America, All of These Problems Are Your Own Damn Fault!!!

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
First of all it was George Soros and his radical front groups who stirred the pot of the Arab Spring. People like Medea Benjamin of Code Pink and Bill Ayers were in Egypt and even Richard Trumpka bragged about his involvement in it... and it was on Obamas watch.... it wasn't we the people....we just watch in horror.
The CFR, TRC, Bilderbergs, Rothschilds, Club of Rome, And International Bankers are the responsible parties.

The CFR, TRC, etc, are packed full of individuals that serve some form of capacity in our government and in the MSM.

You are ignoring the fact that these types of organizations are defacto part of our government because they are the types of individuals that concoct and implement all of these failed policies, protect them, and then conduct whatever types of propaganda or subterfuge necessary to distract us from these facts while the policies survive and wreak havoc.

The MSM was for sure a large part of the Arab Spring as well, they promoted it and depicted it largely as this awesome thing that everyone worldwide should appreciate and support. They used sensationalism and soundbites to make it look like a great thing that only good events could follow from.

Our government and it's allies in Europe and the Middle East were intimately complicit in this as well due to the involvement of our intelligence agencies and their clandestine activities through various 'networks'. They were the primary channels of communication between NATO aligned governments and various factions within the target nations that had an interest in and incentive to promote the 'revolutions'.

George Soros is not the ultimate global mastermind like he is often presented, that's absurd. If this was all a chess board he, and those of his caliber, are mere knights, bishops, or rooks on the board. They are used by higher powers and principalities for a much greater overall agenda.

originally posted by: muzzleflash

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
First of all it was George Soros and his radical front groups who stirred the pot of the Arab Spring. People like Medea Benjamin of Code Pink and Bill Ayers were in Egypt and even Richard Trumpka bragged about his involvement in it... and it was on Obamas watch.... it wasn't we the people....we just watch in horror.
The CFR, TRC, Bilderbergs, Rothschilds, Club of Rome, And International Bankers are the responsible parties.

The CFR, TRC, etc, are packed full of individuals that serve some form of capacity in our government and in the MSM.

You are ignoring the fact that these types of organizations are defacto part of our government because they are the types of individuals that concoct and implement all of these failed policies, protect them, and then conduct whatever types of propaganda or subterfuge necessary to distract us from these facts while the policies survive and wreak havoc.

The MSM was for sure a large part of the Arab Spring as well, they promoted it and depicted it largely as this awesome thing that everyone worldwide should appreciate and support. They used sensationalism and soundbites to make it look like a great thing that only good events could follow from.

Our government and it's allies in Europe and the Middle East were intimately complicit in this as well due to the involvement of our intelligence agencies and their clandestine activities through various 'networks'. They were the primary channels of communication between NATO aligned governments and various factions within the target nations that had an interest in and incentive to promote the 'revolutions'.

George Soros is not the ultimate global mastermind like he is often presented, that's absurd. If this was all a chess board he, and those of his caliber, are mere knights, bishops, or rooks on the board. They are used by higher powers and principalities for a much greater overall agenda.

Very well put muzzle I
Mostly have to agree with you. Soros does come under the Rothschild tent I hear. The groups of people have stolen the destiny of America which is to lead the world in Freedoms flame and they turned it into the military industrial complex it is today.

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
Reply to Muzzleflash: Do something about it by thinking.... I've been reading a book called "Biocentrism ". It's about quantum theory. Really changing how I see things.

I tend to ascribe to those theories to a certain degree. That is because I see events around me in physical life that flow towards that being a valid explanation of how things work on a fundamental universal physics level.

My reservations are that there is something even more uncanny and profound going on along with something a lot like what you mentioned. I consider it a work in progress rather than a sufficiently complete theory. There's more to all of this to discover and we will gain better understanding as we progress forward.

Thanks for mentioning that because that is part of my reasoning (along with Domino Theory, Cause and Effect, etc).

In addition I believe there should be a balance between the two extreme views that Life creates Reality vs Reality creates Life. I'm not specifically in favor of either and think that the best view is somewhere in between.

I would recommend "Biocentrism" by Lanza and Berman to anyone interested in a great mind opening book and it is educational. But at the same time I stress that moderation and reflection/contemplation are important as well when handling this type of information.

a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

I'm glad you posted and brought up these important issues, because I'd like to elaborate a little bit further on them along with you. My OP was highly generalized and vague as I painted with extremely broad strokes, and I had to design it that way for obvious practical purposes in conveying the general thesis.

Here's some issues I'd like to present for anyone's reading pleasure if they are following along and interested:

The Revolving Door

In politics, the "revolving door" is a movement of personnel between roles as legislators and regulators and the industries affected by the legislation and regulation.

Ok but this expands beyond this. We have people going in between boards of various corporations and multinational organizations orchestrating collusion between them to influence and control economic conditions, political climates, etc.

We also have individuals going between government positions and also serving as members of these 'dinner clubs' or 'societies' such as those listed by you (like the CFR or Bilderburgs, etc).

We have collusion and moving back and forth between government offices, administrative/bureaucratic positions, legislative positions, corporate banking military and other auxiliary entities like foundations.

Along with this I'd like to bring up the concept of "Wearing Many Hats". That's "to have many jobs or roles" either in succession or simultaneously. This concept goes hand in hand with the Revolving Door principle.

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: blueyedevilwoman

Besides all that other confusing miasma you call a reply...

Regurgitating the latest wiki dump.....lol...

Try and get all sides of an argument before you dump on the one you're supposed to. Wiki has a perfect track record, the emails, memos and leaks are not disputed, except by the gubment, main stream media and their minions. They don't dispute them, just attack the messenger (like you are doing).

But I'll bite, which wiki leak has been proven to be a lie?

Lol.

Sorry.....I was busy crying over all the massacred Native Americans you were going on about.

visitowa.com...

I will not be ignored.

How does it feel to be manipulated?

Better yet.

Explain to all of us how Intrprt r is going to take the responsibility of restructuring operations in our military intelligence community.

How would you do it?

Could you?

Without turning us into a third world country, or a nuclear wasteland that is.

I am all ears?

(I apologize if I'm just repeating something that was already posted because I just dropped in here and really don't have time to read the whole thread)

Actually, I don't think the real problem is the US's aspirations to dominate the world. I mean, sooner or later every nation has such aspirations.

The problem is that the US has tried to do it without getting it's hands dirty. Especially since Vietnam. Whatever people think of the Vietnam war (it's purposes or goals or causes) the fact of the matter is that it was a fairly straightforward situation. We were involved in an actual war and we should have been fighting to win. That's what wars are for and you don't have a war with someone, shake hands and call it even.

The nature of the cold war caused a hands off mentality in the US military and government and intelligence community. When they decided that this country or that country was becoming a problem they generally didn't just go to war. They tried to come up with some kind of roundabout way to cause a coup or something in that country and then (if it happened) try to influence the replacement government.

The problem with that is that everyone knew what was up. They knew the US would be reluctant to fight a real war with anyone. Especially after Vietnam.

Now think about this. Imagine you have lots of enemies and all of them know you will not defend yourself proactively. They all know that your policy is to tolerate just about anything unless you're directly attacked.

So the real problem isn't that the US was too aggressive. It's that the US didn't have the stomach for the consequences of any kind of blatant aggression and would always try to deny everything when they got caught doing "underhanded" things. And I say that for lack of a better word because really. Once a country has decided they want to go after somebody, well, that's war. If you play by "good guy" rules you're going to lose.

a reply to: BrianFlanders

Good post. It has merit.

Thanks for chiming in, I appreciate your thoughtfulness and perspective.

originally posted by: blueyedevilwoman

I will not be ignored.

I definitely will not ignore you.
In fact I've been paying very close attention to you. Closer than you suspect.

Plus you let me B1, which I thank you very much for. I waited a long time for that.

a reply to: blueyedevilwoman

Explain to all of us how Intrprt r is going to take the responsibility of restructuring operations in our military intelligence community.

How would you do it?

Could you?

If Abbey Hoffman couldn't exercise the demons from the Pentagram-- I mean Pentagon, I probably couldn't either.

Anti 'Endless War' protest by Americans

You sound chained to Oblivatopia...

a reply to: muzzleflash

That was for your lil buddy actually.

Even though you never answered me about your "in no way evil" plan to overhaul our military and intelligence operations.

Sure, pay all the attention you want.

Just remember you dont speak for me..
If you choose to accept responsibility for things you know very little about, and have absolutely zero control over, that is your business.

When you go even further and follow it up with incorrect remarks about the character of our military and intelligence communities. "They" have families.
And "they" may challenge you here on ATS in front of everybody.


Cool pic. I gave it a star.
I saw one doing a low and slow last week.

It looked like........freedom.

Megatons of freedom.

a reply to: intrptr

Just answer the question little buddy.

Whats the big plan to save us?

originally posted by: blueyedevilwoman
a reply to: intrptr

Just answer the question little buddy.

Whats the big plan to save us?

As in all of history, empires are eventually defeated by their own hand. They become too greedy and expansive, an ally base forms against them and the rest is... history.

a reply to: blueyedevilwoman

Oh ok I get it.

Only the government and military families matter.

The people that suffer under their ultimate power and endless wisdom don't matter and if anyone dares question the endless wars, violence and aftermath they obviously don't know anything and need to sit down, shut up, and let the super smart killers run the show?

Than send the assassins straight for me because I'll be a thorn in your sides as long as you defend the policies of brutality and totalitarianism.

You'll learn to respect lives other than your precious warriors if it's the last thing I do. Everyone matters, and your selfishness will not help you in the end.

We all reap what we sow.
Believe me, I know it all too well.

originally posted by: muzzleflash
a reply to: blueyedevilwoman

Oh ok I get it.

Only the government and military families matter.

The people that suffer under their ultimate power and endless wisdom don't matter and if anyone dares question the endless wars, violence and aftermath they obviously don't know anything and need to sit down, shut up, and let the super smart killers run the show?

Than send the assassins straight for me because I'll be a thorn in your sides as long as you defend the policies of brutality and totalitarianism.

You'll learn to respect lives other than your precious warriors if it's the last thing I do. Everyone matters, and your selfishness will not help you in the end.

We all reap what we sow.
Believe me, I know it all too well.

Yes, exactly!

Sit down and shut up.

Since you obviously are not going to get into a position to actually get in there and "wake everybody uo" in our intelligence community. Im sure they are all in breathless anticipation of muzzleflashes newest wiki revelation and drudge piece.

Yeah you got it all figured out.

Assassins? ???

Thorns??????

You really think you are that important?

Lol.

I hope you are not serious.

Chill dude.
Nobody wants to hurt you.

I slipped up.

Look at how she triggered me into becoming divisive by insulting my intelligence and degrading my character.

I'm easily offended when someone says I don't know what I'm talking about because I am pretty sure I do.

I mean she didn't bother explaining why policy change is a bad idea, she just defended current policy and insinuated that anyone criticizing it for creating all our current crisis simply can't know much of anything.

Also we left out how knowing all these facts or being intelligent isn't everything. Being compassionate or merciful doesn't require a great education it just required a Good Heart.

I feel bad that she baited me into divisiveness and allowed me to see it as us vs them. That's not how it really is!!!

Many great soldiers, govt officers, and their families hate these policies.

She made it out as if they all just implicitly agree support and vehemently defend our sick twisted policies and I fell for it.

For about 5 minutes.
Then I realized she was conniving and perpetuating fiction.

I won't edit my above post.
I want everyone to see how I got pulled in, divided, triggered, insulted and upset.

That way they'll see my mental processes as I wised up to her game plan of derailment.

originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: blueyedevilwoman
a reply to: intrptr

Just answer the question little buddy.

Whats the big plan to save us?

As in all of history, empires are eventually defeated by their own hand. They become too greedy and expansive, an ally base forms against them and the rest is... history.

Sooo.....nothing.

Just what I thought.

Thanks for playing.

originally posted by: muzzleflash
I slipped up.

Look at how she triggered me into becoming divisive by insulting my intelligence and degrading my character.

I'm easily offended when someone says I don't know what I'm talking about because I am pretty sure I do.

I mean she didn't bother explaining why policy change is a bad idea, she just defended current policy and insinuated that anyone criticizing it for creating all our current crisis simply can't know much of anything.

Also we left out how knowing all these facts or being intelligent isn't everything. Being compassionate or merciful doesn't require a great education it just required a Good Heart.

I feel bad that she baited me into divisiveness and allowed me to see it as us vs them. That's not how it really is!!!

Many great soldiers, govt officers, and their families hate these policies.

She made it out as if they all just implicitly agree support and vehemently defend our sick twisted policies and I fell for it.

For about 5 minutes.
Then I realized she was conniving and perpetuating fiction.

I won't edit my above post.
I want everyone to see how I got pulled in, divided, triggered, insulted and upset.

That way they'll see my mental processes as I wised up to her game plan of derailment.

You and intrprtr are the only two I see derailing the thread.

You ever going to let me in on the big plan to save us from all our evil ways?

Without getting us all nuked.

Since you know so much......

I like my idea.

Let the actual experts do the actual job.

If you can do a better job.

Sign up.

Put your money where your mouth is.

a reply to: blueyedevilwoman

Oh I'm not going to do this or that?
I'm not smart enough, good enough, important enough huh?

Your personal attacks don't phase me.
I'm onto your game. It's FAKE.

My thread was awesome, my thread rocked it, I reminded a bunch of people about how fake all the media propaganda is, I won.

Y'all are so mad and jealous.
I don't want to be in your lame think tanks. I told you I'm a Think Bomber, I'm Flyin High above all that crap. My agenda is way bigger than that, I have plans for my life and don't want your peanuts in exchange for my Soul.

I'm gonna sell my Spirit for free to everyone and help them grow as humans and I'll do good things. I'm looking way ahead to my death bed and want to be Happy with myself.

Take those corrupted quasi intelligent think tanks and shove em where the sun don't shine.

I don't want in. It's below me.
I'm a Think Bomber.

a reply to: muzzleflash


Its easy to condescend, see it when people belittle by calling others their 'lil buddy', tell them to shut up, and "Chill Dude",

meh , control freaks expect to beat people into submission that way.

Boo hoo, we have nothing to say, guess I'll go away

originally posted by: blueyedevilwoman

originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: blueyedevilwoman
a reply to: intrptr

Just answer the question little buddy.

Whats the big plan to save us?

As in all of history, empires are eventually defeated by their own hand. They become too greedy and expansive, an ally base forms against them and the rest is... history.

Sooo.....nothing.

Just what I thought.

Thanks for playing.

This threads about my OP.

I offered a solution that works:
Don't buy into the MSM propaganda, think deeply for yourself.

That's all.
That's plenty of solutions for this week.
We can think up more great solutions for the future threads or revive the old threads that contain them.

Thanks.