Tengri 137 - Higher Contact, Artificial Intelligence or Elaborate Hoax?

This is only a ploy to get more mathematicians laid.

(I kid)

Watching with interest.

So after playing with this puzzle for a little bit, I have been able to reproduce everything that they've done, in exactly the same way. It's a very clever play on prime numbers and factorization of primes, and a little bit of a magic trick.

They start with the desired outcome of a number sequence, which can represent anything they want. Then that number sequence is multiplied by a repeating prime number, such as 3, or 6, to get the 3rd part of the number, which is basically a prime repeating number, included in a division problem made up of factored primes. By using this, they can predetermine any sequence of numbers to represent any combination of letters and characters, whether that be an onion address, or a url, or a DNA sequence. It's pretty clever, but at the end of the day, it's just math.

What I don't like, is the toying with people by telling them that this puzzle comes from a supreme intelligence. Yes, this is smart. Yes, it is clever. But it is easily reproducible by people, and immediately excludes it for me. Pi and 7 are both prime numbers, one of which has a repeating decimal. By using these in the Hebrew reference, it feels an awful lot like someone trying to use trickery with math to convince people that religion is wrong, there is no God and the universe is finite with aliens pushing all of their thoughts into our heads. That sh!t bothers me, which is why I set out to not just solve the puzzle, but reverse engineer the entire thing.

I would consider the puzzle legit and the math legit, the message is IMO, a hoax. If I have time today, I'll put together a post showing how it was done.

~Namaste

a reply to: TEOTWAWKIAIFF

Duh, TEOT. Cicadia3301

So, an obsession with mysterious 33!

As I thought about this after a couple more beers I started thinking this whole thing is an elaborate marketing campaign for a new Silk Road. I lost Pihkal (and my Anarchist Cookbook, grrrr.), so cannot look up the chemicals on page 23 but they look like alkaloids.

My guess, is do more maths, find the hidden url. Buy drugs before the timer runs out. Wait for the next "puzzle". But that is only my guess.

Or it could be, turn on, tune in, do math!!

a reply to: SonOfTheLawOfOne

Six? As in 2x3. That makes a lot of sense to repeatedly divide by 6.

You can also use the primorial function since it scales logarithmically. That explains the "3^2", and lower primes like 11, 13, 17, 19 and the very large ones.

Great use of partitioning numbers and primes!

a reply to: SonOfTheLawOfOne
Good job, sir, and thanks!

Agreed re: spooky mind games and crappy people willing to play with other people's heads like that.

I know (most) every web incident like this, so far, has been bunk ... but one never knows... so thanks to folks like you!

And I guess my friend, high or not, was correct in his assessment (darnit), so he'll be even smugger!

originally posted by: TEOTWAWKIAIFF
a reply to: TEOTWAWKIAIFF

Duh, TEOT. Cicadia3301

So, an obsession with mysterious 33!

As I thought about this after a couple more beers I started thinking this whole thing is an elaborate marketing campaign for a new Silk Road. I lost Pihkal (and my Anarchist Cookbook, grrrr.), so cannot look up the chemicals on page 23 but they look like alkaloids.

My guess, is do more maths, find the hidden url. Buy drugs before the timer runs out. Wait for the next "puzzle". But that is only my guess.

Or it could be, turn on, tune in, do math!!

The images on page 23 are nucleotides, DNA molecules. The images are IMO, are meant to mislead by trying to add some credibility to the story they were trying to sell us. Use ancient symbols and mysticism and symbols that represent DNA and physics, and it makes the story more believable. The tone of the language had a certain arrogance to it that I had a hard time believing a benevolent individual or group would convey. I don't consider myself benevolent in any way, but I'm a pretty nice guy by most people's accounts, and with my mere mortal level of benevolence (however much it might be), I would be a lot nicer about it.

Just keep it real... if you are putting a riddle out as an ARG to make people run around and play a game, tell them that. Be honest about the reward, if any. If you're recruiting people for something, be clear about the intent. If Tengri wants to represent themselves with 666, good, because this makes that direction look evil, malevolent and a little stupid, not remotely "enlightened".

The Cicada puzzles... whole different story, I have a much deeper appreciation for their methodology and honesty... so far. They gave us a new encryption algorithm to look at, which as far as I can tell, is legit and would completely revolutionize encryption.

~Namaste

a reply to: SonOfTheLawOfOne

I stand corrected! DNA... it is been a while since I have studied any of that. That then leaves open what page 23 is about. Hehe.

The "tone" of the message is kind of too judgmental. It would be nice to believe that space brothers organized a "help the humans" campaign. But to do an internet search to find, "The One," via decoder ring would be silly since they already know who it is. Right? Too over miscomplicated.

If I were a space brother, I would fly down in my super sexy UFO, then tractor beam Fukushima into the sun. Then come back and do the same to Chernobyl. Then I would shoot some ray beam over the contaminated areas cleaning them. Then I would land on the White House lawn and give a strong warning about keep our act together.

Uploading a PDF to a site, and sending out a crypto tweet would not be very effective method of communication.

Thanks for showing us the maths!

a reply to: SonOfTheLawOfOne

Brothers & Sisters- these puzzles were not created, deciphered and disseminated by a person nor group of persons as we would commonly know or perceive them.
24 pages of ancient script and complex, previously unknown mathematical connotations sent to somebody's email inbox? Hmmm...
To come up with prime numbers dozens of digits long, then use these primes in long division problems resulting in everything being represented from the fine structure constant, the speed of light, PI, and PHI to several digits of certainty is beyond the comprehension of all but maybe 1 in every hundred million people at best.
Of those few what Do understand and follow the mathematics, I'd dare say that only a fraction of these would be capable of translating the runes from whatever language they originate in into english (no mean feat in itself).
Yet within hours of the mysterious runic scripts being revealed, lo & behold there's the decryption of what they mean.
Yeah, just a guy in his basement fooling around with his translational tools downloaded from vault7? Think Again.
Sincerely, Daniel

a reply to: dannymaurice


Then add in the grammar, gives a bit of a clue from where they originated from.

I have just spent the last 3 hours reading the wiki page and this thread and, honestly, I have not yet made up my mind on what to think about all this...

As SonOfTheLawOfOne said, mathematically speaking, it's flawless and very wisely constructed. That I can agree on. Who's behind it, on the other hand, I have no idea...but I don't think it's an individual, unless he/she has spent a large amount of time to mastermind the puzzle.

Another thing in question is where these encrypted pages came from. Are we talking about some old scrolls that were hidden from us or were they recently printed? Nothing is said about that.

As for the last part of the puzzle, I'm not entirely sure how to even begin...but have made a quick script to give me statistical analysis of the characters. Here is the result:

A = 19
B = 10
E = 12
F = 6
G = 2
H = 4
I = 7
K = 7
L = 2
M = 8
N = 11
O = 12
P = 1
R = 12
S = 7
T = 6
U = 18
Y = 4
Z = 6

As you can see, some letters(C,D,J,Q,V,W) of the alphabet are missing. There is emphasis on the vowels so that's a good sign, if we assume that the chars stay the same, unlike in substitution cipher or key-based encryption method. So if it is a some sort of transposition cipher, then I think the message can actually be brute-forced sooner or later, not something only 'the ONE' with the right genetic disposition can do! However, seeing previous methods, I wouldn't be surprised if not all the characters are actually used in the message.

Will be keeping tabs on this thread. Definitely ATS material, even if it turns out that it is indeed only an elaborated hoax.