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originally posted by: WilliamtheResolute
a reply to: JoshuaCox
The issue remains, Hillary could have made any number of deals with any number of governments....and probably did. Trump has not been charged and there is no evidence...just speculation and innuendo from the MSM. I can see that facts have little impact on your mindset so we will just agree to disagree. I apologize for my lack of patience, generally I am quite tolerant of those with differing opinions but I think I have found a limit.
originally posted by: ClovenSky
a reply to: The GUT
Our benevolent masters are on a complete different level that has nothing to do with the underlying ideals of left vs right. I don't think we should pretend that there isn't a divide among populace on these issues though. The difference is real in the trenches. But our politicians are not part of that battle. They just use it against us.
We need to recognize the intent behind their actions as weakening this country and their attempts at destroying our culture
But we need to figure out safeguards towards a system that power isn't allowed to corrupt. Then we can start cleaning house. If the sheeple are that easily brainwashed into believing the globalist agenda, they can be deprogrammed like getting members out of cult.
originally posted by: SmilingROB
originally posted by: ClovenSky
a reply to: The GUT
Our benevolent masters are on a complete different level that has nothing to do with the underlying ideals of left vs right. I don't think we should pretend that there isn't a divide among populace on these issues though. The difference is real in the trenches. But our politicians are not part of that battle. They just use it against us.
We need to recognize the intent behind their actions as weakening this country and their attempts at destroying our culture
But we need to figure out safeguards towards a system that power isn't allowed to corrupt. Then we can start cleaning house. If the sheeple are that easily brainwashed into believing the globalist agenda, they can be deprogrammed like getting members out of cult.
Forgive my edit some of you thoughts need emphasis.
The answer is not about isolating our selves. It about removing a faction.
originally posted by: blueyedevilwoman
originally posted by: ketsuko
Am I the only person who has had unintentional negative consequences from mistakes I take?
No need for anyone to answer this post either....
No you are not.
Are you suggesting that other nations would not do the same exact stuff to us?
Im not saying it is right or wrong.
I just dont think that you have enough information to make this claim.
Or the pay grade.
But hey,
At least we are still on top of the pile.
so far you are playing defense. Ob's lead and direct .
originally posted by: muzzleflash
originally posted by: blueyedevilwoman
Comes off more like arm chair quarter backing to me.
I get what he is saying. I just think it is misplaced anger...frustration
How is saying that the MSM purposely distracts everyone from the real roots of our problems misplaced?
"Don't assume bad intentions over neglect and misunderstanding"
Read the first few lines of the OP again, I was being sarcastic about how the MSM wants me to care .....
Some one wants you, me, everybody to care about their cause. Wether it's a local charity or a news paper. I'll use news papers as an example. Bill billionaire owns a paper. If he is smart most of his reporters will be fairly balanced but he does have the privilege of choice. His editorialist's can be as slanted as he wants because they are going look at that news and present his slant on things. He will editorialists for many things politics, theatre reviews etc.
Part of the paper are fluffy feel good stuff the new star trek, the academy awards etc.. Does including fluffy show malice?
If you can look at his paper and identify his agenda indicate malice?
"How is it misplaced??"
I have provided my answer to that narrow question.
I'm a damn good QB.
the USA has exerted undue influence over virtually every election in every nation on Earth!
originally posted by: LogicalGraphitti
originally posted by: muzzleflash
a reply to: LogicalGraphitti
I dare you to go read the OP again, slowly.
Read all of it word for word.
It's the brilliant gleaming shining Truth.
I reread it. It looks rock solid.
To logical: I will not sully your points
"I have to say, your title sets the tone. It immediately framed my interpretation of your intent. Then there were some statements that are very subjective and a few inaccuracies."
I agree with you. Set out his assumptions and spun some things for effect. I don't mind a little bit of hyperbole as it keeps us arguing little details
"You say "undue influence" as if it's the only kind of involvement we engage in. Maybe there are cases where our influence was in a nation's favor to prevent a dictator from abusing his power."
I agree with you this has happened has it not? Reducing suffering from tyrants and famines is good goal.
My question for the group. We send food aid to starving-stan and then do things like insist they learn about birth control or make them grace then teach them what that is.
Is this "undue influence"?
"Terrorism - you'd rather destroy the Israelis and give the land back to Palestine? "
I feel the fighting will not stop that easily. Is the US stop assisting in Israel defense they will be gone and a democracy lost. I feel the fighting will continue from greed and religious mania.
Defending democracies is an American principle/goal is doing this "undue influence"
Again, that is a question for the group.
"Central and South America - drugs, yup, big problem ... The point being it's up to a nation to become prosperous."
I agree that a government should be there to help it's people prosper. There is big time drug violence in Mexico feet away from us when visit their resorts, their dentists, their low cost plastic surgeons. We either ignore the problem or buy a baggie.
Wether we buy beer, both or buds we are helping them prosper. Is there an impact to the US we are not seeing. I belief there is.
"Native Americans - truly sad but I blame that on the mentality of the day in the 1700 and 1800's "
I agree with you totally here. Many are good solid citizen's and some carry a chip on their shoulder and wouldn't even help themselves by getting an education. Some tribal council's eventually give on members who wouldn't help them selves.
Please discuss.
originally posted by: trustmeimdoctor
a reply to: SmilingROB
Screw Isreal. We give them a ton of support and they kill people. Why the hell should we continue to support them?