Why do we need to antagonize the Chinese when the Chinese aren't patrolling our coast or airspace?

a reply to: Miracula2

You don't get to restrict international airspace. No one does, so get over it.

originally posted by: Miracula2

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: Miracula2

Your provocation was in international airspace. Artificial islands don't get an ADIZ, or EEZ, and while the ADIZ of a nation doesn't have a set distance, they don't get to set it to cover all the way to Korea.

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Yes, but this deals with international laws. If one party is to respect international law. Then the other nation must reciprocate in order to establish equality. The US engages in child sex trafficking.

funny, the US does respect international law. such is shown by flying outside of Chinese airspace. yet the Chinese on the other hand have proven they do not respect international laws, by falsely extending their territorial border well over 1,000km. where maritime borders in international maritime law gives a country a whole 22.2km for territorial waters. so much for the dishonorable Chinese following international law. in fact if the US were to reciprocate with equitable fairness, they would be literally flying over the Chinese land mass for at least 1,000km from the coast. and likewise build military bases ON Chinese soil, over 1,000km inland from the coast. the fact they have not shows that the US has honor, where China has no honor.

and yet again you choose to deflect using something completely unrelated to the discussion, human trafficking. the fact is that human trafficking is a world wide problem. one in which countries like China play a huge part of. if so many people were not fleeing China for freedom, and their lives. there would not be so many so willing to risk being trafficked, in their bid for freedom. in fact it is countries like China that make human trafficking so lucrative a business. especially for those running the criminal human traffic rings from countries like China. and far from the US federal government engaging in human trafficking, they prosecute human traffickers as a federal crime, when they can be caught. and one of the big reasons that the US and other countries can not find and catch those especially at the top of human trafficking rings, is due to the fact they hide in and run to dishonorable countries like China, where they don't have to fear capture and being turned over to the US and other countries for prosecution.

or by your going on about religions which you so obviously know nothing about. and just what is your new obsession with interfaith marriage? why is it seemingly so important to you to marry someone not of your faith? not only does the government not promote faiths that discourage such marriages, but also does not encourage such marriages. such matters are the sole choice of those getting married. i know a lot of people that marry outside of their religion. there is no government interference at all.

Hitler didn't off himself after killing Jewish kids. He offed himself when the Russian Orthodox Christian army overran his territory.

this would be funny except for showing how little you know about the world. seriously "the Russian Orthodox Christian army", during world war two? considering the Russians had been communists since world war one, and like the Chinese communism, that is based off of Russian communism. they did not stand by religion. in fact the Soviet Union, was more anti-religion, than even China is. in fact it could be far more correctly said that Hitler killed himself when the godless communists overran his territor. considering that Hitler seems to have hated and feared Communists far more than the Jews. in fact Hitler considered communism a Jewish invention, and was at least one of his reasons for his hatred of Jews.

Thank you for your service and lost limbs fighting for David Koresh, Jim Jones, and democracy and Mormonism for Iraqis.

and yet again your rather warped perception and lack of knowledge can be seen by all. fighting for these people, seriously you think this? David Koresh, killed by the government. Jim Jones, a cult leader that left the US for his cult, and killed himself and his members fearing the US government. and Mormonism of all things for the Iraqis? another seemingly strange hangup you have. i have never before you heard of anyone saying the US was fighting for Mormonism of all things. a strange religion to be fighting for, since it would be far more likely they would be fighting against the government. a group most Americans have no real love for (if they even think of them at all). these are the people you think the US is "fighting on behalf of". seriously it sounds like you must have lived your life in some sort of completely closed society, and fed strange propaganda with no real understanding or education of the world, with the strange fixation that China is a beacon of light, morality and honor in an evil world.

a reply to: Miracula2

Why do we need to antagonize the Chinese when the Chinese aren't patrolling our coast or airspace?

Have lots of weapons, have global ambitions, must have enemies.

This is because the US has always stood by the United Nations Convention international laws of the seas and the airspace over it.

China is a signer of this Convention but does not always abide by it.

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originally posted by: generikyet the Chinese on the other hand have proven they do not respect international laws,

And the US gets around this by not signing treaties at all.

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For instance the convention of the rights of the child above, the US is the only state that has not signed it. Nor could they given that promoting the idea that a false prophet like Joseph Smith has the right threaten 14 year old brides with destruction if they leave him or the cult. Which his bride Helen Mar Kimball left both him and the cult and was not destroyed by God.

Moral superiority is something the US pretends to more than it demonstrates. It can't be any more important for a nation which does not allow cults to practice which prohibit signing treaties which protect children than the US can expect that China is going to always abide treaties, which they don't, when the US just doesn't sign them at all.

a reply to: Bedlam

It's already happening.

a reply to: generik

SOMETIMES the US respects international law, when it wants to.

But when it needs to break it, it does so.

a reply to: Salander

So does every other country on earth. There are no countries that are any better than any other. They all are going to do what they think is in their best interest, against international law or not.

a reply to: Zaphod58

I agree very much. And in this case the US is right, but it is being at least aggressive, if not belligerent, sailing through there.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: Salander

So does every other country on earth. There are no countries that are any better than any other. They all are going to do what they think is in their best interest, against international law or not.

They all do what's in their best interests, each nation does.

My point is that the US doesn't have Chinese warships or airplanes off US Coasts. The US is more antagonistic, even when nations like China are being supportive of US interests like stopping coal imports from North Korea.

Not only does the US consider itself morally superior, it even fails to recognize and appreciate support from nations like China.

a reply to: Miracula2

Care to bet there are no Chinese ships around US territory? Unless Hawaii, and Guam aren't US territory. Just like the US ships and planes, they aren't there all the time, but they're there when something is going on.

And, yet again, this so called provocation occurred in international airspace. The US has every right to be in international airspace, as do Chinese planes.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: Miracula2

Care to bet there are no Chinese ships around US territory?

Trying a little too hard for the win aren't you?

a reply to: Miracula2

Not at all. But if you're going to claim that something isn't happening, you should be sure of your facts. You keep acting like China is some holier than thou country that can do no wrong, and doesn't do the same things the US does. And you're so wrong it's not funny. All countries do this type of activity.

It would have been easier, though far less entertaining, to start with your hatred of mormans.

originally posted by: Miracula2
a reply to: intrptr

It's amazing isn't it. The Chinese didn't get to stirred up when we annexed Iraq.


If it were reciprocal, it would be understandable flying B1's over their new island.

No, Attacking Iraq was to cause false flag on Iran and get her to invade. Why did you think there was a massive Iranian protest after Iraqi War and Iran started banning Western new agency?

originally posted by: c2oden
It would have been easier, though far less entertaining, to start with your hatred of mormans.

I don't hate Mormons. I just think any religious organization which promotes manipulating children into marriage by threats of divine wrath should be killed, especially when they threaten honorably discharged veterans of the Coast Guard for asking questions about their faith.

Maybe not their children. But the fathers of these families who are abusing their families by taking them to listen to this cults nonsense should be executed as long as they use threats against other Americans in response to polite questions, the fathers should be executed for abusing their parental authority.

originally posted by: makemap

originally posted by: Miracula2
a reply to: intrptr

It's amazing isn't it. The Chinese didn't get to stirred up when we annexed Iraq.


If it were reciprocal, it would be understandable flying B1's over their new island.

No, Attacking Iraq was to cause false flag on Iran and get her to invade. Why did you think there was a massive Iranian protest after Iraqi War and Iran started banning Western new agency?

Iran-Iraq. They were already at war in the past. It seems to me that Iran during the Iran-Iraq wars was at a far better advantage militarily. And that could have been the reason for Saddam's aggression. Trying to build up wealth to protect his nation by invading Kuwait.

Saddam was the bully kicking sand in the skinny neck weakling. But during the Iran-Iraq war Iran was the bully. And the US willingly helped the underdog in Kuwait, but when Saddam was the underdog with Iran getting his nation pummeled the US did not help him as it did Kuwait. And yet this was after the Iranian hostage crisis when the Iran took US hostages.

It's seem bizarre for the US not to have helped Saddam in following the underdog assistance policy especially after Iran took US hostages.

The US military readily functions much like chameleon changes it colors.

Help Kuwaiti babies getting knocked out of incubators by Saddam's troops, but then starving several hundred thousand Iraqis kids with economic sanctions.