Marijuana legalization in Canada

a reply to: tothetenthpower

I wasn't aware that the withdrawal symptoms of opiates like percocet was different than full blown heroin.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Heroin addicts steal your # man.

At least the meth heads help you look for it afterwards.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: bobs_uruncle
options until only a single option is left.

Impossible.

Never say impossible lol. "If an elderly but distinguished scientist says that something is possible, he is almost certainly right; but if he says that it is impossible, he is very probably wrong." - Arthur C. Clarke (Third law I believe)

Cheers - Dave

a reply to: bobs_uruncle

Yes, it is impossible for a government to exhaust its available options. A government may be paralyzed into fear, but at no time will there just be a singular choice of action to undertake. The universe isn't that simple.

originally posted by: tothetenthpower

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: tothetenthpower
a reply to: MacK80
And nobody ever went from smoking pot to doing heroin just because they smoked pot lol

But research is showing that the opposite DOES happen.

I've recently been involved in trying to graph a strain that helps deal with the symptoms of withdrawal in users of both prescription 'heroin' and the street version.

Not too much luck so far, but it's getting there. So I agree, we need to see more research put into this for sure.

~Tenth

Right on. That's an area that really needs more official exploration. I'd think a good place to look would be high CBD Indica edibles.

From what I've heard Sativa's and hybrids can almost make opiate withdrawal worse a lot of times. Canada is poised to take the lead in this type of research if they fully legalize first.

I wonder if there are any laws against research in Canada like there are in the U.S.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: tothetenthpower

I wasn't aware that the withdrawal symptoms of opiates like percocet was different than full blown heroin.

It's different degrees of how it affects you. That's why it's so hard to do this really.

And yes it can be different, cause the street heroin is cut with so much garbage and what not you end up with side effects related to just that.

Opiates at least, you know what you're getting and what you expect to have for withdrawal symptoms.

~Tenth

originally posted by: tothetenthpower
And yes it can be different, cause the street heroin is cut with so much garbage and what not you end up with side effects related to just that.

That makes sense. I didn't think about that.

Opiates at least, you know what you're getting and what you expect to have for withdrawal symptoms.

~Tenth

Yeah, say what you want about the pharmaceutical companies pushing this # on people, at least they are required to adhere to certain manufacturing standards. As someone who works for a pharmaceutical manufacturing company, I can say that they are QUITE rigid. Cross contamination of products is a HUGE deal to inspectors.

So while the evil drug company is pushing poison on people, at least it is consistently the same poison. Can't say the same for street stuff that is quite often cut with nonsense powders.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Can't say the same for street stuff that is quite often cut with nonsense powders.

Yeah injecting variations of baking soda, and baby powder for 5 years is gonna have some un-intended consequences lol

~Tenth

They can legalize it all they want. Stuff makes me apprehensive. Racing heart. You're thinking "Is my heart going to explode"?


Maybe it has another effect on people that makes it fun for them. Apparently it makes other people apprehensive too. I'll never forget riding around with friends in college traveling from one party to the next. "Oh, its the cops" And the police weren't even there.

Last group I ran into that had it, they were so paranoid about non-smokers. "It must be a narc". Even if you could care less about their joint use.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: bobs_uruncle

Yes, it is impossible for a government to exhaust its available options. A government may be paralyzed into fear, but at no time will there just be a singular choice of action to undertake. The universe isn't that simple.

If a government pisses off their citizens enough, it generally ends in revolution and there are no options. Once revolution has begun, it's a rather hard thing to stop. As an example, look at the french revolution from a historical perspective. So, is it possible to have no options left? There is a high probability. We as a collective in Canada have not achieved this tipping point, yet. However, I believe it's coming if the government continues to squander our resources, give away our value and suppress the value of the dollar. I heard the other day, a normal no-particular-brand cheap loaf of bread in Toronto is $4.75, if it goes much higher, we are approaching the tipping point. If prices double from now, well, I expect the government's done.

Cheers - Dave

originally posted by: Miracula2
They can legalize it all they want. Stuff makes me apprehensive. Racing heart. You're thinking "Is my heart going to explode"?


Maybe it has another effect on people that makes it fun for them. Apparently it makes other people apprehensive too. I'll never forget riding around with friends in college traveling from one party to the next. "Oh, its the cops" And the police weren't even there.

Last group I ran into that had it, they were so paranoid about non-smokers. "It must be a narc". Even if you could care less about their joint use.

That's a psychological effect that has been mostly proven to do with the status of the drug, and not the drug itself.

So for example, people become paranoid because they are doing something 'illegal' that they 'aren't supposed to do'.

OH THE MORALS!

But it does also effect different people in different ways. I grow Cannabis for a verity of different ailments from cancer to glaucoma, anxiety, hypersensitiveness, depression, mania etc.

There's a whole gambit of different kinds of Cannabis that can give you either great relief, or give you a bad time depending on how you react. This is the primary reason for legalisation. To ensure safe consumption of Cannabis among licensed and reputable businesses.

Remove the stigma by creating a legal avenue and suddenly a whole bunch of problems go away.

~Tenth

a reply to: Macenroe82

Recreational Tax provides an insane amount of money for schools here in CO.

That money isn't generated at all from medical.

Think of the kids.

Educate them, then they wont be burn outs like the rest of us.... or if they are, they KNOW THE FACTS!

a reply to: bobs_uruncle

Your country isn't even close to a revolution.

a reply to: Macenroe82

Sucks. Production and distribution will be in the hands of big business. Already the industry is being offshored to Bolivia. An ex RCMP commissionaire is in charge of the whole show.

Justin should be ashamed of himself, he will be the death of the middle class in Canada.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

There not.
H withdraw comes on in 8-12 hours or so once your a daily user.
The symptoms immediately go to intestinal cramping,restless leg syndrome - or what I liked to call "The Jimmys" full body aches, hot and cold flashes, fish out of water syndrome- flopping around like a fish or thrashing around in your bed trying to ride it out and every junkys personal favourite- projectile puking.

Oxy or other synthetic opioids will do the exact same thing.
Although if you still take percs, you will not experience the same intensity of withdraw. Most addicts once full blown addicted (usually after 3 days of daily use) move on from percs, given their low opiate milligram, and move onto the Oxys or hydromorphs, because there's enough of the drug to hold an addict over for a few hours and give you the euphoric state.

I know this because at one point in my life, I was an addict.
I think I'm going on 8 years clean now. I say I think, because it doesn't even cross my mind.

When I first quit, I went cold turkey - close to a month of continuous withdraw symptoms.

The first week was the worst. Soon after, it was just at night that I would get "the jimmys"
I relapsed being an idiot and went back to it for 2 weeks.
Then I realized I would rather die than go threw the same withdraw I just got over.
So I went to a methadone clinic and got on Suboxone.

Subs are for people who still have to function in daily life. You do not get the high feeling that you do from methadone.
The sub is what's called a "partial agonist" because it gives your body the drug it needs to prevent going into withdraw, but also blocks your body from feeling that drug.
So it makes you feel like a normal person again.
Also, even if you try to take another opioid after your sub, your just wasting your money because you will not feel it.
Your brains receptors get filled with the drug and block anything else trying to fill them.

So ya, any opioid withdraw, depending on how high of a dose you were self medicating with,
Will give you the same symptoms.

But as they say, You need to go through hell, to get to paradise....it's worth every second of being free from that garbage.

a reply to: MacK80

OH you mean the 'jets' ok got it. Pings yes got those too!

I suspect the new marijuana regulations will end up looking just like our alcohol regulations.

- age restrictions
- driving restrictions
- employment/business restrictions
- where you can purchase it restrictions
- where you can consume it restrictions

etc etc.

It's important to legalize it, but it's even more important to legalize it responsibly.




Canada.... the new Amsterdam.

It's about bloody time.




(CranialSponge looks out her living room window to see half of the neighbourhood running down the street to buy their first pack of herb ciggies... with Granny Ethel beating everyone out and making it to pole position first)

a reply to: Macenroe82

I'm moving to Canada on the 2nd July 2018 for the rezt of my life, lock up your daughters, maple syrup and weed.

a reply to: Macenroe82

Good job man! I'm glad that you were able to kick that stuff. Of all the drugs out there that people take, opiates are by far and above the worst class of drugs. Alcohol is a close second with its super intense withdrawal symptoms too. I had a buddy who got hooked on heroin. Wait. Check that. Make that two buddies. They didn't make it to the other side though. There is also a third buddy of mine who I haven't heard from since he OD'd. I heard he's still alive though.

The first one I saw coming a mile away. He had OD'd and passed out on the hood of a car and wasn't found until the morning. He went through months of rehabilitation where he had to literally relearn how to walk and talk. That was his first relapse. His next and final relapse he wouldn't make it through. The second buddy, I didn't even know was using until after he passed away; however a buddy pointed out to me how he could tell he was on dope at a party he was at shortly before he died. The third buddy we all knew was using, but still came as a shock cause he snuck away from a small party to go shoot up in a bathroom and ended up ODing but no one knew he even had it on him. So no one checked on him until much later. Like I said, he survived but I haven't heard from him since so I don't know if that is still the case.

As you can see, I have had quite a few friends touched by that Black Tar of Death (I have others messing with prescription opiates too...). So while I haven't been in your shoes before, I can sympathize. I don't enjoy losing my friends and I'm sure your friends and family appreciate not losing you.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Ya opiates are horrible. Big pharma pushed Oxys saying that it was a "safe" none addictive alternative to morphine....fricken scum bags. There has been entire towns pushing lawsuits on the makers of oxy and hydromorph -Perdue pharmacy. But they have so much money they couldn't care less.
I to have lost a lot of "friends" I say it in quotes because a junky is not your real friend. They are there until there's no reason to be. When I quit I had to turn my back on every single person I knew asides from my wife....and I couldn't be happier.
You are right though, not all people can come back from being in a place as dark as addiction. For me, it was my kids. They were worth every single cramp, jimmy leg, case of cold bones I got.
I feel like I was given a second chance at life and I'm not going to waste it.