The Perfect Law of God

a reply to: ScatteredThirdAngel

Here is a video of what I have learned, and continued to learn about God's Law of Love, the 10 Holy Commandments.

Good video!

Have you considered "Though shall not kill".
For if you persecute even the smallest of Gods creatures, you persecute God Himself. For His spirit dwelleth in all creatures.
If you raise your hand over a tiny spider it will cower in fear of you. For it is aware. The animals see us as Gods. Yet, look how they are treated. They are our neighbour's and our friends. But we persecute them none the less.
Daniel himself could not receive his gifts of vision and interpretation on the kings diet. He refuted meat and wine. And still the Christian shepherds merrily do both, enjoying the food of wolves. Then what of the Christian flock? How are they to know better? When there very teachers break the command. "Though shall not kill"
Twisting the word to be murder???? Yet I will tell you that to take the life of an animal is murder.

You cannot understand Gods love when you break this very command. Nor can you receive the full portion of the gifts waiting for you.

If you question or doubt what I say then take a blade to the throat of your next meal. That is, if you are an enjoyer of the kings diet. But we all know that our hearts would reel should we commit such an act ourselves.

originally posted by: Bleeeeep
a reply to: ScatteredThirdAngel

Really good only I think you should have approached it differently.

Instead of making it seem like you were replacing each commandment tit for tat - making it seem like you were being a legalist and directly trying to fulfill the law - you should have expressed that you were showing how love fulfills the law indirectly. That is to say, you should make it known that the goal is not to fulfill the law of Moses but to walk in the Spirit.

e.g. If you stay on the sidewalk to keep your shoes clean, you are indirectly fulfilling the law of Keep off Grass. Thus, walking on the sidewalk fulfills the law.

Side note: I think the law of Moses was probably always meant to be fulfilled by following in the Spirit. If you look at who was deemed justified by faith, it was those who faithfully walked in the Spirit / walked with God, that were justified - not those who faithfully adhered to the letter of the law.

The 10 Commandments are not the law of Moses, but the law of God. The 10 Commandments were in Christ's heart, and He magnified them and made them honourable.

Psalms 40:8  I delight to do thy will, O my God: yea, thy law is within my heart.

Isaiah 42:21  The LORD is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he will magnify the law, and make it honourable.

A man who does not give when it is in the power of his hand to do it, steals. This is theft, by withholding. Withhold not good from them to whom it is due. For if you do not this:

1 John 3:17  But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?

Christ did not come to destroy the 10 Commandments, but He came to fulfill. His teachings, and His works testified to the love that He had for us, which love is told we ought to have for our neighbors, and the supreme love that we are to have for God. This love is explained in the law, by the Word of God, written by the Spirit of God, that we may walk as the Word who became flesh.

Matthew 5:17-19  Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.  18  For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.  19  Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Jesus Christ has become the LAW for us. He that follows the law will be a like a curse because they will always fail. But our LORD Jesus Christ did not fail and he completed it. Our law is His sacrifice and re-living for us. This is HIS glory. As those that believe on him receive his HOLY SPIRIT. This gives us his transformation LAW in us. In our very heart and soul of the matter.

We do not seek our efforts but we seek his effort FOR US. Ours is not a set of rules but of POWER. For this is the POWER of God that saves, that changes, and that lives FOREVER and EVER!

I will put this in simple terms. If you are trying to do this without HIM you are doomed. Come to his sacrifice and follow through, in JESUS name. Amen!

originally posted by: Created
Jesus Christ has become the LAW for us. He that follows the law will be a like a curse because they will always fail. But our LORD Jesus Christ did not fail and he completed it. Our law is His sacrifice and re-living for us. This is HIS glory. As those that believe on him receive his HOLY SPIRIT. This gives us his transformation LAW in us. In our very heart and soul of the matter.

We do not seek our efforts but we seek his effort FOR US. Ours is not a set of rules but of POWER. For this is the POWER of God that saves, that changes, and that lives FOREVER and EVER!

I will put this in simple terms. If you are trying to do this without HIM you are doomed. Come to his sacrifice and follow through, in JESUS name. Amen!

Jesus perfectly obeyed the law. And those who walk after Christ sometimes make mistakes, and fail to represent Christ. How can you represent Christ when you refuse to walk the very same way Christ did?

Our law is His sacrifice? What do you mean by that? We are to do as Christ commands, and He commands us nothing except what the Father would command us. Therefore, we would keep the law, and be perfect like Christ, as He is.

James 2:18  Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

I am not trying to walk without Christ, nor are those who are looking to God's Holy Law the same way Christ did. That is a common misconception. I am doing what Christ did, while believing in His merits to fully redeem me. And Christ did not fail to keep a single precept.

a reply to: ScatteredThirdAngel

1.Think of these words as images of
2.my speaking of/my translation of
3.my will/my spirit.

1.These words are of
2.my conception of
3.my will.

1. Son/letter of law
2. Father/precepts of law
3. Spirit/will of law

Words are meant to lead you to the conception of will.

God's will for us is love. His precepts are his prescription of love.

If you walk in the will of God, you will fulfill the precepts and letter of the law, as the precepts and words are the measure and image of God's will (to love God and love each other.)



What you said in the video is not love or "think opposite" but your form of legalism or "how love is to be prescribed and followed by the letter". But you shouldn't do that - instead, just stay in the Spirit. Don't walk in the Word - follow the Word into the Spirit, and walk there, with him.

Law of God



Edit: I don't want to discourage you because I think you actually had the answer before you started prescribing words to it. "Do the opposite", was perfect - it expressed, perfectly, the spirit of the words - there was no need to legalize it.

originally posted by: DayAfterTomorrow
a reply to: namelesss
LOVE covers all other laws that could apply. Read the Dhammapada to see the one law that reflects you Avatar by its Dharma.

I think it foolish to call unconditional Love a 'law', other than in a very metaphoric/poetic sense!
Law is duality/ego, conditional! Unconditional Love/Enlightenment is.. UNCONDITIONAL!
One cannot be bullied (by potential legal consequences) to 'make the right choices' (obey the law).
And, again telling, is that you suggest that I go read a book to learn of Self!
(Not that books are not, also, features of Self!)
That'd be schizophrenia if that were the case! *__-

PS; I make no claims in my choice of avatar.
Besides, it's been photoshopped! *__-

a reply to: namelesss

Is there any law that can be added to love if we all follow love as a single law?

a reply to: DayAfterTomorrow

The problem, though, is that God doesn't want us following "the law" - he wants us following him. He doesn't want our works - he wants us, so that he might work through us. But legalists lose sight of that - legalists think that, if they follow the 10 commandments, or if they follow the 600+ commandments, then they will be justified - but they won't be because we cannot justify ourselves.

If God is love, then we should keep his commandments, but follow him in the Spirit.

e.g. With my words, I will rebuke you and say, "thou shalt not stick thy hand in fire", but when I say that in the flesh, it is because my spirit is saying, "I love you and don't want you to get burned - I want you to be spotless."

a reply to: DayAfterTomorrow

Define 'love'.
Love GOD and love your neighbour? What does that look like?
What if GOD's grasp of love doesn't match yours?
Do unto others as you would have done to you? Should we exclude masochists?

a reply to: Bleeeeep

God is love (the Law).

a reply to: Lucius Driftwood

1 John 4.

Galatians 5

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.

a reply to: Lucius Driftwood

See # 15

originally posted by: Lucius Driftwood
a reply to: DayAfterTomorrow

Define 'love'.
Love GOD and love your neighbour? What does that look like?
What if GOD's grasp of love doesn't match yours?
Do unto others as you would have done to you? Should we exclude masochists?

Go see the movie, 'The Shack.' Love is expressed in sincere action from the heart of compassion. To know what it looks like, you must realize it by either receiving it yourself from another, or giving it to others. Eyes open to the higher mind from this and only this. While meditation is necessary to experience the other state of consciousness, only suffering can remove suffering.

Put this into a simple context. On the walls of the Luxor temple in Egypt, we find this aphorism:

For every joy, there is a price to pay.

As this is a turning phrase, it can be stated relative.

For every price you pay, there is a joy.

Let's say a person smokes tobacco products. Would you say they take a joy ending in suffering eventually? Flip this. Compare to a person who overcomes the desire for self-gratification in the form of tobacco products, choosing instead to go to the gym to suffer the work of regular exercise. Who lives longer, experiencing the joy of health? Who has a healthier household, with children free from second hand smoke? Who gains more from life?

This law of returns is the same as reaping and sewing; the same as cause and effect. Put this into a framework of love for the other members of your family and the choice to suffer for them removes suffering, replacing it with joy that lasts. The strongest families on Earth are the ones centered on this type of giving over self-gratification. In the Bible, this is personified by Moloch, or sacrifice of a child for immediate gain.

We can easily identify Moloch in the members of Wall Street that ripped off the world in derivatives, or the selfish dictator serving his own needs over those of his kingdom, or the president serving oil interests instead of ending our dependence on oil. Moloch is a Spirit, or way of thinking (mind to action). Love requires that we suffer to end the suffering of others. When the truth of this is seen clearly, there is only joy by every noble act. When the higher truth is known, we then follow logically to this: Fruititive actions with no attachment to the fruit of the action. Selfless. Good for its own sake. A noble act arises naturally when a person serves others rather than the self. All decisions made for the betterment of others becomes love realized.

Read this first chapter of the Dhammapada: LINK

originally posted by: DayAfterTomorrow
a reply to: namelesss
Is there any law that can be added to love if we all follow love as a single law?

I am still having the most difficult time with accepting unconditional Love as a 'Law'.
Laws, all and every one of them, are exercises in the duality/limitations of the ego.
Unconditional Love completely, utterly transcends all 'limitations', all 'duality', all 'life' and 'death', all 'time' and 'space'...!
That is why there can be no 'definition' (boundaries/limitations) of the transcendental (unconditional, unlimited, Omni-!), Consciousness, Love, the 'unconditional'.

On the other hand, Love CAN be recognized by it's symptoms;

True, unconditional Love is ALWAYS Known by It's unconditional Virtues; Compassion, Empathy, Sympathy, Gratitude, Humility, Charity (charity is never taking more than your share of anything, ever!), Honesty, Happiness, Faith...
ALWAYS!

“Your task is not to seek for Love, but merely to seek and find all the barriers within yourself that you have built against it.” - Rumi

Love is not something that we 'find/follow', it is Who We Are, a state of Being!

Perhaps we can 'fake it' until we make it?
If we fake it well enough, we already made it! *__-

tat tvam asi (en.wikipedia.org...)

a reply to: namelesss

“Your task is not to seek for Love, but merely to seek and find all the barriers within yourself that you have built against it.” - Rumi

That's a nice Rumi quote. I think you hit on the fact that Love contains all other virtues. As a law to follow, I think the ancients recognized that the highest good anyone can achieve is to reflect Agape in all circumstances.

originally posted by: Woodcarver
a reply to: ScatteredThirdAngel

how many of the commandments have you broken?

I don't know why but something one of my bosses said to me just popped into my head. "I've had every job there is for at least 3 days."

originally posted by: Bleeeeep
a reply to: ScatteredThirdAngel

1.Think of these words as images of
2.my speaking of/my translation of
3.my will/my spirit.

1.These words are of
2.my conception of
3.my will.

1. Son/letter of law
2. Father/precepts of law
3. Spirit/will of law

Words are meant to lead you to the conception of will.

God's will for us is love. His precepts are his prescription of love.

If you walk in the will of God, you will fulfill the precepts and letter of the law, as the precepts and words are the measure and image of God's will (to love God and love each other.)

 

What you said in the video is not love or "think opposite" but your form of legalism or "how love is to be prescribed and followed by the letter". But you shouldn't do that - instead, just stay in the Spirit. Don't walk in the Word - follow the Word into the Spirit, and walk there, with him.

Law of God

 

Edit: I don't want to discourage you because I think you actually had the answer before you started prescribing words to it. "Do the opposite", was perfect - it expressed, perfectly, the spirit of the words - there was no need to legalize it.

The 10 Commandments are the law of love. God wrote out how to love in that law. Perfect love is defined therein. And there is no sin, in zealously keeping the commandments, for he who does that zealously obeys his Creator.

originally posted by: Bleeeeep
a reply to: DayAfterTomorrow

The problem, though, is that God doesn't want us following "the law" - he wants us following him. He doesn't want our works - he wants us, so that he might work through us. But legalists lose sight of that - legalists think that, if they follow the 10 commandments, or if they follow the 600+ commandments, then they will be justified - but they won't be because we cannot justify ourselves.

If God is love, then we should keep his commandments, but follow him in the Spirit.

e.g. With my words, I will rebuke you and say, "thou shalt not stick thy hand in fire", but when I say that in the flesh, it is because my spirit is saying, "I love you and don't want you to get burned - I want you to be spotless."

God's law is His will. You can't keep His law, yet fail to follow Him. It doesn't make sense. The Law is an expression of His will and character. It is not legalism to obey God in what He commands.

I find it interesting that most Christians want to put the 10 Commandments on display in the public grounds but never the Beatitudes.

"Blessed are the peacemakers: for they will be called children of God. "

The US dropped 23,000 bombs on five predominately Muslim countries in 2015. And every one is a sin against Jesus.