Rachel Maddow tweets. BREAKING We've got Trump tax returns. Tonight, 9pm ET. MSNBC.

a reply to: Nikola014

No one cares about a 12 year old partial, cherry picked tax return, that Trump leaked to distract us from his deadline to prove his claims against Obama's wiretapping him.

It's the recent tax returns that we're waiting for him to release.

I have not read the whole thread obviously but what I want to add:

While it can be seen morally questionable to cut down tax payments as much as legally possible, most business are doing it, because if not, you´re obviously loosing money. That would be stupid from a commercial view. Then I don´t know how it´s handled in the USA, but here, you can pull plenty of tax returns if you know what you do and know the law. All legally, and no one is questioning it here.

Maybe I´m missing something that is not present/relevant in my country. The point is, no one wants to hand out free money to the government. The whole point of tax returns is, that you get back, what you´ve already paid. It´s your right.

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: Nikola014

No one cares about a 12 year old partial, cherry picked tax return, that Trump leaked to distract us from his deadline to prove his claims against Obama's wiretapping him.

It's the recent tax returns that we're waiting for him to release.

Jeez, are you still crying about Trump paying more than Bernie and Obama!?

a reply to: UKTruth

I told you before, this was never about how much Trumpy does or doesn't pay in taxes. It's about where he gets his money and who he owes, and if his financial ties prevent him from governing in the best interest of the American people, because he's too busy paying his debtors in the way of political favors or lining his and his family's pockets.

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: UKTruth

I told you before, this was never about how much Trumpy does or doesn't pay in taxes. It's about where he gets his money and who he owes, and if his financial ties prevent him from governing in the best interest of the American people, because he's too busy paying his debtors in the way of political favors or lining his and his family's pockets.

Actually there were several anti-Trumpers claiming he was not really rich and paid no taxes. Now that has been dispelled and we know he paid more than Obama and also "1%" Bernie, you're on to the next conspiracy theory.

You better be careful or you will end up crazy and humiliated like Maddow.

You do realise that all his creditors have already been submitted with all his businesses revenue as part of his campaign, right? Do you also realise that you are not entitled to see his tax returns and that there is an investigation going on into any collusion..?... by people actually qualified to do an investigation as opposed to an ant-Trumper trawling through tax returns and concluding that 1+1=3.

You better be careful or you will end up crazy and humiliated like Maddow.

Ouch, Topping that one is certainly tough...

a reply to: UKTruth

Who cares what people "claim" about Trump's wealth? What does that have to do with financial ties and may compromise Trump's ability to govern?

You do realise that all his creditors have already been submitted with all his businesses revenue as part of his campaign, right?

Nope. Not true.

What Trump's tax returns could reveal about Russia

Conservative columnist George Will said on Fox News earlier this week that one of the reasons Trump may be refusing to release his tax returns is that they may show "he is deeply involved in dealing with Russian oligarchs."
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For instance, if Trump claims tax credits for taxes paid to foreign governments, he'd have to reveal the countries where he paid those taxes.
Or you might see if he has any bank accounts in Russia or other countries where Russians like to keep their money.
"Russians like Cyprus. If he's buds with Putin, maybe he keeps some money in Cyprus," said Martin Sullivan, a Tax Analysts contributing editor.
The U.S. government requires filers to disclose money held in foreign bank accounts, or face harsh penalties.

What Trump’s Tax Returns Could Tell Us About His Dealings with Russia

If the public saw Trump's taxes, we could check his Russia connections for ourselves. That should start with the troubling discrepancies in how he and his closest associates talk about his Russia ties. Trump has claimed, for example, that “the reason they blame Russia [for hacking into Democratic emails] is they are trying to tarnish me with Russia. I know about Russia, but not about the inner workings. I have no business there and no loans from Russia. I have a great balance sheet.” But that’s very different from the claims that the Trump Organization was making before he decided to run for president. Trump's son said in 2008 that “Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross section of a lot of our assets” and “we see a lot of money pouring in from Russia.”

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: UKTruth

Who cares what people "claim" about Trump's wealth? What does that have to do with financial ties and may compromise Trump's ability to govern?

You do realise that all his creditors have already been submitted with all his businesses revenue as part of his campaign, right?

Nope. Not true.

What Trump's tax returns could reveal about Russia

Conservative columnist George Will said on Fox News earlier this week that one of the reasons Trump may be refusing to release his tax returns is that they may show "he is deeply involved in dealing with Russian oligarchs."
......
For instance, if Trump claims tax credits for taxes paid to foreign governments, he'd have to reveal the countries where he paid those taxes.
Or you might see if he has any bank accounts in Russia or other countries where Russians like to keep their money.
"Russians like Cyprus. If he's buds with Putin, maybe he keeps some money in Cyprus," said Martin Sullivan, a Tax Analysts contributing editor.
The U.S. government requires filers to disclose money held in foreign bank accounts, or face harsh penalties.

What Trump’s Tax Returns Could Tell Us About His Dealings with Russia

If the public saw Trump's taxes, we could check his Russia connections for ourselves. That should start with the troubling discrepancies in how he and his closest associates talk about his Russia ties. Trump has claimed, for example, that “the reason they blame Russia [for hacking into Democratic emails] is they are trying to tarnish me with Russia. I know about Russia, but not about the inner workings. I have no business there and no loans from Russia. I have a great balance sheet.” But that’s very different from the claims that the Trump Organization was making before he decided to run for president. Trump's son said in 2008 that “Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross section of a lot of our assets” and “we see a lot of money pouring in from Russia.”

From 2015:
www.cnbc.com...

The Federal Election Commission released Donald Trump's presidential financial disclosure report Wednesday, giving the public a look inside the real estate billionaire's vast holdings and wide-ranging sources of income.

You should research more.

Now, what is more important is what value you think you can add to any investigation on Trumps alleged collusion with Russia? Maybe you need to spell out what you can offer and get in touch with the FBI?

I say this because it is already established without doubt that Trump does not need to provide his returns to you AND it was unimportant to his election. This we know, as he is sitting in the Oval Office.

My guess is that you have no valid reason for seeing his returns and zero to add to any investigation.

Yeah!...Whew!...

A twelve year old tax return document is beyond IRRELEVANT...

a reply to: UKTruth

Maybe you need to spell out what you can offer and get in touch with the FBI?

No, I'm not going to spell any more out for you and I refuse to go back to Square One and keep relitigating this with you, again and again, repeating myself over and over.

My guess is that you have no valid reason for seeing his returns and zero to add to any investigation.

This isn't about me. This is about the voices of millions and millions of American's demanding a proper investigation into Trump's ties with Russia. I personally couldn't read Trump's tax returns even if I had them right in front of me. I would need a tax attorney to explain everything, and their implications to me.

That's why we need a special prosecutor to oversee the investigation into ALL the pieces of this puzzle, and subpoena Trump 's recent tax returns in the process.

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: UKTruth

Maybe you need to spell out what you can offer and get in touch with the FBI?

No, I'm not going to spell any more out for you and I refuse to go back to Square One and keep relitigating this you, again and again, repeating myself over and over.

My guess is that you have no valid reason for seeing his returns and zero to add to any investigation.

This isn't about me. This is about the voices of millions and millions of American's demanding a proper investigation into Trump's ties with Russia. I personally couldn't read Trump's tax returns even if I had them right in front of me. I would need a tax attorney to explain everything, and their implications to me. That's why we need a special prosecutor to oversee the investigation into ALL the pieces of this puzzle, and subpoena Trump 's recent tax returns in the process.

The voices of millions and millions of Americans were heard on the 8th November and Trump sits in the Oval Office. Now I can see why people may have demanded the returns before the election in order to make a choice, but unfortunately for you enough said it did not matter to them.

There is no reason to see them now, except the investigative team to determine whether there was or is any collusion to influence the election. No other information is interesting as Russian business dealings in the past have zero bearing on the President right now. So, can you help the investigative team or not? Give them a buzz.

There is the added, rather obvious, point that Trump has already detailed line by line all his income and holdings and all his creditors and all his positions in every company he owns and it has been available from the day he announced he was running.

You seem to think that if he lied on those he would be honest with his tax returns, providing the US govt with two separate sets of numbers. You must really think you are going to get some great revelation . You've listened to Maddow too much, my friend.

a reply to: UKTruth


Many, many legal experts disagree with you, and you arguing with me over the internet changes nothing. There will continue to be investigations on this, and eventually, Trump will have to answer to the charges.

Like I said, this is only beginning. The charges are piling up against Trump and impeachment looks to be a likely outcome.

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: UKTruth


Many, many legal experts disagree with you, and you arguing with me over the internet changes nothing. There will continue to be investigations on this, and eventually, Trump will have to answer to the charges.

Like I said, this is only beginning. The charges are piling up against Trump and impeachment looks to be a likely outcome.

No legal expert agrees with you. The law is that Trump does not need to show you his tax returns. You, or anyone else, arguing that it is valuable for you to see his tax returns will not change the law.

Like I said, all his dealings have been disclosed according with FEC rules, so what you are hoping to find is baffling, unless you actually think he is going to lie on his FEC filing whilst knowing the IRS have his tax returns????

a reply to: UKTruth

No legal expert agrees with you.

What a silly retort! No legal experts have spoken with me. As I told you before, I agree with the many, many legal experts claiming that there is sufficient evidence against Trump to call for a proper investigation to be overseen by a special prosecutor, so that all these piecemealed pieces of evidence can be examined in context and timeline.

Like I said, all his dealings have been disclosed according with FEC rules, so what you are hoping to find is baffling, unless you actually think he is going to lie on his FEC filing whilst knowing the IRS have his tax returns????

LOL

FEC goes after Donald Trump for more than 1,000 violations of campaign finance laws

And....

The financial disclosure comes with two big disclaimers — these are Trump’s self-reported figures, and the FEC requires the candidates to report only in ranges, with “over $50 million” being the highest range.
www.politico.com...

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: UKTruth

No legal expert agrees with you.

What a silly retort! No legal experts have spoken with me. As I told you before, I agree with the many, many legal experts claiming that there is sufficient evidence against Trump to call for a proper investigation to be overseen by a special prosecutor, so that all these piecemealed pieces of evidence can be examined in context and timeline.

Like I said, all his dealings have been disclosed according with FEC rules, so what you are hoping to find is baffling, unless you actually think he is going to lie on his FEC filing whilst knowing the IRS have his tax returns????

LOL

FEC goes after Donald Trump for more than 1,000 violations of campaign finance laws

And....

The financial disclosure comes with two big disclaimers — these are Trump’s self-reported figures, and the FEC requires the candidates to report only in ranges, with “over $50 million” being the highest range.
www.politico.com...

Not so silly as it's a fact that no legal experts agree with your view that Trump must release his tax returns.
People would like him to, but the law is not on their side.

If the FEC is investigating, perhaps you could offer THEM your services? Make a pitch to them.
However, i must warn you that the FEC article actually relates to Super PAC coordination and is from last November. It does not relate to any Russian collusion in the election OR indeed Trumps FEC filing in 2015 where he listed all his income, liabilities and business interests.
There is also this from the article:

While the notice from the FEC doesn’t necessarily implicate Trump’s campaign in illegal activity, it does demand Trump refund any donations over the legal limit within 60 days

I fail to see why this should mean he was legally obliged to show you his tax returns

Face it, you have no valid reason whatsoever to review Trump's tax returns. Any investigation is best left to the experts and not with amateurs like yourself or Racheal Maddow.

a reply to: UKTruth

Not so silly as it's a fact that no legal experts agree with your view that Trump must release his tax returns.

I fail to see why this should mean he was legally obliged to show you his tax returns

I never said that he "must", or that he's legally obligated to release his tax returns. Don't put words in my mouth and dishonestly misrepresent my argument!

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: UKTruth

Not so silly as it's a fact that no legal experts agree with your view that Trump must release his tax returns.

I fail to see why this should mean he was legally obliged to show you his tax returns

I never said that he "must", or that he's legally obligated to release his tax returns. Don't put words in my mouth and dishonestly misrepresent my argument!

You said:

Many, many legal experts disagree with you

Which was in reply to this post of mine:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

What legal aspect were you implying then?

The law is that Trump does not need to show you his tax returns. Period. End of story.

a reply to: UKTruth

The "legal aspects" of a proper investigation into Trump's Russian ties and the appointment of a special prosecutor to evaluate the EVIDENCE. I suggested that that investigative committee should/would subpoena Trump's recent tax records.

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: UKTruth

The "legal aspects" of a proper investigation into Trump's Russian ties and the appointment of a special prosecutor to evaluate the EVIDENCE. I suggested that that investigative committee should/would subpoena Trump's recent tax records.

The investigation is different to you seeing his tax returns.

I don't disagree that the investigation could and probably should subpoena Trump's tax records, but what has that got to do with you seeing them, or Racheal Maddow for that matter?