Tengri 137 - Higher Contact, Artificial Intelligence or Elaborate Hoax?

Revised... after some more digging, this does "feel" different... time will tell if it's bunk or a momentous big deal ... again, a really safe comment but a true one.

Though IF it's as legit as a cursory glance seems to make it, some of the results aren't all rosy... I'm not sure we're up to be judged by an advanced intelligence at the moment... I'd think we need a few more millenniums of cooking, myself.

Options for what is going on as I see it, please forgive me for stating what's already no doubt been considered for the upteenth time:

a) The most likely, despite being a strange habit: Smart guys and gals doing this on their own, or in small collaborative groups. A lot of high level academic institutions probably have a good deal of intellectual rivalry built right into the culture, proving that you're smart enough is a thing that goes beyond ego, it could dictate the entirety of where your life goes. The bad news, I guess, is that even if you manage to solve the puzzle, your prize could be, like, a high five over email or something.

b) ARG. Altered reality games are amusing and done for their own sake, the thrill of the chase. Do these puzzles qualify? I would guess so, enough people sink hours/days/months into solving them. But it hits the same wall as above...these are not half-assed easter egg hunts.

c) Good Will Huntin'; Said academic institutions, government agencies or free roaming thinktanks are doing this as a recruitment drive, looking for any equation-solving janitors on the WWW, as it were. This is quite likely as well in that it would dig up expert researchers and people capable of high concept lateral thinking. But it might actually not be all fun and games for "winners"; I don't think that it's inconceivable that these games are meant to root out people who are potentially able to become threats to, say, national security due to high intelligence. Scary thought.

d) AI. Many people in the programming field seem to have doubts as to how close we are to human-level AI, let alone the post-singularity exponential growth variety, yet some could equally say that the concern expressed by various public big brains like Musk and Hawkings might indicate otherwise; after all, Bill Gates wouldn't be pushing more basic "AI" like Cortana on his customers if there was no future in the concept. The idea of a rogue artificial intelligence out there posting puzzles in an attempt to communicate (or teach...more on that in a moment) is certainly compelling. Those that subscribe to fringier topics like ancient aliens, prehistoric civilization, breakaway civilizations and the like might have less trouble accepting the idea that our own technological creations have come to life and are teasing us with puzzles.

e) Aliens. It's always aliens. For some reason, aliens are trying to gauge just how bright we are as a species and are setting out tests to that end. I have no idea how they could interface with our technology, but maybe to them, a supercomputer is as complex as a hammer is to us. If so, good job aliens, for dumbing down your intelligence to a level that we could conceivably communicate.

f) Web researchers. A lot of these puzzles require some good research skills, as mentioned. Maybe some brains at G-gle are testing out the effectiveness of their search tools with unwitting volunteers. I'd think that there would be widgets and cookies hidden on the pages that are searched and there is no indication of that, but there could be more exotic tools in play.

g) Non-normal agencies: this is a pretty woo entry, but in the interests of being open to all possibilities it's included. Maybe a breakaway civilization is recruiting through these puzzles. They need motivated researchers with keen analytical minds and an eye for complex numbers, a driving need to solve mysteries and a thirst for knowledge to pilot their spaceships to Alpha Centauri and work out the meaning of bizarre alien glyphs. Maybe time travelers are stealing our best and brightest to help solve some future calamity. Maybe the Gods of Old are talking back to us through the Black Mirror and saying "remember us, we inspired your pyramids and your temples and every story that you ever heard. You drown us with television and celebrity fails, but we're still here. Remember us."

h) An addendum to options d, e and g; we're not following a trail of crumbs...we're being taught something. A new way to think perhaps, some method of associative imagery, some link between concept and mathematics. This is pretty out there, obviously but new modes of thought, new philosophies have been inspired by less. I shudder to think that someone could be inspired to something religious-like by some grad student's summer project, but you never know. What if it isn't some bored smart guy's fun.

It's been a really long time since I last logged into ATS but this stuff is something else.

From what I can tell it first surfaced in August 2016, on a

7chan board

. Apparently an encrypted book was published at that time and has gained some interest among cryptology enthusiasts. In January 2017, this guy asks the question

Tengri 137: Who can solve this encrypted book?

, he gives a good overview and also has a link for the pdf. It first appeared on YouTube on March 2nd 2017, when user

Defango

came across it online and made a

video

. Ed from

The Outer Dark

picked it up on March 22nd and here I am.

This stuff is definitely not a run-of-the-mill ARG; it's very complex, deeply layered and more than a little disturbing. I love those ARG things - in fact it was "Operation Blackjack" that first brought me to ATS - I'm a puzzle junkie. Over the years I've formed a fairly settled opinion on just how much has been hidden from us and I have no problem spotting TPTB's agenda. I've spent a long time and a fair bit of money delving into theology, religious doctrine and history. In the past six months, alone, I have gained a deeper understanding of just how long humanity has been enslaved by the 'system' than I knew in my entire life.

We, humanity, are important to whoever is giving us this and it isn't a god that man created. This

video

was posted in August 2016 and I'd really like to know what ATS makes of it, within the context of Tengri137? Thanks

I do not feel this one is an ARG... some of the proofs they have given were a first in maths... and others take so much computing power that their isn't a good way a group without quantum computing could produce results without taking 1,000s of years. This also makes me doubt a single bright individual trolling.

Not sure what this is, but would sure love for some smarter folks than me to start looking into options.



~Winter

a reply to: Winterpain

I can assure you 100% that there are serious people looking into this at this very moment.
Haven't you noticed how strangely quiet it is on the web.
This will be a historic document.
But will they find the chosen one before it is too late.

right now youtube dude defango is out on the road to find the "spear of destiny" ... cant wait to see his next update

a reply to: glowdog


This is a real worry, on many levels. I don't know whether the countdown clock has been posted in this thread. But as a summary, after a lot of work a Mp3 file was de encrypted then reversed and slowed down. If they were as accurate as the vault 7 file ED posted. It could be a bit of a freak out.

The Tengri book has been decrypted with exception of the last page.

The types of encryption used are astounding. For example, the second half of the book could only be decrypted by looking up the atomic symbols based on numbers derived from complex math, and taking the first letter of each one to string together the sentences in the book.

For example, one of the lengthy formulas (out of several dozens) produced a long number that was then broken into pairs:

(2^5 * 13 * 37 * 179 * 471077143) / (23 * 53 * 2711 * 897232321) =
0.43 77 25 63 87 76 37 22 80 63 43 37 92 22 72 10 15 19 53 47 19 23 64 94 91 61 09 94 35 49 37 45 45 76 47 22 29 82 43 29 30 68 15 90 62 43 33 36 43 65 68 86 28 85 25 72

These numbers had to be referenced to elements on the periodic table. When the elements were strung together into text, it didn't make sense. But when you use a transpositional cipher to decode only the first letters, words and sentences emerge.

The letters produced by the numbers were:

TC IR MN EU FR OS RB TI HG EU TC RB U TI HF NE P K I AG K V GD PU PA PM F PU BR IN RB RH RH OS AG TI CU PB TC CU ZN ER P TH SM TC AS KR TC TB ER RN NI AT MN HF

Taking the first letter of each set, we initially get the words:

"TIME FOR THE TRUTH"

Incredibly clever method of encryption, but not something earth shattering to me... yet. I could see someone devising this by reverse engineering numbers.

Starting with the number you want, you could work backward from it to derive "parts" to compute it algebraically. However, doing it on this order of magnitude, and what follows below, is not something that anyone has found possible with our knowledge of numbers.

The most profound thing in the book, IMO, is the reference to the name of God in Hebrew, written out as an expression of Pi.

At first, I didn't believe it, but I checked with people well versed in theology and both confirmed the symbols in the books as being the "name of God" or what they translated as YWHW. However, on closer inspection, it really does appear that it is 2 Pi symbols and 2 sevens as a mathematic expression. When you evaluate the expression, you get a series of numbers.

The expression for YWHW is π7π7 with the latter 7 being smaller, as to suggest an exponent. When I mentioned this to the same 2 people, they were in complete and utter shock that something so obvious could be so overlooked.

The Tengri book then tells us to look at this formula as proof:

(π7) / (π^7) = 0.0072811303130709660726288634443994380218609001184193098581017807773000188247754624059925152205799660855862873713...

or

(π^7) / (π7) = 137.34131336790063386145992052177427126674536115443523084872516964058484469176431621417448702170224802158769080690...

The first number is the Fine-structure Constant, also known as "God's number" by physicists. The ability to derive this number from the expression from the old books is pretty profound. The second number is 137, which is the inverse of the Fine-structure Constant. If you were to take 1/137, you would get the same number as the first number. The beauty of these two numbers being derived from such a simple formula is going to have many bright minds bent for a while.

Then, the book goes on to talk about adding part of the Gravitational Constant to the same formula like so:

((7^π) / (7π)) * 6.67 OR ((7π) / (7^π)) / 6.67

They are very explicit about not changing it and making sure the precision is no less than 10 decimals.

Doing so produces the following numbers:

((7^π) / (7π)) * 6.67 = 137.0350666248123480977772779259697505406927854787723951833...

and

((7π) / (7^π)) / 6.67 = 0.007297402224336455467525344147398860004528664132146759443...

Again, we see 137 and the Fine-structure Constant. This doesn't appear to be coincidental and this kind of mathematical skill is unheard of, even in major cryptography labs.

Last but not least, as a final demonstration for those still in doubt, they ask us to do the following calculation:

(2×23×499×19214759967251×55150662460749672076915609)
----------------------------------------------------------
(3×11×47×139×2531×549797184491917×11111111111111111111111)

This is where my mind was officially blown. I'm pretty damn good at math. And so are a few of my friends, better than myself.

The above formula, comes out to:

0.0072973525613766677788831415921618033299792458

Whoa. I have a difficult time understanding how they could have arrived at this number. This leads me to believe there is a rule or pattern in mathematics that we haven't learned or understood yet, and whoever this is, certainly does. Let's break this down in order of appearance...

- 0.00729735256 = Fine-structure constant
- 137 = 33rd prime, inverse of the Fine-structure constant (~ 1 / 137)
- 666 = alleged number of the beast
- 777 = common number reference of God (you can Google this yourself)
- 888 = number of Jesus (can also Google this)
- 3141592 = Pi (π, 3.141592...)
- 1618033 = Golden ratio (1.618033...)
- 299792458 = The speed of light in vacuum (299792458 meters per second)

Seriously??? lol

After the rest of the book is decrypted, "they" (the writers) use this as proof that they existed in ancient times, and encoded their knowledge in our earliest teachings. They also refer to themselves NOT being God or gods and don't like the connotation of it, they call anyone who does "evil".

YOUR MEASUREMENT IS ONLY VALID WITH AN EXACT RESULT
THE MEASUREMENT OF AN INFINITE GARDEN CAN NOT BROUGHT TO AN END BY YOU
YOU HAVE NOT THE TOOLS AND YOU HAVE NOT THE TIME
NOT THE LIFESPAN OF AN HUMAN WE MEAN THE LIFESPAN OF YOUR UNIVERSE
THE INFINITY OF THIS GARDEN WOULD BE ONLY A GUESS NOT A FACT
WHO TRY TO PROVE THE INFINITY PROVE AT END THE OPPOSITE
THIS IS INEVITABLE
OUR CIVILIZATION EXISTS SINCE THREE BILLION OF YOUR EARTH YEARS
WE ARE BEINGS FROM ANOTHER GALAXY
WE ARE IN YOUR GALAXY FOR OVER FIFTY MILLION YEARS AND
CONTACTED OVER HUNDRED THOUSAND DIFFERENT SPECIES
THE SEARCH FOR THE LIMITS OF THE UNIVERSE IS OVER
THE UNIVERSE IS VERY LARGE BUT NOT INFINITE
THERE LIVE MANY OTHER SPECIES SUCH YOURS
MANY OF THESE CIVILIZATIONS COULD REACH THE NEXT STAGE
YOUR CIVILISATION HAS REACHED THE CRITICAL LIMIT
IF YOU DO NOT MAKE THE NEXT STEP IN YOUR EVOLUTION
YOU WILL DESTROY YOURSELVES
MANY CIVILIZATIONS FAIL

This is most definitely not the same type of puzzles out there or an ARG. This is something different. This is someone or something with a hidden and extremely powerful knowledge of math. The onion address others referred to, can't even be generated randomly. Not only was the length something that should take a billion years to generate, but the address was intentionally constructed to generate a mathematical formula within it. And this is just the tip of the iceberg. An entire forum on ATS could be dedicated to this, and there is a possibility that if an advanced race was watching us, and wanted to reach the intelligent minds, they would use the internet with something like this that would require people across all walks of life and fields of study to interpret it, and would use familiar communication tools.

These were the main things that for me, changed this from a puzzle into something else. There is information in this book that can't be ignored, but you will need to leave your opinions and beliefs at the door. I've never seen anything like this in my lifetime.

More Info

~Namaste

Great post, sonofthelawofone. The math is beyond me being honest, but if that is right, why is it saying hoax in the title? Ats is where I come for weird stuff, which this certainly is. So why has it been tagged hoax when cleverer people than me are finding meaning to it??? If it is hoax then someone tell me why???

a reply to: expatwhite

Thank you!!!

I think the OP was asking if this is an elaborate hoax or something else.

I don't believe this is a hoax, at least not entirely.

The math is 100% legit. The encryption using it is too. The techniques are the kind that have been used for thousands of years, not just digital age stuff. They use Caesar ciphers, Alberti (WW2 Enigma machine) wheels, transpositional encryption, stenography, embedded information in images and music, DNA encoded strings...

The most interesting part of all of this though... the idea that if someone were trying to contact us, and wanted to share information with us, they wouldn't do it with the masses. They would need a group of people that could convince the masses. Scientists, mathematicians, physicists, to be "the voice" of humans all over the world would need to be convinced before anyone else. Then, THEY would do the convincing of the masses.

If they were far more advanced than us, they would likely prove it by going above our most advanced capabilities, bordering on magic and indistinguishable to most as not looking like magic.

Either way, whoever this is, it's not a hoax for them to reveal this kind of intelligence among us. I'm very happy to know there are people (if they are people) that they have this capability.

At the very least, a lot of people have learned how to maintain a shred of privacy by hiding information in plain sight, using a mix of tried and true encryption techniques that rely on nothing more than some basic math with long numbers.

~Namaste

Well, the math is cool. The grammar, however, is not. The encryption isn't really that sophisticated either, in my modest opinion.

But the main problem with this, in my opinion, is why it should be required to contact the human species through an internet puzzle.

And (I almost shudder involuntarily) on 4chan?

Cool, and all, but not really any more than that.

BT

a reply to: SonOfTheLawOfOne

Sorry, I read the title wrong. But I still want to thank you for your hard work on this. Total respect

If you cannot see how incredibly impressive this is, then this puzzle and it's message are definitely not intended for you.

Heh. I guess not.

I have been impressed by a lot of things people have created through the years, which doesn't mean I take whatever else they say for gospel.

But hey! To each their own..

BT

a reply to: beetee

Just want to ensure you are aware that Tengri & the Cicada puzzles are not the same. Cicada's math & encryption is pretty cool & interesting, but definitely something doable by intelligent man.

Tengri has me scratching my head as parts appear to relate to our ancient text, and some of the math included has never been done before / is not able to be generated with today's technology/knowledge. I'm not sure what it is, but it is truely interesting.

Just want to ensure everyone reading this post know these are two separate puzzles as both have been referenced in this post chain.

~Winter

a reply to: Winterpain

Hey there!

Sure, I am aware of this. My point was merely that while I concede the math is quite sophisticated, that does not mean that the message need to be sophisticated as well.

I think it is interesting too, but that is really the extent of it.

Cicada was fascinating too, but at least didn't get mythological in the middle of the whole thing.

Anyway, people should look at it for themselves I guess. Both cicada and this. It's an interesting puzzle.

Cheers,

BT

I posted this on another thread (the other one starts at the Wheel encryption).



If you go to the wikia page link (below) for that puzzle you will see the PGP code used to sign the PDF: 0x666ab731

There are couple things pointed at the wikia page about this number. What I don't see is "ab" is Latin for "out of" as in "Ordo ab chao" or "Order out of chaos" (supposed motto of the Illuminati but it comes from Freemasonry's Scottish Rite, 33rd degree). Reading it that way, "666 out of 731"!!

731 is an "angel number" (what ever the heck that is). "The Beast out of the angel number"

tengri137.wikia.com: For beginners.

Hum? And couple more thoughts...

Should a wise man utter vain knowledge, and fill his belly with east wind?

We think this bible verse is a message to "Cicadia3301" (same source)

Curious, all the bible imagery. From Turkish (Tengri and the runes), to KJV (ch/ver and 666), to a message in English using multiple ciphers utilizing the periodic table and prime numbers from a being that wishes to not be worshiped as a god!

If this a hoax, it is quiet entertaining! I doubt an AI would have much of a sense of humor. As for the last option, I don't want any east wind thank you!

a reply to: TEOTWAWKIAIFF

The more time I spend on this , the more flummoxed I become... as SOLOO said above, IF a hoax, then daaaaaaaang! I'm glad we have intellects of such magnitude among us! Though some of the screed has text / grammatical errors, I'm not sure if that's from bad transcription or mistakes in the maths, or if inherent in the material.

A friend schooled in ancient languages said the name of god part was flawed, and that it can't be as they say; but frankly, he was pretty high and is used to me bringing weak sauce crap off Youtube for a laugh, so he may not have really scrutinized it... or wanted to as not many folks coming to a friends house to goof off want to include getting ones' mind blown due to alien intelligence reaching out from the dark web in the festivities! I guess we ATS'rs are a hardier breed... well, or just weird chasers.

originally posted by: beetee
a reply to: Winterpain

Hey there!

Sure, I am aware of this. My point was merely that while I concede the math is quite sophisticated, that does not mean that the message need to be sophisticated as well.

I think it is interesting too, but that is really the extent of it.

Cicada was fascinating too, but at least didn't get mythological in the middle of the whole thing.

Anyway, people should look at it for themselves I guess. Both cicada and this. It's an interesting puzzle.

Cheers,

BT

Actually, Cicada made numerous references to Aleister Crowley, the number seven and included occult literature and paintings in their riddles. Both Cicada and Tengri make heavy demonstrated use of advanced math techniques, especially and specifically, factorization of primes of all types. The Cicada puzzles used a lot of images and old encryption techniques like the Alberti wheel, Enigma machine, Vigenere, but Tengri took things to a whole new level, especially with the onion address.

Tengri is proving to be far more advanced though, and less occult material is involved, more direct references to ancient scriptures in the bible with references to math, and less riddles. For example, references to verse 3:14 and 3:15 of Exodus mentioned explicitly (which is where the Pi symbol appears):

WE KNOW THAT YOU PUT OUR EXISTENCE IN QUESTION. SO WE WANT TO GIVE YOU "NOW" THE ULTIMATE PROOF. GENERATIONS AGO WE TOLD YOU OUR NAME. THIS NAME IS UNCHANGED IN YOUR HOLY SCRIPTURES. THIS WAS OUR WILL.
OUR NAME WILL NOT BE FORGOTTEN SO THAT WE CAN SHOW YOU WHO WE ARE.

"I AM THAT I AM. THIS IS MY NAME FOR EVER, AND THIS IS MY MEMORIAL UNTO ALL GENERATIONS" WE SAID.

UNTIL TODAY YOU THOUGHT THAT THIS WAS OUR NAME. OUR NAME IS A CALCULATION TO A NUMBER WHICH PROVIDE A PROOF FOR OUR EXISTENCE.

π7π^7

TIME IS RIGHT TO SHOW YOU OUR PROOF WE HIDE IN YOUR WRITINGS. WE PREPARED EVERYTHING VERY LONG TIME AGO. WE GAVE YOU YOUR HEBREW ALPHABET. YOU LEARNED THIS. WE GAVE YOU THE NUMBERS AND MATHEMATICAL SIGNS. YOU LEARNED THIS. THINK ABOUT WHY WE NOT ALLOWED TO CHANGE OUR NAME. THIS WAS IMPORTANT FOR OUR PROOF. CALCULATE OUR HEBREW NAME WITH THE HIDDEN SIGNS AND SEE WHICH NUMBER AWAITS YOU.

Those numbers were what I mentioned in a previous post. This is math from thousands of years ago, that arrives at the Fine-structure constant, which wasn't calculated until 1916 and included the speed of light and many other advanced mathematics.

In one of their messages, they say:

Nothing is random.
2, 8, 20, 28, 50, 82, ...

The next number is 126.

If you take their onion address (666666m7x6x5regc) and do the math using m as Mod, the answer is 126 (nobody knows what the regc is).

And as 12 digit address would take thousands of years to produce, you can't just make one come out that way. But as they say, nothing is random. (I find that really interesting)

There are some similarities but nobody in Cicada ever hinted at being an advanced species or intelligence from another galaxy. That part, along with the name of God being an equation that includes the most important mathematical constants of our time, is pretty incredible.

I'm starting to think that there is a group of people with ancient knowledge of math that was kept secret, and because of this knowledge, they can do what appears as magic to us. I'm not convinced just yet that it's aliens.

Cicada also made their intentions and motives a bit more clear around wanting to protect privacy (they just released a new way to do advanced encryption to the world). Tengri doesn't seem to have the same ideology, theirs points to something else. I would rule out recruitment for Tengri because they don't correspond like Cicada did, through email.

It's very interesting, has me waiting to see what's next. The last part of the puzzle says that nobody can solve it unless they have the genetics that match these beings. If that individual doesn't come forth, we're all doomed according to Tengri. Cicada never made such claims.

~Namaste

~Namaste

a reply to: Baddogma

Another 33 reference in the code.

137 is the 33rd prime! If we spot another that would be 3, 33s.

Maybe this is code from the illuminati activating the Masons!! LOL

This is chunky stuff either way!

Hope the "zipped" file doesn't unzip in my mind.