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Full Earth view from ISS Cupola Impossible 100 percent Fake
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originally posted by: WaxingGibbons
a reply to: puzzlesphere
Your graphic is correct. However, your idea that we are seeing the entire hemisphere of Earth is not correct. We are only seeing a very small portion of Earth and the horizon. Maybe this will help:
I don't need help
Yes, yes you do.
a reply to: WaxingGibbons
The point is that the horizon of the earth can be seen from each of the 6 side windows of the cupola (giving a 360 degree view), with the view from each window projected onto the fish-eye lens... meaning that all horizons of the the earth can be seen through a single lens, in a single photo.
This is elementary stuff.
The point is that the horizon of the earth can be seen from each of the 6 side windows of the cupola (giving a 360 degree view), with the view from each window projected onto the fish-eye lens... meaning that all horizons of the the earth can be seen through a single lens, in a single photo.
This is elementary stuff.
a reply to: WaxingGibbons
I am never one to be on the side of the majority.
In this case, what choice will you give me?
Here is my final advice: when the truth hits, don't be hard on yourself. Just keep truckin'.
I am never one to be on the side of the majority.
In this case, what choice will you give me?
Here is my final advice: when the truth hits, don't be hard on yourself. Just keep truckin'.
a reply to: puzzlesphere
Not from 2 meter away from the window, the field of view is restricted by the 2 m diameter of the windows, at 2 m distance, giving a field of view of 53 degrees, and your magic fish eye lens will pick up nothing outside that, from that position away from the window.........kindergarten.
The point is that the horizon of the earth can be seen from each of the 6 side windows of the cupola (giving a 360 degree view),
Not from 2 meter away from the window, the field of view is restricted by the 2 m diameter of the windows, at 2 m distance, giving a field of view of 53 degrees, and your magic fish eye lens will pick up nothing outside that, from that position away from the window.........kindergarten.
originally posted by: WaxingGibbons
Myeah, no. Those points you circled are 3-4000 km apart.
The surface we see in this pic for instance is only about 700km across.
The windows are not computer screens drawing a single fixed size image on them... The amount of surface you see in the window is determined by the distance the camera is from the window. The camera in the picture you chose is further back, giving you a smaller view of the Earth. If the camera was much closer to the windows you would see a lot more surface.
Do this... get your right hand and hold it in front of you, and form a circle with your thumb and pointer finger to simulate the center of this capola window. Close one eye, and take note of how much of the background you can see through the circle of your fingers when you hold it far away from your eyes. Then move your hand closer to your eyes, you will see a lot more of the background inside the circle.
This is the difference between the image above, and the original images we are discussing that displays a 360 degree horizon. The image above has a camera without a fisheye lens at a further distance from the window. If the camera moved closer to the window much more of the Earth would fit in the center window. Now move even closer and use a fisheye lens, and you would see exactly what you see in the original image. Since it is a fisheye lens, it would appear the lens is further back than the other camera, but it is not, it is closer.
I think you should study the laws of perspective, then come back.
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a reply to: puzzlesphere
It is at least twice the width of the center window away which is 80cm, I estimate 2m.
It is at least twice the width of the center window away which is 80cm, I estimate 2m.
originally posted by: WaxingGibbons
a reply to: puzzlesphere
It is at least twice the width of the center window away which is 80cm, I estimate 2m.
while the logic behind that estimate seems sound its just not possible to know without knowing what lens they had on that camera. a fisheye can make something look really far away when its right up next to it and a telephoto lens can make something seem close thats really far away. we do know for sure that a fisheye lens was used in the picture though cause of the distortion in it
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Excellent....what you're saying is no lens will catch more of the Earth than that one....that took that pic. Yep
Cool...BIG KNOCK....big knock, baby.....ladies and gentlemen, that retires the sideeditby]edit on 25-3-2017 by GBP/JPY because: (no reason given)
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originally posted by: DrWily
You may have looked at the article... You may have even read the article... But you obviously didn't comprehend what was being said. Give up? How old are you, 14? I bet you are the first person out in dodge ball.
originally posted by: WaxingGibbons
a reply to: DrWily
I read the article, this is why I know he didn't discuss or explain the issue with these pics. Give it up.
www.nasa.gov...
That image was taken June 12, 2013 and subsequently posted directly on www.nasa.gov
If that image was fake... Do you really think it would have made it almost 4 years before someone like you, genius that you are, came out to tell the world about it?
Also, care to explain how optics and distortion are irreverent? Hopefully something a little better than "give up".
I agree with that, I missed your pic the first time round. I don't know why the OP chose those two pics near enough thumbnails, but it is obvious from your pic that that the lensing is designed to illustrate the cabin et al just as much as the view, and everything there is rounded...even the stick on controls lables, you just don't buy banana shaped information lables to stick on. Another thing, there is a bulk head mid section between the windows and the camera, and while it looks round , (like everything else in the picture) it is not, or at the very least it has pillow like paddings that are angular.
This is a straight shot, everything is angularly symmetric, no rounding of windows except small at corners, angular bulkhead, except at corner joins.
files.abovetopsecret.com...
Compare to the distorted image that you rightly gave here, which is configured in the same way as the OP's first picture.
files.abovetopsecret.com... See the differences...use the ATS file address for more clarity if needed
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25-3-2017 by smurfy because: Text.
Looks to me like the same tactic exposed by the ground breaking documentary from the 80s, Something Happened on the Way to the Moon in which NASA was
forced to admit it faked the picture it took of earth by using a circular window over the ocean (even though they still to this day ignore the other
question that documentary posed, if just miles over the ocean when the satellite footage leaked, how did they broadcast from the moon five hours later
when the moon is supposed to be a five DAY journey). Im definitely on your side OP. This isn't even theory NASA admitted to the fraud but people still
say youre an idiot if you question other things that come out of Cape Kennedy.
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originally posted by: WaxingGibbons
a reply to: Shamrock6
The other scenario is then that someone rounded off these pics making it look like a sphere with space around it. You can't escape the fact that they are fake.
My god man this is a simple fisheye lens. The outer windows are actually at the sides!
If I am holding a basketball directly to my nose, the edges of my perspective of the ball will appear as the actual edges of the ball, even thought the ball is curved, and the actual edges go on beyond my perspective.
I am simply seeing the apex of the horizon of the balls curvature in every direction, which changes based on how far away the ball Is from my face.
The windows are creating the illusion of a full earth shot because they are actually at the sides and running vertically into the center window. The fisheye lens makes them appear flat. If you were to look out the side windows of the cupola when facing the earth you would be able to see the edge of the earth meeting the blackness of space. That is what you are seeing in this picture. Surely you can see how simply this is explained!
This isn't a distant full earth shot man! It's just fisheying the edges of what can actually be seen! I can understand why you are thinking what you are thinking, but this is honestly a photography 101 lensing perspective situation.
The exact same effect Is utilized in panoramic surveillance mirrors. This is a simple perspective issue.
edit on 26-3-2017 by Argus100
because: Typo
a reply to: WaxingGibbons
Are the images NASA posted fake? Not necessarily.
Are the images an accurate representation of the view of the Earth at that altitude? Not at all
Are the images showing a full hemispheric view of the Earth? No, they are showing a heavily distorted view of a portion of the Earth.
How is empty space being captured in the images? Using a ultra-wide fisheye lens one can capture images with a nearly 180 degree field of view. In the case of these images one can still capture empty space although the rest of the image will be highly curved/distorted. Also with such a wide angle lens part of the image is of the inner barrel of the camera lens as can be seen in both images you posted. The section of the ISS with this window has a great deal of other equipment in it and due to the position of the camera it was all blocked out by the lens barrel.
All in all these images are highly distorted views of part of the Earth. You can really notice the distortion in the fact that the cupola has a hexagonal structure and yet in these images the cupola seems to have a circular structure. Adding to that you can also see the solar arrays in the image are curved which does not accurately reflect the true structure of the solar arrays.
So are the images fake? No, but they aren't an accurate representation of the Earth at that altitude either.
Why would NASA take such distorted images of the Earth? It's a pretty picture/video, isn't it....
Are the images NASA posted fake? Not necessarily.
Are the images an accurate representation of the view of the Earth at that altitude? Not at all
Are the images showing a full hemispheric view of the Earth? No, they are showing a heavily distorted view of a portion of the Earth.
How is empty space being captured in the images? Using a ultra-wide fisheye lens one can capture images with a nearly 180 degree field of view. In the case of these images one can still capture empty space although the rest of the image will be highly curved/distorted. Also with such a wide angle lens part of the image is of the inner barrel of the camera lens as can be seen in both images you posted. The section of the ISS with this window has a great deal of other equipment in it and due to the position of the camera it was all blocked out by the lens barrel.
All in all these images are highly distorted views of part of the Earth. You can really notice the distortion in the fact that the cupola has a hexagonal structure and yet in these images the cupola seems to have a circular structure. Adding to that you can also see the solar arrays in the image are curved which does not accurately reflect the true structure of the solar arrays.
So are the images fake? No, but they aren't an accurate representation of the Earth at that altitude either.
Why would NASA take such distorted images of the Earth? It's a pretty picture/video, isn't it....