The Perfect Law of God

originally posted by: Isurrender73
a reply to: Raggedyman


None of the commandments get in the way of Love.

Why would you be disobedient to the law? Why would you use your freewill to be disobedient?

So Jesus didnt work on the sabath, didnt allow the apostles to ???
Although Jesus taught love, I bet you hate homosexuals, can you reconcile that for me?


So you tell me what laws I should keep and what ones I dont need to


Don't wear clothes made of more than one fabric (Leviticus 19:19)

Don't cut your hair nor shave. (Leviticus 19:27)

Any person who curseth his mother or father, must be killed. (Leviticus 20:9)

If a man cheats on his wife, or vise versa, both the man and the woman must die. (Leviticus 20:10).

If a man sleeps with his father's wife... both him and his father's wife is to be put to death. (Leviticus 20:11)

If a man sleeps with his wife and her mother they are all to be burnt to death. (Leviticus 20:14)

If a man or woman has sex with an animal, both human and animal must be killed. (Leviticus 20:15-16).

If a man has sex with a woman on her period, they are both to be "cut off from their people" (Leviticus 20:18)

Psychics, wizards, and so on are to be stoned to death. (Leviticus 20:27)

If a priest's daughter is a whore, she is to be burnt at the stake. (Leviticus 21:9)

People who have flat noses, or is blind or lame, cannot go to an altar of God (Leviticus 21:17-18)

Anyone who curses or blasphemes God, should be stoned to death by the community. (Leviticus 24:14-16)

What about circumcision, where are you on that


What ones do YOU want me to follow, what ones dont I need to follow according to your theology Isurrender
I would like to know what ones we keep and what ones we let go

Please go and listen to the book of Romans on Youtube before answering me


Why would I use freewill to be disobedient, I guess that because I am human, weak and not worthy of Christ

You sound like the rich young ruler to me, thats a warning

Go read the Sermon on the mount

originally posted by: ScatteredThirdAngel
The Perfect Law of God

Nonsense!
Jesus' unconditional Love transcends all 'laws' and 'rituals' and 'rules'!
Freedom from all that crap! That is the Free that the Truth makes you!
There is no 'perfect law' unless a metaphor of (the 'law of) Love', but it is not something that can just be willfully accomplished, like we can obey the speed limit if over 30! *__-
A Xtian doesn't need the Bible/old testament, or the ten commandments!
None of it, or you are denying Jesus, and have no clue what Jesus is all about!
And anything that the new testament says about having to obey any 'law', is erroneous!
There are many errors in the book!

a reply to: Raggedyman

What?
I dont understand
What has Buddhism to do with Christianity and Judaism

Everything. The roots of all religion comes from the definitions in Hindu, Zen, Taoist and Buddhist traditions. Love requires no bias against others. Shedding blood is not just killing, it is judgment of others. Neutral can only be unbiased, testing all things and loving all people. Genesis 9:6 are the words of a Father to a Son (LORD). If you use the Names of God Bible on Biblegateway, you will discover that Yahweh and Elohim are not the same. The Lord was revealed as a Son in the NT, not the Father. Note the words here:

6 “Whoever sheds human blood,
by humans shall their blood be shed;
for in the image of God
has God made mankind.
7 As for you, be fruitful and increase in number; multiply on the earth and increase upon it.”

8 Then God said to Noah and to his sons with him: 9 “I now establish my covenant with you and with your descendants after you 10 and with every living creature that was with you—the birds, the livestock and all the wild animals, all those that came out of the ark with you—every living creature on earth. 11 I establish my covenant with you: Never again will all life be destroyed by the waters of a flood; never again will there be a flood to destroy the earth.”

Was the Lord's blood shed on the cross for his wrath and judgment in the OT (shed by human hands)? Yes, by his own first Son Israel. Adam is Elohim's first son. Did he say to NOT judge and that an eye for an eye was not the correct path? Yes. This is repentance, which is the cost he paid relative to that of the Host he taught to do the same.

Elohim then stated that ALL generations would be blessed. Not just one color (Israel), but ALL the colors of the rainbow. Buddhism is a beautiful color, reflecting the Neutral / Positive of all physics and creation. It is Calculus to the Bible's addition and subtraction. Love requires that we drop the judgment of others. ALL others, including the wrongly identified Heathen.

If you want to know the Bible, study the Dharma. The Dhammapada and Tao Te Ching is the key to understanding the Bible. They are master keys to the knowledge that the 'experts in the law' have hidden by changing the names in the Bible to Lord and God.

"Woe to you experts in the law, because you have taken away the key to knowledge. You yourselves have not entered, and you have hindered those who were entering."

Each person has a lower nature, just as Jesus and Yahweh were higher and lower natures to each other. I explain this here:

Be Confused No More - Behind the Veil Part 1

a reply to: namelesss

Go to my Dhammapada link. Love IS the law. One law, which reflects all the jewels of Indra's Net:

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.

One law. LOVE covers all other laws that could apply. Read the Dhammapada to see the one law that reflects you Avatar by its Dharma.

"Look how he abused me and hurt me,
How he threw me down and robbed me."
Live with such thoughts and you live in hate.
"Look how he abused me and hurt me,
How he threw me down and robbed me."
Abandon such thoughts, and live in love.
In this world
Hate never yet dispelled hate.
Only love dispels hate.
This is the law,
Ancient and inexhaustible.

a reply to: DayAfterTomorrow

I don't see any justice in your theory

They may well be your master keys but they are not mine, I see no logic or love and compassion in eastern religions.
Just nothing and hate
Hinduism, karma, you deserve your pain, no love, no compassion
Hinduism disgusts me sorry.
Asia, where those religions run amok are sewers, cess pits of humanity, they need Jesus
If the places that your religion were better than western society, maybe your argument could be valid, they are most certainly not

originally posted by: Raggedyman
You do know we are not under the law, unless you are Jewish
Christians are not under the law, we do what we think will serve God and others because we love, not because we are under the law.

If you accept the 10 commandments as a given, arnt you denying Gods grace in Christ
Even Paul said " All things are lawful, not all things are edifying.

I am embarrassed by this christianity here, it's lost and confused, it's trying to marry two religions, it's like wearing linen and wool, biblically forbidden.

Jesus did work on the sabath, he is denying the bible to justify his own misunderstandings.

As Christians we are saved by grace through Jesus, we show the fruit of the Holy Spirit and live as the Sermon on the Mount taught.
We are not Jews, go read Romans, it's very clear

Two rules, both are love
Love God, love each other, that's the principles of Christianity, that bloke is turning it into a religion

It's a lie

Are you declaring that Christians under the influence of the Holy Spirit will break the 10 Commandments?

originally posted by: Raggedyman

originally posted by: DISRAELI
a reply to: ScatteredThirdAngel
This is probably what James means by the odd phrase "that perfect law, the law of liberty" (ch1 v25 and also ch2 v12).

How can that be a liberty when religion binds people up.
Worship on the sabath, that's silly, every day is the sabath in Christ,
We live as Jesus taught because we love Jesus, not because we follow Jewish law or commandments
If we start fulfilling the law like Jews, why not fulfill them and and then rely on our own works to attain salvation
Why do we need Jesus

Psalms 119:45  And I will walk at liberty: for I seek thy precepts.

King David said that he will walk at liberty, for he sought the Lord's precepts. Those who sin, are servants of sin. Those who walk after the precepts of God, seek liberty. Therefore, the law of Liberty, is the law of the 10 Commandments.

John 8:34-36  Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.  35  And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.  36  If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

originally posted by: ScatteredThirdAngel

originally posted by: Raggedyman
You do know we are not under the law, unless you are Jewish
Christians are not under the law, we do what we think will serve God and others because we love, not because we are under the law.

If you accept the 10 commandments as a given, arnt you denying Gods grace in Christ
Even Paul said " All things are lawful, not all things are edifying.

I am embarrassed by this christianity here, it's lost and confused, it's trying to marry two religions, it's like wearing linen and wool, biblically forbidden.

Jesus did work on the sabath, he is denying the bible to justify his own misunderstandings.

As Christians we are saved by grace through Jesus, we show the fruit of the Holy Spirit and live as the Sermon on the Mount taught.
We are not Jews, go read Romans, it's very clear

Two rules, both are love
Love God, love each other, that's the principles of Christianity, that bloke is turning it into a religion

It's a lie

Are you declaring that Christians under the influence of the Holy Spirit will break the 10 Commandments?

I cant imagine how you think
I cant understand how you apply logic

a reply to: Raggedyman

I don't see any justice in your theory. They may well be your master keys but they are not mine, I see no logic or love and compassion in eastern religions. Just nothing and hate.

You are not very familiar with the concepts, or you would not say this. The people of these traditions are the most peaceful on the planet, yet like any tradition, there are those who take it directly to objectivism and selfishness. Without any of the traditions, the one law of Love is ancient and needs no other law in addition to it. They tyranny you live under today is a result of the one law being ignored. ATS says, deny Ignorance.

originally posted by: ScatteredThirdAngel


Psalms 119:45  And I will walk at liberty: for I seek thy precepts.

King David said that he will walk at liberty, for he sought the Lord's precepts. Those who sin, are servants of sin. Those who walk after the precepts of God, seek liberty. Therefore, the law of Liberty, is the law of the 10 Commandments.

John 8:34-36  Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.  35  And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.  36  If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

Psalms, they are real good, but I am not a Jew, I am a christian.
Jesus has me, I am not subject to the law, I am not subject to the Temple, I dont have to sacrifice animals or anything else. I have been commanded to love not follow Mosaic law.
Love over law, if you havnt understood that you dont understand Jesus

John 8:34-36New International Version (NIV)

34 Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, everyone who sins is a slave to sin. 35 Now a slave has no permanent place in the family, but a son belongs to it forever. 36 So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.

Exactly right, you have read it and still dont see what is written

Who was Jesus speaking to in that verse, I bet you didnt read that part
I am a servant/son of God through Jesus, Jesus has set me free, if I sin, I am still free because of Christs love, thats called grace.


Working on following the 10 commandments is striving in works, you are at work for a gift already given.
I am not under the law, I am sorry you cant understand that
What is the point of Christs death if we as christians have to still work, still follow the law. Jesus killed religion
The law was a way to God, we now have Jesus.
The law is irrelevant
We have Jesus, the New Covenant, you are living as if under the Old Covenant of Judaism, the law.

Romans 7:20
And if I do what I do not want, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.

Please read the verses
John 8, 31 to 47, in context

maybe even watch this

originally posted by: Isurrender73

God is not dualistic.

1 John 1:5
This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light; in him there is no darkness at all.

God can be a mean son of a bitch too, doing Vendetta revenge (EXODUS 20:5) and exterminate 75% of the people of the world, during The Great Tribulation: en.wikipedia.org...

a reply to: Raggedyman

What is the point of Christs death if we as christians have to still work, still follow the law.

What is the point of everything Jesus taught IF there is no work...

This is the fault of Paul... Faith alone is dead

Spiritual work is not done to attain some gift as so many Christians like to preach...

Its done because its right

get away from Paul and his rhetoric...

its good for nothing, and the reason Jesus said to some of his followers, I never knew you

originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: Raggedyman

What is the point of Christs death if we as christians have to still work, still follow the law.

What is the point of everything Jesus taught IF there is no work...

This is the fault of Paul... Faith alone is dead

Spiritual work is not done to attain some gift as so many Christians like to preach...

Its done because its right

get away from Paul and his rhetoric...

its good for nothing, and the reason Jesus said to some of his followers, I never knew you

I love Paul, think you misunderstand him and his teachings.
We have been over this Ak, why do you do this every time

Pauls theology is perfect in my opinion, lets agree to disagree

Loving each otehr is not done to attain some gift as so many Christians like to preach...

Its done because we love Jesus

a reply to: Raggedyman

We have been over this Ak, why do you do this every time

trying to drill it into your head i suppose...

Love requires action or its just words...

Disagree with the idea that action is required and you disagree with your savior... its as simple as that

originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: Raggedyman

We have been over this Ak, why do you do this every time

trying to drill it into your head i suppose...

Love requires action or its just words...

Disagree with the idea that action is required and you disagree with your savior... its as simple as that

Drill it into my head, very fundamentalist of you Ak
Yes love requires actions, based on loving Jesus, not because its a work, not because, it is a fruit, it occurs because of the Holy Spirit
A christian is saved by grace, the actions, by the Spirit evolving in the person

Do me a favour, watch the youtube link.
Thats what I believe, you cant change me
If you cant live with that, thats your problem

You know that Wesboro church try and drill things into peoples heads

a reply to: Raggedyman

Its a figure of speech...

I don't care if you disagree with Jesus, thats really your issue... as i've said many times before, most Christians prefer paul over him anyways... it just makes me sad

His is the easy road... no work, just believe in the death of a man, and the spilling of his blood for redemption

Basically still stuck on the old laws, completely ignoring the fact that Jesus said specifically that work is part of it all... most of his teaching are about exactly that.

whatever though brother...

originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: Raggedyman

Its a figure of speech...

I don't care if you disagree with Jesus, thats really your issue... as i've said many times before, most Christians prefer paul over him anyways... it just makes me sad

His is the easy road... no work, just believe in the death of a man, and the spilling of his blood for redemption

Basically still stuck on the old laws, completely ignoring the fact that Jesus said specifically that work is part of it all... most of his teaching are about exactly that.

whatever though brother...

Cant stop drilling can you Ak
Cant stop being a fundy

You truly have no concept of Gods love and grace, Paul did.

a reply to: Raggedyman

LOL...

Assumptions mean nothing...

But IF you follow Paul, you can definitely feel safe in knowing God's love is not in you

I'll have nothing to do with that Pharisee...

Jesus is my man

a reply to: ScatteredThirdAngel

Really good only I think you should have approached it differently.

Instead of making it seem like you were replacing each commandment tit for tat - making it seem like you were being a legalist and directly trying to fulfill the law - you should have expressed that you were showing how love fulfills the law indirectly. That is to say, you should make it known that the goal is not to fulfill the law of Moses but to walk in the Spirit.

e.g. If you stay on the sidewalk to keep your shoes clean, you are indirectly fulfilling the law of Keep off Grass. Thus, walking on the sidewalk fulfills the law.

Side note: I think the law of Moses was probably always meant to be fulfilled by following in the Spirit. If you look at who was deemed justified by faith, it was those who faithfully walked in the Spirit / walked with God, that were justified - not those who faithfully adhered to the letter of the law.

a reply to: ware2010

heard a voice.... interesting, but I guess your "religious" so that is normal. good day to you.

Yeh its normal.