Full Earth view from ISS Cupola Impossible 100 percent Fake

Wow.... the fakery is amazing these days is it not? That almost looks real.

a reply to: WaxingGibbons

Take your time and go back and think about your argument .

originally posted by: WaxingGibbons
The cupola is irrelevant, you can't view the entire Earth from 450 km period even if you were floating in space without any window to look through.

Yet... You have based your whole argument on pictures taken from the cupola. As for not being able to view the "whole" Earth, you are quite correct. With infinite distance from the Earth, it's impossible to see even 50% of it. But guess what? Those pictures aren't even close to seeing the whole Earth. However, if you were floating in space 450km above the Earth, you could easily see space around it with your peripheral vision. That's exactly what the 6 trapezoid shaped windows are doing, providing the cupola with peripheral vision. I'm not sure I can be any more clear than this.

a reply to: hutch622

No I am good, I have proven these pics cannot be real and left the resident debunkers and space buffs in silence. It's done. It was done when I posted my OP, it just took some time for reality to sink in.


100% proof of 100% fake.

a reply to: WaxingGibbons



AGAIN!!!!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Beer thirty!!

a reply to: DrWily

We were obviously talking about full hemispheres, obviously. If you think that my argument was that it is impossible to view the backside you are.......

Those pictures aren't even close to seeing the whole Earth. However, if you were floating in space 450km above the Earth, you could easily see space around it with your peripheral vision. That's exactly what the 6 trapezoid shaped windows are doing, providing the cupola with peripheral vision. I'm not sure I can be any more clear than this.

Ahaha, oh the denialist BS you come up with. The Earth would obviously fill up the entire view right up to the frame of the cupola. Give it up. Fake, fake, fake.

Are those panes in the trap ring of the window angled differently from the center?...coz

I gotta tell ya.....even if those were oriented with.......the distance from the panes would really show a broken image....yep trained observer.....I just see this stuff right awaya reply to: DrWily

a reply to: mikell

Thanks?

Ain't nuthin for a stepper.....the panes are probably .......thick?

See where I'm goin with that one item.......

Looking for good judgement here....it tells a story

originally posted by: WaxingGibbons
a reply to: DrWily

We were obviously talking about full hemispheres, obviously. If you think that my argument was that it is impossible to view the backside you are.......

Those pictures aren't even close to seeing the whole Earth. However, if you were floating in space 450km above the Earth, you could easily see space around it with your peripheral vision. That's exactly what the 6 trapezoid shaped windows are doing, providing the cupola with peripheral vision. I'm not sure I can be any more clear than this.

Ahaha, oh the denialist BS you come up with. The Earth would obviously fill up the entire view right up to the frame of the cupola. Good point old man.....
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Good point.....with a fisheye that bent, from that apparent distance from the framing of the cupula.....the subject would fill the entire portal......

Due to the trua altitude vs perceived altitude......good logic, see.....there's some good judgement

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originally posted by: WaxingGibbons
a reply to: DrWily

We were obviously talking about full hemispheres, obviously. If you think that my argument was that it is impossible to view the backside you are.......

What? Go ahead and say it, I won't be offended. How can I be offended by someone as close minded as you? It's like getting pissed a dog that barks. Which exactly what you are doing, barking.

I've yet to see a valid counter argument for why wide angles lenses and the general shape of the cupola don't explain it. In the article you conveniently ignored, it states that you could take a picture where all edges of the Earth are visible at a distance of around 14.5cm from the window. This is far enough back to see EVERYTHING in the picture if you use a wide angle lens. If you use the term "irrelevant" one more time without giving a counter argument, you are pathetic.

a reply to: DrWily

It's over. Bye.

Since the side windows sit at an ~90 degree angle to the round one, giving the cupola a "cup" shape... if you were to look out of those side windows, even though you could not see the full hemisphere of Earth from this distance, you could see black space on the outside edge of the area visible to you.

It's like if I look out the front window of my house, I'm too close to the street to see the ends of the street, but if I look out of the side windows, I can see the ends of the street.

A fisheye lens would bend the light to make it appear like that is one flat window in a single picture, but it's essentially one central photo and several angled ones. That explains why the lake isn't the correct size either - you are not looking at a full hemisphere, but more like a round panorama with the distortion that comes along with it.

Lets test it.

ISS : Check
Earth: Check

Now I need camera parameters and relative distance scaling.



Large:

i.gyazo.com...
Anybody an earth to ISS scale ??
And Camera Settings ?

originally posted by: WaxingGibbons
a reply to: DrWily

It's over. Bye.

What, no counter argument? I'm not sure why I was expecting one... But if you are so confident the pictures are fake (which they aren't), then you should be able to back up your claims with hard evidence. Your gross misunderstanding of lenses and optics in general prevent you from doing so. So yes, I agree. It's over, I win.

originally posted by: samara11278
Since the side windows sit at an ~90 degree angle to the round one, giving the cupola a "cup" shape... if you were to look out of those side windows, even though you could not see the full hemisphere of Earth from this distance, you could see black space on the outside edge of the area visible to you.

Exactly.

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Refraction:



Simple as that.

Good logic........the apparent distance from the cupola........too much.....that 14.5 cm from the window works.....waxings number.....but the shot shows more periphery, ....and let's talk angled panes, baby.......addressing that will say fake


reply to: EartOccupant

originally posted by: MacK80

originally posted by: samara11278
Since the side windows sit at an ~90 degree angle to the round one, giving the cupola a "cup" shape... if you were to look out of those side windows, even though you could not see the full hemisphere of Earth from this distance, you could see black space on the outside edge of the area visible to you.

Exactly.

No Refraction(Similar to his picture):

Refraction:

Simple as that.

Ahaha, the viewing height in your diagram is way higher than 450 km........

a reply to: WaxingGibbons

It's not even marked, it's conceptual. Try again and understand the concept.

a reply to: DrWily

There has to be an argument for me to counter it. What you posted doesn't apply to these pics.