's like fumigating a house to him..He is a full on sociopath.

You can repeat that "he's a sociopath" all you like, it doesn't make it true. I've researched the guy quite extensively and have seen nothing to indicate he is anything but a well-educated doctor, who from all that I've seen, seems quite reasonable and certainly not dumb or cruel enough to use chemical weapons against his people.

Please stop regurgitating the establishment narrative of the guy and try doing your own research.

There are no good guys in the civil war in Syria. Both sides suck.


But perhaps this was an opportunity to illustrate to Iran and North Korea that the US won't just #### around any more. No more harsh language, no more BS double-speak from Washington.

Just *boom*


Not that I like or even want this. Hell, I'd be happy just to let the Middle East blow themselves up.

Just trying to look at this in a larger perspective than 59 Tomahawks on an airbase.

originally posted by: Navieko

originally posted by: Indigo5
He is a sociopath...Chemical Weapons are cheap and he is tired of turning perfectly good buildings into rubble..Chemical weapons save billions in real-estate. It's like fumigating a house to him..He is a full on sociopath.

You can repeat that "he's a sociopath" all you like, it doesn't make it true. I've researched the guy quite extensively and have seen nothing to indicate he is anything but a well-educated doctor, who from all that I've seen, seems quite reasonable and certainly not dumb or cruel enough to use chemical weapons against his people.

Please stop regurgitating the establishment narrative of the guy and try doing your own research.

Agreed. It's naive, dangerous, blind faith based on a fox narrative. Trump is pretty much a textbook sociopath however.

originally posted by: Vector99

originally posted by: Indigo5

originally posted by: Matdog
You all are missing the fact that there is no evidence that this was Assad. He had no reason to be that stupid, knowing there would be ramifications. This is a false flag or a rebel attack.

It was Assad..

He is a sociopath...Chemical Weapons are cheap and he is tired of turning perfectly good buildings into rubble..Chemical weapons save billions in real-estate. It's like fumigating a house to him..He is a full on sociopath.

That makes ZERO sense. Gassing civilians doesn't eradicate rebels.

It eradicates everyone..
Rebels..terrorists...Or just people and families that don't support him politically.
It is super-cheap in comparison to conventional weapons.
It requires no troops.
It preserves buildings and that is Billions and trillions...Have you seen the pics of bombed Syrian cities? It will be trillions and decades to rebuild.

I will post another thing below for a look at Assad's thinking..

a reply to: Navieko

well Mengele was a doctor too...

a reply to: KiwiNite

Reductio Ad Hitlerum

Exactly what the NATO propaganda did with Milosevic in Yougoslavia until he died in custody and was ten years after exonerated by the ICTY ... why do you want history to repeat ?

a reply to: Joneselius

Seriously?
Please note that Trump did not watch TV, pick up the phone, and order a bombing.
People keep implying that.

This was based on intelligence and days of meetings and discussions over all of the options.
Joint Chiefs of Staff, military, intelligence and others were all involved in evaluating the situation and coming up with a plan.
And then they took decisive action based on the evidence.
They know more than we know.

originally posted by: Navieko

originally posted by: Indigo5
He is a sociopath...Chemical Weapons are cheap and he is tired of turning perfectly good buildings into rubble..Chemical weapons save billions in real-estate. It's like fumigating a house to him..He is a full on sociopath.

You can repeat that "he's a sociopath" all you like, it doesn't make it true. I've researched the guy quite extensively and have seen nothing to indicate he is anything but a well-educated doctor.

Assad's secret police 2014

Children in government custody have reportedly been beaten with metal cables, whips and wooden and metal batons, and suffered electric shock, mock executions, cigarette burns, sleep deprivation and solitary confinement, and sexual violence, including rape and threats of rape, the report says.

Women and children 'tortured' in Syria’s prisons under Assad regime

news.sky.com...



Syrian children 'sexually abused and tortured' in government-run detention camps

www.mirror.co.uk...



A defector in 2013 provided thousands of photos, I don't have the heart to link to them.



Right before the war

"Syrian security is now releasing detainees with unhealed wounds caused by torture in order to spread panic and fear among people hoping it will reduce the numbers participating in demonstrations," said Wissam Tarif, Director of Insan, a leading Syrian human rights organisation, which has documented cases of torture.



Hundreds of disappearances



Across Syria a campaign of mass arrests since the uprising began in mid-March has seen more than 7,000 Syrians arbitrarily detained and thrown into prisons, according to a count by activists, contacting detainees' family and friends.



The detained include a wide cross section of society, mainly young men aged between 20 and 50, but including children and elderly, especially activists and those involved in protests or seen filming them, but also community leaders, imams and students.

www.aljazeera.com...



Assad sees horror as a tool for ruling.

He is a sociopath of the highest order.

Story summed up..

I love the way people are acting like they know Assad at all.

I do not believe a single thing in the media about ANYTHING, ever, at all.

Why do people think they know what's happening here, they don't! All we know is what we're told, and we're told it by people who have an agenda. You can choose to disbelieve that if you want but it makes no difference. We're all ignorant.

This is war, and war never changes.

One question that you NEED to ask yourself is "Why the ABSOLUTE HELL would Assad do this and invite international condemnation"? This makes no sense whatsoever and already the media are acting like this is concrete and the evidence isn't even THERE AGAIN!

The next narrative is to ridicule people who question this. This is utter, UTTER #.

I can't believe this is happening again!!!!! I'm speechless.

originally posted by: St Udio
...
then, also look at the damage inflicted... 6 MIGs in a service hangar, the runway intact... the out buildings nd 2nd tier storage buildings were hit, the Traffic Control Tower was spared....(the damage reminded me of the Coalition Attacks & bombing of ISIS held sand dunes)
...

The Syrian airfield targeted by United States airstrikes early Friday was “almost completely destroyed,” a human rights group in the country said.
...
The Britain-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said the missile attack damaged over a dozen hangars, a fuel depot and an air defense base.
...
"Initial indications are that this strike has severely damaged or destroyed Syrian aircraft and support infrastructure and equipment at Shayrat Airfield, reducing the Syrian government's ability to deliver chemical weapons," Captain Jeff Davis, a Pentagon spokesman, said, according to Reuters.

originally posted by: combatmaster
a reply to: DBCowboy

Finally... things get interesting!

Get out the popcorn!

At the expense of people's lives?? Can't say I share your enthusiasm....

a reply to: DBCowboy

With all of those images of dead children all over the place, and the Media scrutinizing Trump at every turn...he kind of had too didn't he? Once again, Trump is damned is he does, and damned if he doesn't. If he launches Missile's...he's a war monger, and the media will say NOTHING about him protecting women and children, but if he doesn't do anything at all...then they will say Trump hates women and children and wants them dead. Sounds like another false flag by the Liberal, ass kissing CIA to me.The only ones to benefit from such an attack is the American Government anyway. Assad was just re-gaining major areas back from ISIS, to launch such a foolish attack on "women and children" (let's face it, no one cares about men anymore) which would assure his political death..the same as Qaddafi, Hussein, and all of the other monsters that the American media warns us of. Looks like a pattern to me....and old, tired, pattern.

a reply to: DBCowboy

Good points..those other countries now know that President Trump is a leader who will do the right thing to protect innocents, when necessary. A very powerful message.

Now, we need one of the new CIA micro nano-mosquito drones to take-out Assad. Think of what message that will send to Kim Jung.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
There are no good guys in the civil war in Syria. Both sides suck.


But perhaps this was an opportunity to illustrate to Iran and North Korea and the US won't just #### around any more. No more harsh language, no more BS double-speak from Washington.

Just *boom*


Not that I like or even want this. Hell, I'd be happy just to let the Middle East blow themselves up.

Just trying to look at this in a larger perspective than 59 Tomahawks on an airbase.

I don't think Iran is moved by this strike.Zilch...
Syrian Army is currently fighting terrorists like ISIS and FSA (supported by US) and her infrastructure is destroyed. all US has done in the past decade was attacking super weak countries like Libya, Afghanistan, Yemen and now Syria...

According to Russians more than half of the Tomahawks failed to reach their target.

Also, ME was peaceful before 1970. no such mess before this time. weird no? leave ME alone and we'll see if it will blow itself up or not.

Its been 30 years and all we've heard from US is talk. I think Iran is the only country on earth that US has talked so much about attacking her and done zilch. please don't get your hopes up.

we're very much safe here in Iran and we've used our brains to achieve it. no one can do anything about

This moron going to kill us all...

originally posted by: BlueAjah
a reply to: Joneselius

Seriously?
Please note that Trump did not watch TV, pick up the phone, and order a bombing.
People keep implying that.

This was based on intelligence and days of meetings and discussions over all of the options.
Joint Chiefs of Staff, military, intelligence and others were all involved in evaluating the situation and coming up with a plan.
And then they took decisive action based on the evidence.
They know more than we know.

You can blindly trust you government like a sheep but after the lies and deception of the last few decades when it comes to law I want to see HARD PROOF and so do most people.

But you blindly trust your goverment baaaa baaaa baaaa.

a reply to: IlluminatiTechnician

I don't think we'll ever know the real story.


We'll just have to live with the repercussions.