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US launches Tomahawks on Syrian airbases
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a reply to: BlueAjah
You don't get more respected in the world by launching 50 missiles into another sovereign nation less than 48 hours after an incident and w out taking the time to do a proper investigation ...
Neither do you protect innocence by acting brash and possibly making a situation exponentially worse and further convoluting the battleground between others nations involved....
And if you think for one second that this makes the rest of the world respect the US you are delusional
You don't get more respected in the world by launching 50 missiles into another sovereign nation less than 48 hours after an incident and w out taking the time to do a proper investigation ...
Neither do you protect innocence by acting brash and possibly making a situation exponentially worse and further convoluting the battleground between others nations involved....
And if you think for one second that this makes the rest of the world respect the US you are delusional
originally posted by: jtma508
a reply to: burgerbuddy
Yea, his friends at Raytheon obviously needed a new pair of shoes.
Plus, Donald called Vlad ahead of time to make sure anything valuable was moved. So that was $88.5 million dollars to wreck some empty hangars and put a lot of holes in the ground. $88.5M or 29.5 weekends in Mara Lago.
And the runways were not destroyed if you can trust the Russian video.
originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: Vector99
He didn't kill anyone. He just bombed an obscure air force base. Something else is going on here.
Don't make a virtue of your own ignorance.
Killed were:
General Khalil Issa Ibrahim
Muhannad Hana
Lamak Hurani
Rabiq Alae Mohammed
Mohammed Asa'ad
Haydar Majed Mahmud
a reply to: BlueAjah
That's all well and good in theory, but the problem is the intelligence coming out of the intelligence community simply cannot be trusted. It should be trusted, in an ideal world, but unfortunately they have clearly proven the world over that they'll act in accordance to their best interests and their own agenda - and you'd be naive to believe they have any compassion for the lives lost/damaged in the process. They simply see (and actively create) opportunities with which they can use to further their agenda.
Just forget for a minute what the "intelligence" says - and ask yourself who stands to benefit from such an attack?
Do you honestly believe Assad is that stupid?
I was all for Trump and still think he's the better pick over Hillary - but if I'm honest, I'm downright disappointed that Trump seems to have so easily buckled under the establishment pressure to "prove" himself tough on this issue. He's allowed himself to be manipulated into a corner where he felt no other choice. And now like a good dog, he'll be praised by the same folks who have been going after his head - so that he'll feel all giddy about continuing to tow the line - like a good dog.
I hope I'm wrong - but from my point of view, that's what it certainly looks like.
That's all well and good in theory, but the problem is the intelligence coming out of the intelligence community simply cannot be trusted. It should be trusted, in an ideal world, but unfortunately they have clearly proven the world over that they'll act in accordance to their best interests and their own agenda - and you'd be naive to believe they have any compassion for the lives lost/damaged in the process. They simply see (and actively create) opportunities with which they can use to further their agenda.
Just forget for a minute what the "intelligence" says - and ask yourself who stands to benefit from such an attack?
Do you honestly believe Assad is that stupid?
I was all for Trump and still think he's the better pick over Hillary - but if I'm honest, I'm downright disappointed that Trump seems to have so easily buckled under the establishment pressure to "prove" himself tough on this issue. He's allowed himself to be manipulated into a corner where he felt no other choice. And now like a good dog, he'll be praised by the same folks who have been going after his head - so that he'll feel all giddy about continuing to tow the line - like a good dog.
I hope I'm wrong - but from my point of view, that's what it certainly looks like.
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70 Tomahawk missiles were fired. Only 27 got through.
S-300 and S-400 systems shot down the rest
S-300 and S-400 systems shot down the rest
originally posted by: Vector99
originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask
originally posted by: Vector99
a reply to: ManBehindTheMask
Trump effed up on this one for sure, but let's be realistic, Clinton was tweeting about doing exactly this. This situation literally would not be any different had she been elected, so don't pretend it would be.
I'm not concerned w what Hilary would have done , not a constant comparison w her....she's not the president
Your post implied it would be different had Trump not been the one elected.
Just pointing out it wouldn't.
*ETA - I'm definitely Trump bashing in this thread btw
I'm sorry if that's the way it came off, that was not my intent....
This whole thing is very concerning , and honestly as a country we're war weary, and I'm sick of seeing my fellow countrymen die on foreign soil for corporate/political interests....
We're spread so thin as a military force as it is....this isn't sustainable
I worry for our nation
edit on 4/7/2017 by ManBehindTheMask because: (no reason given)
originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask
a reply to: BlueAjah
And if you think for one second that this makes the rest of the world respect the US you are delusional
Israel, Turkey, and SA are thrilled...sigh what great allies we have.
a reply to: sy.gunson
Yes I just found out that people were killed, I am no longer ignorant. www.breitbart.com...
Sad state of affairs, when mothers have to morn their sons.
Yes I just found out that people were killed, I am no longer ignorant. www.breitbart.com...
Sad state of affairs, when mothers have to morn their sons.
a reply to: ManBehindTheMask
Let's hope this is a one off for Trump. ALL previous admins have been way too trigger happy in the ME, and usually based on false pretense.
I don't know if you saw this earlier in the thread, THIS is what really worries me
AKA Russia might start shooting at US jets, or provide Syria better air defense capability to do it on their own. If Russia has developed a working version of the S-500 then even stealth strikes won't be safe.
Trump definitely acted prematurely on this one, and I have no problem calling him a dumbass for it. An international investigation should have happened beforehand, and then I still wouldn't have approved, but wouldn't be nearly as critical of this one.
Let's hope this is a one off for Trump. ALL previous admins have been way too trigger happy in the ME, and usually based on false pretense.
I don't know if you saw this earlier in the thread, THIS is what really worries me
MOSCOW, April 7. /TASS/. Russia suspends the Memorandum on preventing incidents and ensuring flights safety during operations in Syria earlier signed with the United States in the wake of the US strike on the Syrian airbase, the Russian Foreign Ministry reported on Friday. "The Russian side suspends the memorandum on the prevention of incidents and on ensuring the safety of flights in the course of operations in Syria, concluded with the United States," the statement runs. "We urge the United Nations Security Council to meet in urgent session to discuss the current situation."
AKA Russia might start shooting at US jets, or provide Syria better air defense capability to do it on their own. If Russia has developed a working version of the S-500 then even stealth strikes won't be safe.
Trump definitely acted prematurely on this one, and I have no problem calling him a dumbass for it. An international investigation should have happened beforehand, and then I still wouldn't have approved, but wouldn't be nearly as critical of this one.
originally posted by: Vector99
originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask
a reply to: BlueAjah
And if you think for one second that this makes the rest of the world respect the US you are delusional
Israel, Turkey, and SA are thrilled...sigh what great allies we have.
I stand corrected , of that I'm sure you are 100 percent correct, don't forget China I'm sure they are loving the direction these missteps are taking us
F#cking hell, this is how we will get involved in yet ANOTHER war. Idiot bastards. Our government definitely doesn't give a sh#t about it's
people.
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originally posted by: sy.gunson
70 Tomahawk missiles were fired. Only 27 got through.
S-300 and S-400 systems shot down the rest
That is pure speculation. You also got the number of Tomahawks launched wrong. It was 59 TLAM. The Russian MOD would be quick off the mark to make such claims if their air defences were in action. Take what the Russian ministry of defence announces with a pinch of salt. It is designed to mislead and downplay. Put yourself in their shoes. Of course they are not going to admt that the vast majority of the TLAMs struck the airbase.
The strike was conducted using Tomahawk Land Attack Missiles (TLAMs) launched from the destroyers USS Porter and USS Ross in the Eastern Mediterranean Sea. A total of 59 TLAMs targeted aircraft, hardened aircraft shelters, petroleum and logistical storage, ammunition supply bunkers, air defense systems, and radars.
www.defense.gov...[e ditby]edit on 7/4/2017 by tommyjo because: spelling
I wanted Trump to win the Presidency and have been very pro Trump, but no good will come of this.
I can't believe he's gone from "keeping out of foreign affairs" and from starting to sow the seeds of friendship with Russia, to an about turn, blowing up targets on foreign soil, and making the Russia situation worse in one evening.
The last thing the world needs is another war.
I can't believe he's gone from "keeping out of foreign affairs" and from starting to sow the seeds of friendship with Russia, to an about turn, blowing up targets on foreign soil, and making the Russia situation worse in one evening.
The last thing the world needs is another war.
originally posted by: sy.gunson
70 Tomahawk missiles were fired. Only 27 got through.
S-300 and S-400 systems shot down the rest
Any proof of that? From what I've seen no S-300 or S-400 missiles were launched. Almost as if Putin knew this was a lesson that Assad needed to learn. Stop gassing you own citizens.
edit on 7/4/2017 by RexKramerPRT because: spelling
originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask
originally posted by: Vector99
originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask
a reply to: BlueAjah
And if you think for one second that this makes the rest of the world respect the US you are delusional
Israel, Turkey, and SA are thrilled...sigh what great allies we have.
I stand corrected , of that I'm sure you are 100 percent correct, don't forget China I'm sure they are loving the direction these missteps are taking us
China is actually staying rather neutral and calling for a diplomatic political response on all sides, though they are somewhat condemning the US actions.
link
I guess this totally destroys the "muh russia" narrative.
For months the media calls Trump a Russian agent who will let Putin run over US foreign interests... now he is a neocon for bombing an airbase connected to Russia's allies after he kept his word about The Red Line.
Make up your #ing mind people.
For months the media calls Trump a Russian agent who will let Putin run over US foreign interests... now he is a neocon for bombing an airbase connected to Russia's allies after he kept his word about The Red Line.
Make up your #ing mind people.
a reply to: sy.gunson
Also notice that the Russian Ministry of Defence drone footage focuses on the aircraft out in the open next to the runways and taxiways? Those are defunct, retired aircraft, target decoys that have been there for years. For example older variants of the Fitter family Su-7/17/20s. There is also a MiG-15 or 17. The US planners have left them intact. The Russian military know that but the footage will be shown and people will be making a fuss over "missed aircraft".
These are old defunct Syrian Air Force types that have been there for years. MiG-15 or 17 and retired older variants of the Fitter. Non-swing wing Su-7 Fitters. They are used for decoys and training aids.
Also notice that the Russian Ministry of Defence drone footage focuses on the aircraft out in the open next to the runways and taxiways? Those are defunct, retired aircraft, target decoys that have been there for years. For example older variants of the Fitter family Su-7/17/20s. There is also a MiG-15 or 17. The US planners have left them intact. The Russian military know that but the footage will be shown and people will be making a fuss over "missed aircraft".
edit on 7/4/2017 by tommyjo because: additional info added
These are old defunct Syrian Air Force types that have been there for years. MiG-15 or 17 and retired older variants of the Fitter. Non-swing wing Su-7 Fitters. They are used for decoys and training aids.
edit on 7/4/2017 by tommyjo because: additional info added