Democratic Socialists of America Triples Membership Since Trump

originally posted by: Swills
a reply to: ketsuko

We spend wayyyy more on war and the MIC. If what you say is true then we are not getting our monies worth since the US doesn't even make the top 10 list in education.

Nope.

We aren't getting our money's worth. Why do you think so many are advocating for public education reform and school choice instead of simply continuing to chuck more money down the hole?

If all the money thus far hasn't brought about change, then it's highly unlikely more will do it too, and if all other countries are realizing better results for less, then the problem lies in other areas than simple lack of funding.

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

What do you consider Canada?

a reply to: xuenchen

I applaud these people and I think their time has come, they have a bright futer!

One, I admire them because they, unlike most leftist Democrats have the courage of their convictions. They admit they are socialists.

They have a bright future because they represent the unproductive taker class and with AI and robotics there will be ever more none productive useless eaters to fill their ranks.

Kudos!

a reply to: vonclod

What do you consider Canada?

I don't even know anymore.

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Well it sure the hell is not North Korea..my impression of Democratic Socialism is somewhat Canada like..I could be wrong though.

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

If you're looking for parallels with North Korean leaders, how about starting with our own Dear Leader Trump?

Vilifies the free press? Check. Claims he and his spineless sycophants are the only source of reliable information? Check. Textbook cult of personality? Check. Blames outsiders for the nation's ills? Check. Promotes extreme nationalism and isolationism at all costs? Check.

He literally wanted a parade of tanks and missile launchers at his inauguration: nypost.com...

Sound familiar?

Let's face it: MAGA is basically just American Juche.

a reply to: heyguysimashill

Niiiiccce

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Not American eh? Where ya from?

I ain't going anywhere near them locations, smile or frown. Too dangerous and it's only getting worse.

Have you made a thread about your trip to NoKo? If not, you should probably do that because none of us have any idea what it's like there. Bonus points if you got pics, of supermarkets.

a reply to: ketsuko

Well, the problem is bureaucrats are in charge of the curriculum and make schools adhere to mandates in our order for them to receive funding. Instead, actual educators, you know teachers and school administrators, should at least be consulted on these mandates because education is what they do for a living, not penny pinching politicians. Politicians who get together with their donors and come up with ideas is clearly destroying this country.

originally posted by: Swills
a reply to: ketsuko

Well, the problem is bureaucrats are in charge of the curriculum and make schools adhere to mandates in our order for them to receive funding. Instead, actual educators, you know teachers and school administrators, should at least be consulted on these mandates because education is what they do for a living, not penny pinching politicians. Politicians who get together with their donors and come up with ideas is clearly destroying this country.

That requires local control. Local control requires that you get all the big money out of education which would require you break the teachers' union for one. Then you have to break the textbook and test consortium. Finally, you have to stop with the idea that education is about social engineering which is one of the attracters to making it a federal enterprise.

a reply to: ketsuko

I'm all for local control and the Feds stop with their demands to met before giving each state monies for public schools.

I'm all for our tax dollars to be spent properly (lol) and oversight is needed but the current system is awful and needs to be greatly revamped or removed and one that works in.

Mean while we have folks like representative Steve King making overtures to far rightist in Europe, no thread on that yet I presume.

originally posted by: vonclod
a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Well it sure the hell is not North Korea..my impression of Democratic Socialism is somewhat Canada like..I could be wrong though.

Their health care is free, not much different than the USA other than that.

Of course Democratic Socialists will grow. Democratic socialism grows from the bottom up. God knows the lower levels of society were badly represented by Hilary, who should never have run. I am a lifelong Democrat and have become horrified at the disconnect between the party Hacks and the average person. Trump was never an option for me.

OK it is a small part now but it can grow to be at least influential.

a reply to: Swills

How about not having system?

Just let states or localities figure it out? Kids are different. Areas are different. What works in one area, for one school doing it one way may be a unique set of factors for that area, even at that particular time.

Sure, you can send in observers to see how they are doing it, but those observers may not be able to perfectly copy that system over to what they have. They may have to have the flexibility and latitude to find their own way.

Meanwhile, the original system might have to change and adapt over time in order to keep working.

Look at Head Start. Sure the one tiny pilot they studied as successful, but it was a small program run under very specific and well controlled parameters. It is almost universally agreed that the actual original program, while successful, was a poor model for national implementation. It was going to be pretty well impossible to recreate those conditions on a widespread, let alone national, basis. So we have a grossly expensive boondoggle of limited, even questionable usefulness.

And any gains made even then are pretty well erased by grades 1 to 3. So what's the point again?

a reply to: D8Tee

I know for the most part, we have a more socialist attitude and less gun's..no open carry's.

Well we do pay premiums(160-ish max, any sized family) here in B.C. and a few other provinces..if you are below a certian income you don't pay, and regardless no one is denied or indebted for any hospital visit or treatment..ambulance I have been charged for.

I was replying to the comment relating Democratic Socialism to NK and that is just rubbish.

Cheers

Immaterial. It's about HOW that money is spent, AND addressing the other multi-variate causes of both poverty and the education gap.. Not only that, but even on a financial front it is factually true that unlike other developed countries, the US has vast differences in funding and support for schools between low income neighborhoods versus wealthy. I know, i was a science teacher in a low income school.

Oh I have. But you are engaging in the logical fallacy of assuming that because I propose such policies, that I must need them. You see, real policy making is not about yourself, although one can be included. It's for the system and society at large. I've already invested in my own education.

However, I also had a ton of economic and social capital privilege from my parents both being lawyers. A lot of people do not have that, and the research supports that those who inherit less so called social or economic capital statistically have a much harder time with social mobility (including economic, education, etc).

Moreover, once again, the data and research supports that investing in these areas actually returns MORE to society dollar for dollar than not doing so. It's actually pragmatic and responsible once you know that. It's not some hippy dream.