So how is the NSA not a Law Enforcement organization?

When I heard the NSA Director tell us that they are not a Law Enforcement organization im thinking now i know that is a lie. As far as I am concerned any United States Government organization that has the power to invade my privacy without my Knowledge is a Law Enforcement Agency. And should have all the powers of a Law Enforcement organization. He claimed if a crime is in the process or a potential crime they will share the data with the proper authorities. But the thing is you're still collecting data on people without there knowledge/a warrant. I understand the Technology angle i really do. But we dont know how long that data is kept. And if Edward Snowden was wrong when he broke the NSA Scandal why were existing Laws changed on how the NSA does its data mining business?

a reply to: Stevemagegod

They are what they say they are.

People who disagree perish in single car-car accidents and double tap suicides.

It doesn't enforce; it listens. THAT'S its job. Others do the enforcing.

a reply to: Stevemagegod

They are an Intelligence Agency that operates outside of the US. They do not enforce laws, they gather intelligence.
They share information, but do not assess personally. The only assessment they make is if it should be shared.

originally posted by: Stevemagegod
When I heard the NSA Director tell us that they are not a Law Enforcement organization im thinking now i know that is a lie.

It wasn't factual. In fact, I carried a badge and a gun every single day I worked for them. I had more 'jurisdiction' as a federal agent under the NSA umbrella than in any other position (even if it was with the same badge and a similar gun).

originally posted by: Snarl

originally posted by: Stevemagegod
When I heard the NSA Director tell us that they are not a Law Enforcement organization im thinking now i know that is a lie.

It wasn't factual. In fact, I carried a badge and a gun every single day I worked for them. I had more 'jurisdiction' as a federal agent under the NSA umbrella than in any other position (even if it was with the same badge and a similar gun).

Tell us about your long NSA career. We already have someone else who claims to be in the employ of British Intelligence services. I am sure this is all encouraged to be shared in an open internet forum.

And say you are being entirely truthful. Were you able to enforce laws and arrest people within the US?

a reply to: Stevemagegod

You could argue Symantec on that point but there chief is technically correct, they are what they are called a national security agency, there concern is the Security of the united state's not so much it's law's and to enforce that security which is there mandate they will break the law's of there nation and those of other's if necessary in pursuit of there goal.

Technically there mandate put's them above or outside the regular law of the united state's and that is a necessary if unofficial distinction for all national security agency's in the world not just the US NSA.

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: Snarl

originally posted by: Stevemagegod
When I heard the NSA Director tell us that they are not a Law Enforcement organization im thinking now i know that is a lie.

It wasn't factual. In fact, I carried a badge and a gun every single day I worked for them. I had more 'jurisdiction' as a federal agent under the NSA umbrella than in any other position (even if it was with the same badge and a similar gun).

Tell us about your long NSA career. We already have someone else who claims to be in the employ of British Intelligence services. I am sure this is all encouraged to be shared in an open internet forum.

And say you are being entirely truthful. Were you able to enforce laws and arrest people within the US?

I didn't have a long career with them. I spent about four and half years in that particular assignment. My job was to make sure the law wasn't being broken by the guys who listened in on the beginnings of your conversations (which was quite the joke). Those laws were shattered every day to much laughter and knee slapping. You wouldn't believe the things people say to one another over the phone.

What never happened were reports nor the retention of materials recorded.

There's absolutely nothing secret about what I did or when I did it ... IOW ... nothing glamorous. Sorry if that disappoints you.

originally posted by: seasonal
a reply to: Stevemagegod

They are what they say they are.

People who disagree perish in single car-car accidents and double tap suicides.

And Smart Cars will make that job easier

originally posted by: Snarl

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: Snarl

originally posted by: Stevemagegod
When I heard the NSA Director tell us that they are not a Law Enforcement organization im thinking now i know that is a lie.

It wasn't factual. In fact, I carried a badge and a gun every single day I worked for them. I had more 'jurisdiction' as a federal agent under the NSA umbrella than in any other position (even if it was with the same badge and a similar gun).

Tell us about your long NSA career. We already have someone else who claims to be in the employ of British Intelligence services. I am sure this is all encouraged to be shared in an open internet forum.

And say you are being entirely truthful. Were you able to enforce laws and arrest people within the US?

I didn't have a long career with them. I spent about four and half years in that particular assignment. My job was to make sure the law wasn't being broken by the guys who listened in on the beginnings of your conversations (which was quite the joke). Those laws were shattered every day to much laughter and knee slapping. You wouldn't believe the things people say to one another over the phone.

What never happened were reports nor the retention of materials recorded.

There's absolutely nothing secret about what I did or when I did it ... IOW ... nothing glamorous. Sorry if that disappoints you.

I'm not disappointed at all. All you say about surveillance is backed up by Wikipedia.
But as for law enforcement, you were not. Sounds like you were supervising NSA agents and that law. You made it appear as though you were law enforcement in regard to citizens. With the badge and gun and all.

originally posted by: reldra
a reply to: Stevemagegod

They are an Intelligence Agency that operates outside of the US. They do not enforce laws, they gather intelligence.
They share information, but do not assess personally. The only assessment they make is if it should be shared.

You're confusing the NSA for the CIA.

The NSA is the domestic intelligence agency which works concurrent with the DIA or the defense intelligence agency.

CIA is the intelligence agency that deals with foreign espionage.

Coincidentally, they also deal with psychics and UFOs in the homeland but that's all supposed to be hush hush.

originally posted by: ColdWisdom

originally posted by: reldra
a reply to: Stevemagegod

They are an Intelligence Agency that operates outside of the US. They do not enforce laws, they gather intelligence.
They share information, but do not assess personally. The only assessment they make is if it should be shared.

You're confusing the NSA for the CIA.

The NSA is the domestic intelligence agency which works concurrent with the DIA or the defense intelligence agency.

CIA is the intelligence agency that deals with foreign espionage.

Coincidentally, they also deal with psychics and UFOs in the homeland but that's all supposed to be hush hush.

I am not. The NSA collects worldwide intelligence. My question to Snarl was about being a law enforcement person in the US or in general.

The National Security Agency (NSA) is an intelligence organization of the United States federal government responsible for global monitoring, collection, and processing of information and data for foreign intelligence and counterintelligence purposes, a discipline known as signals intelligence (SIGINT).

NSA

The NSA can collect intelligence worldwide (with limited foreign operations). The CIA collects intelligence worldwide with broad foreign operations.

a reply to: reldra

They have domestic programs.

That's where much of the controversies are coming from.

Read the entire wikipedia.

a reply to: reldra

The NSA collects world wide intelligence, yes this is true and I meant to include that in my reply.

But they operate domestically, their surveillance is with technology. There are no NSA consulates in the UK, Germany, Saudi Arabia, etc.

There are, however, CIA consulates in all of those countries.

But I am not disputing that the NSA is not a law enforcement agency, that much is true. But even Snowden's revelations started to blur the line between physical overseas espionage and domestically gathered intelligence of overseas targets.

a reply to: Snarl

You made arrests and executed physical search and arrest warrants as an employee of the NSA?

originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: reldra

They have domestic programs.

That's where much of the controversies are coming from.

Read the entire wikipedia.

I read it.

originally posted by: TobyFlenderson
a reply to: Snarl

You made arrests and executed physical search and arrest warrants as an employee of the NSA?

Great question. If true, we would all like to know.

originally posted by: Stevemagegod
When I heard the NSA Director tell us that they are not a Law Enforcement organization im thinking now i know that is a lie.

They're not. The only law enforcement function that the NSA has is the NSA campus PD at Ft Meade.

As far as I am concerned any United States Government organization that has the power to invade my privacy without my Knowledge is a Law Enforcement Agency. And should have all the powers of a Law Enforcement organization.

If my grandmother had wheels, she'd be a wagon. The term 'law enforcement agency' means something. And the NSA doesn't fall into that category. They don't have enforcement agents, they can't arrest you, there are no NSA jails. Except the one on the Ft Meade campus, of course. Were you to get onto the base and speed badly enough, you would encounter the long arm of the NSA.

originally posted by: ColdWisdom
a reply to: reldra

The NSA collects world wide intelligence, yes this is true and I meant to include that in my reply.

But they operate domestically, their surveillance is with technology. There are no NSA consulates in the UK, Germany, Saudi Arabia, etc.

There are, however, CIA consulates in all of those countries.

But I am not disputing that the NSA is not a law enforcement agency, that much is true. But even Snowden's revelations started to blur the line between physical overseas espionage and domestically gathered intelligence of overseas targets.

I do know the difference. Ty.

a reply to: reldra

And it sounds like you intentionally failed to do your job. You were there to make sure they didn't violate the law, but let them. Should be proud.