Operation Vigilant Guard: Connect the Dots in Georgia

a reply to: FissionSurplus

They might only be about 30 years old, but they were already on the critical list. Not structurally deficient, but critical.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: FissionSurplus

They might only be about 30 years old, but they were already on the critical list. Not structurally deficient, but critical.

I would like to see the link to the list of critical bridges, if you don't mind. I would appreciate it.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: FissionSurplus

HDPE has an HB flammability rating. That's the least flame retardant. Once it's burning, unless it's over a certain thickness, it's going to keep burning. If they started a fire under the overpass, and the other materials under there ignited, and there was quite a bit under there, then eventually the HDPE was going to ignite.

Thats a hell of a smart homeless guy to light a giant fire under a bridge with material in the bridge that can burn and apparently bring down the bridge in a concise and precise manner.

a reply to: FissionSurplus

I'll have to find it again.

a reply to: CreationBro

The materials had been under the bridge for years. They were stored there along with other construction materials. He didn't "light a giant fire", he lit a fire and it spread and ignited the construction materials.

I guess all those truck fires in recent years are suspicious too, because most of those collapsed nicely too.

a reply to: Zaphod58

Not necessarily, I recognize that the design of a lot of infrastructure can result in symmetric collapse.

I also recognize that mindless homeless people arent always "mindless" and/or "homeless".

a reply to: FissionSurplus

My biggest questions are these:

First, they spent all evening on Thursday telling us the smoke wasn't toxic. By the a.m., it was. When they were totally FOS telling me the smoke wasn't toxic - before they even knew what was burning - I knew I was being asked to swallow some wholesale propaganda. I started questioning everything.

Second, the fast pace from start to collapse. 1 hour.

Third, FBI very quick to say not terror - like while the thing was still in flames.

Fourth, there are GDOT surveillance cameras as far as the eye can see on ATL interstates - where is the footage? Also footage from the businesses in the area?

a reply to: Zaphod58

There was a giant 18 wheel tanker truck car-b-que on Spaghetti Junction a few years back, nothing collapsed.

Also, AFD station two blocks from site and were on scene immediately Thursday. How did get so insane so quickly?

originally posted by: FissionSurplus

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: FissionSurplus

They might only be about 30 years old, but they were already on the critical list. Not structurally deficient, but critical.

I would like to see the link to the list of critical bridges, if you don't mind. I would appreciate it.

Go look for your self. I didn't see it on the list.


www.google.com...

a reply to: kosmicjack

I have to agree with you. I have an issue with the collapse of the bridge in under 50 minutes, and the quickness with which the police said it wasn't a terrorist act without knowing anything. Also, I did wonder about the fire department. People who were there stated they saw police standing around, but the fire dept. was very slow to react.

Often I find that, when things seem 'off', they ARE.....and there's been so much that's been off in the past 15 years.

a reply to: Groot

I have looked and it is not listed on any critical list. Zaphod made the statement, the onus is on him to prove it. Your snarkiness is not appreciated.

a reply to: FissionSurplus

I posted the road status as quoted from an investigative reporter on WSB Thursday, while it was burning. It was supposedly a national survey.

Zaph, I have the utmost respect for you as both a poster and a moderator. While I have not posted much, I have been a reader of ATS for nearly a decade. When I see you post, I give it thought. I take what you write seriously.

However, in this thread, you appear to be grasping at straws. Your responses read as almost desperation.

There was a fire, it caused a portion of a major freeway that was and is important to traffic flow to come to a complete stoppage, and now there are "drills" happening in the surrounding area at the same time. These similar drills coincided with horrific events in our history that can be described as "false flags".


Truth be told, I will take your honest response into consideration. You owe me nothing, but I am honestly curious.

*Snipped poor manners; suggesting a fellow member is a "shill", as per T and C.

a reply to: kosmicjack
Thank you!

a reply to: FissionSurplus
Im surprised no one has shown you this: Red Mercury
I am heavily of the opinion that it is a myth, especially with mention of Die Glocke involved.

So then we're left with, why send a foreign man with fake hazardous material into a nuclear facility? The fact that it is the lesser story implies that something went wrong here. Perhaps they wanted to add realism to the test and actually sent a man who truly believed he had dangerous material to attack a random building and see how long the response takes?

That would be assuming the bridge was covering it up. But its also possible the bridge collapsed 'ahead of schedule' and the mercury incident was the coverup. Either way, waters muddied.

Since we're connecting the dots.. let's not forget that Sean Spicer has not confirmed what attack on Atlanta he was referring to back in Feb.

ATS

It simply disappeared and never resurfaced. I'm not saying I85 collapsing was the attack, but it's obvious something is at play.

a reply to: kosmicjack

Once the HDPE materials went up they fueled the fire fast.

That fire didn't have extra materials making it worse. I've seen truck fires that melted some bridges, and truck fires that barely damaged them and they were open the next day.

a reply to: Thejaybird

I'm not desperate at all. If that's what you think, fine. Fires cause bridges to collapse. I've had to detour 40+ miles because a simple truck fire that didn't seem bad caused a chunk of interstate to fall.

Yes there was a drill. There's ALWAYS a drill. The military drills every day. The only time they don't is when they're out of money for the year. And sometimes those drills are similar to something that happens. Because someone, in the planning office looked at a possible event and decided they have to prepare for it.

But you guys go right on believing everything is an attack, and something is going on because a guy somewhere said the sun would rise tomorrow.

originally posted by: Shangralah

originally posted by: SpeakerofTruth
So, burning trash under a bridge caused it to collapse? Bull#. I don't buy this # at all. Not even a little. Is the damned bridge made out of wood?

Yeah how many car fires on big bridges have burned the bridge down? Ive seen huge semi fires on bridges and the next day the bridge was still there and traffic driving as per usual.

Something stinks for sure.

On a bridge is quite different than under a bridge. And cars don't carry as much fuel as this.

a reply to: FissionSurplus

Well, yeah, it sucks. And while having an NPC show up at a local government agency with an in-drill challenge is within the bounds of reason for a NORTHCOM exercise, dropping a bridge on an in-use major traffic artery is sort of beyond the pale.

Grant you, in training exercises we generally built a reasonable facsimile and blew IT up, but on base. In fact, it's the charlie version of the delta's goat busting exercise. You blow the previous guy's bridge, build another one, and run something heavy over it. Since you're driving the load, you are incentivized to get it right the first time.