Marijuana legalization in Canada

I'm out of the loop on how laws work in Canada, but every source I've seen on this says they've announced that they're going to announce a plan to make it legal in 2018.

Now, here in the states, there'd be lawyers and deep pocket lobbyists lined up out the door ready to fight this "plan", whatever it is, until the bitter end. It would be premature to celebrate even six months after the law passed, in these parts.
Come to think of it, I'm sitting in a state where we legalized the stuff three months ago, and there's still no plan in sight for where I could go to buy it legally if I wanted it. Probably won't see one for another year- and that's IF they don't manage to somehow reverse the decision.

Does it not work that way up there?

Edit: just looked, the reason I can't go out and buy it because within hours of legalizing the stuff, they passed a law banning retail sales. For now, at least.

a reply to: lordcomac

Nah not really, once the legislation passes at the federal level, it becomes legal law across the country. Provinces have no say in the criminal code, what goes in it, what comes out of it, that is handled entirely by the Federal Gov.

Sure, provinces can sue, but they'd only be loosing. Pot doesn't make them money at the moment it costs them money in law enforcement, imprisonment, not to mention the giant back log of criminal cases related to MJ.

It's supported by a majority of both politicians and the populace at large as well, so I doubt we will be having any issues down the road. if anything, the only fights will be about the distribution of the taxes collected.

~Tenth

a reply to: tothetenthpower

Right, but what I'm seeing is that they didn't pass it at the federal level- they said they plan to announce a plan to pass it.

Or did I misunderstand?

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: bobs_uruncle

When people finally get fed up, more opinions will change, it may be too late though.

True, but that doesn't mean they will immediately agree with your opinion. They may come to a completely different conclusion.

This is true, maybe there's a better solution. Time will tell, however the worse it gets, it will lead to fewer and fewer options until only a single option is left. It would nice if trudeau kept his word and legalized pot since it was the platform upon which he was elected. At least that way, it'll be a little easier to take all the other crap, while looking through the smokey haze lol. Let's face it, debt is spiraling out of control, we have unvetted immigrants coming in and the government is throwing 40k or more of our money at each one, we have a resource fire-sale that's been going on since at least Harper, this is unsustainable. Our dollar is going to drop big time and when that happens, inflation will increase rapidly. I've seen it happen first hand, as well as a country's capitulation to the IMF and when it happens, it happens fast, very fast. I honestly hope I am wrong, but I haven't been the last few times. If the IMF continues to allow our idiot-boy-pm to continue increasing the debt to support his stupidity, it only moves the collapse line a bit further forward in time.

Do you want your children or grandchildren to pay for the greed and stupidity of these clowns?

Cheers - Dave

a reply to: Neith

Anything touching the USA is a problem. We solve yours with rubbing shoulders. Did you hear we wanted to conquer the planet yet? If not, I understand, it's kind of a secret.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: underwerks

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
I don't agree with it. Decriminalization is far better than regulation. The prices will be ridiculous.

Reality disagrees with you.

I dunno... That near 50% tax is pretty ridiculous...

$50 an 8th is the illegal market high area. So due to competition it's almost 8x cheaper, but with 50% tax.
*reads more*

But ya screw that tax.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: bobs_uruncle

I don't know much about Canada, but can the PM actually DO all the things you just said? I know the President couldn't do those things if we were talking about the States, so I'm guessing that the PM can't do them either.

here is the big difference between the US and Canadian government that affects that. in the US you vote for the President directly, and you vote for your congressman. so Trump was voted in as President but even Republicans that were voted into congress don't necessarily support him. in Canada you don't vote for the Prime Minister (equal to the President). instead you vote for your Member of Parliament (MP's, equal to a congressman), and whichever gets the most seats in parliament (equal to getting the most seats in Congress), their party's leader becomes the Prime Minister. and the senate is a bunch of political appointments (Canadians don't get to vote for them, they are passed out as "rewards" to party supporters), that really don't do anything anyway. this gives the Prime Minister a lot more power than the US President has, since it's all about party politics. and one must remember that one of pretty boy Justin's and thus the Liberal party's, biggest campaign promises, and one big thing that helped him, and thus all the Liberal MP's that got voted in, win the election was to legalize marijuana. in fact the timing of legalization being set for July 2018, just smacks of campaigning for the next election which is set for Oct 21 2019. just long enough for any furor over it to die down and be forgotten. while close enough that those in favor of it will remember it favorably for the election. and it seems the Liberal Party is going to need all the help they can get next election with the high numbers of people getting pissed off with what the Liberals have done so far. things like this anti-free speech BS, bringing in so many of these refugees, and their "green policies". i have seen an awful lot of talk that Canada needs a "Trump" next election, lately. (and yes contrary to what you see in main stream media, there are an awful lot of Canadians that fully support Trump and his policies).

personally i think legalization will be a good thing. there are many people who can not drink alcohol. it is only fair they should have a choice to use something else legally. and the medicinal marijuana is a joke. there are not many doctors that will or can proscribe it. it can be difficult to get medical marijuana, i know people that are on it, and still have to buy from "street dealers". and you stand the chance of loosing your GP over it, because they don't like it. and getting a new GP can be extremely difficult due to the doctor shortage, thanks to a failing health care system.

a reply to: MacK80

a star for effort!

Wait... You want to conquer the Planet? wtf??

a reply to: generik

So basically your leader is our version of Paul Ryan.

Great.

originally posted by: lordcomac
a reply to: tothetenthpower

Right, but what I'm seeing is that they didn't pass it at the federal level- they said they plan to announce a plan to pass it.

Or did I misunderstand?

They will present legislation, and because the Liberals are in power and have a majority, it will pass, maybe not in the current form it will be presented next month, but some variety of it.

It's like the US if the Democrats controlled both the House and the Senate with a very healthy majority. There will be roadblocks but they'll be about little details, not the actual law itself.

~Tenth

a reply to: Neith

Why do you think I keep shipping you jets? Did you get my pings?

a reply to: Macenroe82

Good for Canada! A rational country, who would have thunk that? And the metric system... seems like a good place to me!

You will not see harder drugs at all. If they are already there they will be afterwards. Here in the AK the only problem is the d@mn guberment dragging their feet in doling out licenses. Even though they are making money they see it as encouraging its use. Which any resident doesn't give a flying F about anyway.

People were smoking pot before. They will be smoking afterwards. But now they wont be considered criminals. There is nothing wrong with that.

a reply to: TEOTWAWKIAIFF

Canada has drug problems, souly related to Climate. But as for every other crevice, they smush it.

People just aren't meant to live in the Cold. Or at least without drugs. Yeah sure, the USA may 'rejoice' when weed is legalized, but Canada is probably losing their #ing minds right now.

a reply to: MacK80

Yep our drug problem is a prescription drug problem.

And nobody ever went from smoking pot to doing heroin just because they smoked pot lol

~Tenth

Marijuana legalization in Canada

Wow, maybe now Sessions will change his mind when he see's American dollars flooding across the border.

www.businessinsider.com...

a reply to: MacK80

We have serious alcohol problems. Nearly 100% of the homeless spend all their time and money getting drunk and staying that way. It is actually pretty taxing on paramedics.

So these drunks start using synthetic MJ which is more expensive than the real thing! Then they have breaks from reality. Which require ambulance response. Since our local government has been dragging their feet, the use of any synthetic has risen (bath salts, synth MJ, and others) which means more calls. They have just made the synth stuff illegal. There is large heroin problem too. Lots of ODs in certain communities. With the rise of prescription drugs it has only gotten worse. First people use pills, then start snorting, then shooting up. Instant addicts.

Not very much climate related. People do this all year round. People choose to be this way. It is not a very good life style choice. Those that hit rock bottom usually clean up. Not just drink but the whole thing. Legalization of marijuana has had little effect on this cycle of abuse. But people are not sitting in jail because they had a little pot on them anymore.

originally posted by: bobs_uruncle
options until only a single option is left.

Impossible. There is never a singular option to pursue. Coupled with the fact that humans tend to repeat decisions they've made in the past regardless of their success rates says that your government, any government, isn't even close to maxing out their unique choices. Though accepting this means you need a more liberal outlook as you have to be willing to break with tradition to pursue these solutions.

Do you want your children or grandchildren to pay for the greed and stupidity of these clowns?

Cheers - Dave

I'm already paying for the greed and stupidity of the Boomers. They can get in line.

a reply to: TEOTWAWKIAIFF

Alcohol is a whole different fish than 'drugs'. It serves no purpose other than being drunk and systemically addicted.

With evidence around the world, trust me, something about cold+drugs does it to small pockets of society; greater than those that are standard.

originally posted by: tothetenthpower
a reply to: MacK80
And nobody ever went from smoking pot to doing heroin just because they smoked pot lol

But research is showing that the opposite DOES happen.

a reply to: Macenroe82

Marijuana isn't a gateway drug:

healthland.time.com...

Legalize it!

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: tothetenthpower
a reply to: MacK80
And nobody ever went from smoking pot to doing heroin just because they smoked pot lol

But research is showing that the opposite DOES happen.

I've recently been involved in trying to graph a strain that helps deal with the symptoms of withdrawal in users of both prescription 'heroin' and the street version.

Not too much luck so far, but it's getting there. So I agree, we need to see more research put into this for sure.

~Tenth