Muslim Womens Solidarity at Westminster

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Oh believe me I'm well aware of the Muslims in Africa....being from Africa. How many times you visited Africa then? You aware obviously of how Islam arrived in Africa in the first place and how the African blacks are despised by Muslims?
Not sure what that has to do with anything but hey ho

a reply to: Martin75

There is no such thing as a moderate Muslim really, Muslims are Muslims or not Muslims, however, it is down to interpretation of their religion that makes the difference. These women felt it necessary to do something, however small, because they too live in fear just like the rest of us

a reply to: PhyllidaDavenport

If you are alluding to Muslims conquering Africa, then I just merely need to direct you back to the Crusades and the Christian purges of Natives in the Americas.

I really tire of Christians pretending like their religion is somehow more noble than the Islam religion. All religions are awful, controlling cults that restrict rights and have a tendency to enforce their beliefs by the sword. HOWEVER all religions are also capable of being worshiped in peace without bothering anyone. Yet Christians again pretend like this can't be true of Muslims. Then when it is pointed out that they CAN act like this, you get the haters coming up with excuses on why this is the case.

I S&Fed your thread originally because I thought you were rising above that ugly ignorance, but now I'm not so sure.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

I am not pretending any religion is better or worse than any other. I'm not a religious person. But it cannot be denied that Muslims are the terrorists of this century...to do so would be ridiculous. It is because of this very fact that many muslims particularly Shia are scared. One of the reasons I made this thread was I had coffee today with a friend who works in my local post office. We do it quite often. She told me she had never suffered any racism in the UK...until the last couple of years. She said she felt like wearing a badge proclaiming how she hated ISIS. She told me friends & family were worried but that they would never speak out unless forced to by law. I was a bit cross at this statement to be fair but she tried to explain that it wasn't because they agreed with all the killings and violence but because the community would ostracise anyone who did speak out. They believe these things should be sorted quietly within the community.

This is what happens when we accommodate another culture and bend to them, instead of insisting on full integration. We end up with communities of silence

a reply to: PhyllidaDavenport

But it cannot be denied that Muslims are the terrorists of this century

Sure it can. Watch me. Muslims aren't the terrorists of this century because that isn't a thing. Terrorism is a new concept in international politics. Before that it was called Guerilla Warfare and even the US used the tactics in the Revolutionary War. But we didn't call the Viet Cong terrorists either. On TOP of that, it has been proven that most terrorist attacks within the country and in Europe are committed by non-Mulims. Hell I even wrote a thread about it: www.abovetopsecret.com...

So you are wrong there. Muslims AREN'T the terrorists of the century. The media just paints them as such.

This is what happens when we accommodate another culture and bend to them, instead of insisting on full integration. We end up with communities of silence

So you'd rather we infringe on their rights then?

a reply to: Krazysh0t

and what rights would we be infringing on exactly?

a reply to: PhyllidaDavenport

Right to religious expression for one. Right to privacy would be another.

a reply to: PhyllidaDavenport

Taqiya

a reply to: DrStevenBrule

How are we or the people of the west denying Muslims the right to Taqiya?

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: PhyllidaDavenport
a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Isn't public relations what's needed? They certainly think so
Its gonna take Saatchi & Saatchi to put right the damage done to Islam!

Perhaps it is needed. But it doesn't stop terrorism. Tossing their hijabs on the ground would be a more fitting statement.

So, you are an advocate of telling women what to wear? How very patriarchal!

a reply to: Krazysh0t

They have those rights
Their rights haven't been infringed
This post is not about rights its about the women who felt it necessary to show solidarity in London after what I percieve to be a minor incident (but that's not a popular opinion I know) out of fear of reprisals

We want all muslims to stand up and decry terrorism, protest en masse, purge the extremists from their mosques, hand them over to the police etc yet collectively we won't do anything about a parliament full of paedos, thieves, war profiteers and other assorted scum that have been f****ing us all over for decades.

a reply to: PhyllidaDavenport

I am not sure what you mean?

I don't think anyone in the West is denying Muslims anything.

I think demonstrations like this are a farce and are an example of taqiya in action.

a reply to: DrStevenBrule

ahhh sorry...at cross purposes I thought you were stating we are denying them the ability to use taqiya.....which is in truth only the practice of denying one's religion if in fear of your life by the way

a reply to: PhyllidaDavenport

I know this, and it is great these women did this. Not that they had to, or really even SHOULD have. It is disgusting that they even felt like this needed to be done (not for them but because the bigotry surrounding Islam forces their hands).

I was remarking about you claiming that we should force Muslims to fully integrate into society when we don't do that with literally any other demographic religious, social, or economic. I was saying that forcing them to act western would violate their rights.

Me, I know ALL about Muslims. I work with them. I'm friends with them. And I know that literally ANYTHING said about them in the media (outside of factual reporting) is a lie or exaggeration. The muslim religion isn't dripping with terrorists. You are wrong and they aren't the leading cause of terrorism either (at least in the west). And the majority just want to live their lives just like the rest of us.

originally posted by: DrStevenBrule
a reply to: PhyllidaDavenport

I am not sure what you mean?

I don't think anyone in the West is denying Muslims anything.

I think demonstrations like this are a farce and are an example of taqiya in action.

I wonder. Have you ever met a Muslim?

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Daily.

a reply to: DrStevenBrule

How many of them have threatened to blow you up or even just hate you because you aren't a Muslim?

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Ahh you know ALL yup you know, you know......so nothing else to be said then is there? but of course I will

There are few other immigrant groups that NEED forcing to integrate. They shouldn't be forced to act western, they emigrated because, allegedly, they WANTED to be western otherwise why bloody emigrate to the West when they could move to another ME country?
Most people emigrate because they want a better life, hate the place they currently live and want to integrate into a new society/culture, most people don't emigrate to a country whose people they despise, whose ideology they hate and whose culture they find obnoxious and then form "communities" which are little more than towns within towns with everything they would find in their ex-home country (except the stonings and beheadings obviously). Look I could argue black is white with you but you have your opinions I have mine. Go see how welcome you are in Dearborn Marseille Bradford or Oldham then get back to me

originally posted by: PhyllidaDavenport
a reply to: Krazysh0t

There are few other immigrant groups that NEED forcing to integrate. They shouldn't be forced to act western, they emigrated because, allegedly, they WANTED to be western otherwise why bloody emigrate to the West when they could move to another ME country?

There are zero groups that need to be forced to integrate. That includes Muslims.

Most people emigrate because they want a better life, hate the place they currently live and want to integrate into a new society/culture, most people don't emigrate to a country whose people they despise, whose ideology they hate and whose culture they find obnoxious and then form "communities" which are little more than towns within towns with everything they would find in their ex-home country (except the stonings and beheadings obviously).

Considering that most terrorists (as you also pointed out earlier in the thread) are citizens that are radicalized at their mosques, your reasoning here is hollow and partisan tinged. The ones immigrating to the West DON'T hate our values and the data bares that out. Try to keep your story straight, ma'am.

Look I could argue black is white with you but you have your opinions I have mine. Go see how welcome you are in Dearborn Marseille Bradford or Oldham then get back to me

I imagine I'd be as welcome as I would in any other ghetto where I didn't fit in. I don't walk down the mean streets of East Baltimore because I'm white. That doesn't mean I think that all blacks are ghetto gang bangers who need to be forced to live like white people.