Two activists who filmed undercover videos of Planned Parenthood charged with 15 felonies

a reply to: dawnstar

Yes. However those are two separate civil cases which I would think would be criminal if they used them to commit a crime. It is also not even Planned Parenthood involved in the case but the NAF. Very odd.

Now, where they will be screwed, is if they went as far as filing with the IRS and that is just stupidity. I am all for a journalist or investigative reporter using a pseudonym for research but these folks went pretty far into creating some craziness.

a reply to: matafuchs
same operation though, they used the NAF conventions to create connections and credibility. they have videos of those NAF convention meetings also, of which one or two made it out to the public, but the court has ordered them not to release anymore.

originally posted by: Bone75
a reply to: Krazysh0t

So you're happy that two people who didn't hurt anyone are going to jail for exposing a bunch of people that kill babies and scrap them for parts?

Yeah whatever floats your boat bud. You people are twisted.

I get this, but, I'm a little confused now...
Wasn't the Truth enough? Why did he have to edit the videos? And even his "unedited clips" were edited?

Why not just release the raw footage as is, if the info is damning enough as it is, just by itself, the plain, simple truth?

He only hurt The Cause by doing this.

Why? Why do that? Why edit them in a way that obviously, intentionally, purposely distorts truth??


This is like those parents who have their child claim to have visited heaven, hell, Jesus, etc, nd go on talk shows, sell books, made for tv movie, etc, and then the kid grows up and admits it was all made up...

Now, I still believe Jesus is real, and those stories never influenced my personal faith one way or another. But a lot of people might feel really let down when they hear about this sort of thing...

Just like a lot of people will feel let down about this PP undercover stuff... The next time something similar comes up, they will be a little more cautious, a little more reluctant to throw their support in behind a good cause, as they should be.

But a certain percentage will be too cautious, afraid of being made a fool of again, and they will stay out of it, and so because of this type of thing (fraud), good causes are losing supporters, which means, when it really comes down to it... WE... are losing supporters. Thanks to this man and his actions. I don't know how else to look at it.

Yeah, people are saying about the filmmakers "thats what you get for going against the state" or "...for trying to prevent the slaughter of babies" Well, I'm not 100% convinced that's what he was trying to do... Not 100% convinced.

I'm not sure what his ultimate goal is/was. It's a little difficult to imagine his aim was to go to prison with multiple felonies on his record, potentially get raped, killed or otherwise injured in prison...but, obviously getting the Truth out wasn't a motive either...so...?

Why edit the videos in a way that will be obvious and obviously will get you caught? Did he want to get caught?

Is he just stupid? (Probably, this is the only thing that makes sense... He thought it would work, and he would take down the evil sinful organization using lies [he thought to "fight fire with fire!"])


This editing should not be necessary. Evil and filth speak for themselves just fine. No need to add to it. You find it, just expose it. No need to add onto it. Unless, what you found was not really very bad, then that's the only reason I can think of how it would make sense for someone to have to "make it look worse than it is."

So What exactly did he Claim PP is doing? Buying and/or selling the remains from the fetuses they abort? For "science" or something (food ingredient?)

And what are they Actually doing? They are not doing what he said? Buying/selling the remains of fetuses?

How do the two compare?

The OP is clearly trolling and not looking for a conversation or debate of the subject here.

He's earned his $3.50 and then some.

Anyone paying attention to this knows what is going on and the facts speak for themselves - some people are okay with abortions and using the dead children's body parts to make money. Others are not. Talk about context all you want, and the fact is this practice may be legal but it doesn't make it okay.

I'm agnostic and the loving father or 2 amazing children. Once you understand the amazing gift a child's life is you can never look back and think any kind of abortion is okay... it's just not.

a reply to: Charliezin82

there have been too many investigations looking into the accusations that these videos made that turned up nothing in the end. the closest they came was some questionable practices by stem express... not planned parenthood.

Once you understand the amazing gift a child's life is you can never look back and think any kind of abortion is okay... it's just not.

I've raised three little bundles of joy into adulthood, I watched the pain flood my grandmother at the death of my father and became quite aware that there is no loss greater that watching the death of your own child...

but, that is a pretty far jump that you made there to say that since your own child have been such a blessing within your own life, that for another abortion could never be the best option in their pregnancy... sometimes it is....
all you have to do to see this is look at the creator of all of us and the number of abortions he has arranged on his own.. we call it miscarriage.. mommy nature deciding that the newly created life form is just too imperfect and wiping it out of existence before it has a chance to live.

originally posted by: 3n19m470

So What exactly did he Claim PP is doing?

Wholesaling baby parts to baby part retailers such as Stem Express.

And what are they Actually doing?

Wholesaling baby parts to baby part retailers such as Stem Express.

a reply to: Bone75

like I said there were alot of investigations, none found that planned parenthood was making much in profit..
stem express I think did...
so where's the cries out of the gov't to shut down companies like stem express?

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: Bone75

like I said there were alot of investigations, none found that planned parenthood was making much in profit..

Not making much? They're a non-profit organization that isn't supposed to be making anything. They're charging about 100 bucks a pop to keep a bag of dead baby parts in their cooler until the Stem Express dead baby transporters come to pick them up.

They're making a killing... pardon the pun.

stem express I think did...
so where's the cries out of the gov't to shut down companies like stem express?

Stem Express should be shut down and everyone who works for them should be locked up... as myself and many others have stated numerous times on these boards and in the media.

Unfortunately, too big to fail government affiliated corporations have sweeping sh!t under the rug down to a science.

originally posted by: Oldtimer2
a reply to: SprocketUK
For exposing government funded programs selling body parts,what kind of SOB are you,must be a ,your kind make me ill

well, as you Yanks say, I could care less.

I got no time for people who think they can force women to carry babies they really don't feel able to.

a reply to: SprocketUK

they're not anymore gov't funded than any other doctor or hospital that gets reimbursed for providing care for medicaid and title x patients..

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: SprocketUK

they're not anymore gov't funded than any other doctor or hospital that gets reimbursed for providing care for medicaid and title x patients..

Well, even if they were fully govt funded, I still think its a vital service that would cause a huge amount of hurt if it wss halted.

a reply to: SprocketUK

my concern is, well, like I said, they aren't anymore gov't funded than any other medical provider or hospital...
what they are doing is accepting medicaid and title x patients, and from laws that I've seen, since they can't just single out planned parenthood...
they are targeting any medical provider or hospital that performs or promotes abortion...
that means any ob/gyn that might, for whatever reason suggests that an abortion is the best alternative would no longer be able to accept medicaid.. and, suddenly the medicaid patients who are relying on their local hospital or doctor for whatever health problems lose more and more options.. when it's already difficult to find medical providers that will accept medicaid.
the catholic hospitals are already holding a monopoly in some areas of the country, this would only increase that trend since hey, catholic hospitals would risk you life before they would recommend an abortion.

a reply to: dawnstar

Yeah. It's almost as if they want to see a rise in death and disfigurement due to a rise in back street practitioners.

What is the difference between killing a 1 month old child that was born and a 26 week child in the womb? TIME. Only one of them is legal.

a reply to: Charliezin82

I'll bet you also support the death penalty, are pro-war, pro-republican reduction in social services that feed/cloth needy children. I can smell the hypocrisy through my monitor.

originally posted by: fredrodgers1960
What is the difference between killing a 1 month old child that was born and a 26 week child in the womb? TIME. Only one of them is legal.

One is a living, breathing, independent human being, the other exists within a human being and its continued existence may harm her and tjose around her.

a reply to: SprocketUK

You silly goose, you just don't get it do you? To these people, as soon as the sperm and egg exist in the same body, the woman's life is forfeit on all accounts. Most of these folk would gleefully lock women up for miscarriages. You can't argue with small mindedness and irrational hatred of women. Social progression will continue its upward trend, and these people may wail and gnash their teeth, but they're going to be drug kicking and screaming into the future whether they like it or not.

originally posted by: Wayfarer
a reply to: Charliezin82

I'll bet you also support the death penalty, are pro-war, pro-republican reduction in social services that feed/cloth needy children. I can smell the hypocrisy through my monitor.

Let's take these one at a time since you seem to love to try to group them all together with the murder of a completely innocent child who has yet to even see the planet earth, let alone make a conscious decision to hurt a fellow human being before being terminated.

Death penalty. Yes, if the person has killed another human being with malicious intent and without any provocation. Like killing an innocent child who couldn't fight back. See above.

Pro-war. This depends on the circumstances, so my answer is maybe, each individual threat needs to be evaluated. Example, WWII. Yes. Hitler and his band of merry followers wanted to eradicate an entire species and take over the world. Civil war. YES. Slavery was a huge blemish on America and needed to be eradicated at all costs. Vietnam. No, but I still support the brave men and women who served and died, they were following orders, Nixon was an idiot. Korea, that one is tough for me, I personally think that we stopped way too short and should have finished the job, we may not be sitting here waiting for North Korea to nuke somebody, plus think about the millions of people who are suffering under that brutal regime. Gulf war, no. I think that was a huge wasted effort and all of the brave men and women who died, in my opinion, ended up dying for nothing, plus all of the wounded warriors that are still suffering from the consequences of that wasted effort, once we pulled out, most of what we accomplished was lost. Pulling out was a huge mistake, we started an effort that we didn't finish, telling the enemy when you plan to leave the battlefield is a completely asinine way to think on a battlefield.

"pro-republican reduction in social services that feed/cloth needy children". I really love the way you worded that, hence why I quoted this one. I want people that can work to do so. If they are working and still not able to put proper food on the table for themselves and the kids, help them. If they are trying to be a good member of our society and can't quite make it, yep, help them. If not employed, are they actively trying to find employment? Yes? Help them. Are they disabled and simply can't work or sustain themselves? Yes, help them. Are they just sitting on their a$$ expecting a continuous stream of cash to head their way and are not contributing to society and just expect all of us to fund their life? Yeah, not happening. Get a damn job and contribute to our society in a positive way.

I hope that clears things up for you.

originally posted by: Wayfarer
a reply to: SprocketUK

You silly goose, you just don't get it do you? To these people, as soon as the sperm and egg exist in the same body, the woman's life is forfeit on all accounts. Most of these folk would gleefully lock women up for miscarriages. You can't argue with small mindedness and irrational hatred of women. Social progression will continue its upward trend, and these people may wail and gnash their teeth, but they're going to be drug kicking and screaming into the future whether they like it or not.

I think I was five the last time I was called a silly goose, so thanks for the smile

originally posted by: Wayfarer
a reply to: SprocketUK

You silly goose, you just don't get it do you? To these people, as soon as the sperm and egg exist in the same body, the woman's life is forfeit on all accounts. Most of these folk would gleefully lock women up for miscarriages. You can't argue with small mindedness and irrational hatred of women. Social progression will continue its upward trend, and these people may wail and gnash their teeth, but they're going to be drug kicking and screaming into the future whether they like it or not.

Dear lord almighty, seriously?

The woman's life takes precedence in all matters. If the baby is going to harm the mother, then the mothers life is the one that gets saved. PERIOD. Putting women in jail for miscarriages? Where the hell do you get this crap? My wife had 7 of them, losing those babies was some of the hardest times of our lives. Hatred of women? Seriously? Again, where does this crap come from other than your mind?

So let me understand the future you are painting for us. We can expect a future where innocent babies are killed at will, with absolutely no regard for who the baby is? You want the ability to kill them after being born, because they might be cramping your lifestyle?

Tell me where that line will be drawn please.

That's a future that scares the hell out of me.