EPA Scientists' Work May Face Review By Trump Team to be released to the public

Well, people want proof that Trump is a fascist, here's some more. This article is somewhat old, but I just heard about this so I wanted to post it. This is serious overreach, anti-science, anti-democratic and anti-American as far as I'm concerned. Whether they're researching pollution or climate change it's important and will affect the American people and we have the right to know what our own scientists discover. This administration is setting up America to become an aristocracy or oligarchy or maybe dictatorship and this is how they start- by keeping the people ignorant.

EPA Scientists' Work May Face 'Case By Case' Review By Trump Team

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Fraud and data manipulation in science are very big problems. There was a study of the Chinese pharmaceutical studies and it was found that 80% of the data in clinical trails was fabricated. www.sciencealert.com... This is for Chinese scientist but I doubt it is much better across the world and in america. People act like Trump is just trying to be an a hole by having oversight of the epa when really it's actually smart to make sure that aren't making stuff up or manipulate data.

Any Science (with a capital S) should welcome vigorous challenge.

Only soft science fears scrutiny.

a reply to: CB328

Peer Review is a standard in science. if your theory is solid and your data is true then u should invite people to try and find fault with your findings.

a reply to: TheScale

Peer Review is a standard in science.

Yes, it is.

And that is precisely why there is a scientific consensus across the board on various things, and why "science" is what it is: because it has been peer reviewed, and it holds its weight.

originally posted by: Snarl
Any Science (with a capital S) should welcome vigorous challenge.

It does. And the scientific consensus remains because it has withheld those challenges and tests; hence peer review and the scientific consensus.

a reply to: CB328

Yep. "We don't like or agree with the scientific consensus, therefore we will suppress it."

Scary.

Who will be on this team and will they have conflict of interest? How about an independent panel, outside of political affiliation with decision making based on repeatable empirical evidence.

originally posted by: waftist
Who will be on this team and will they have conflict of interest? How about an independent panel, outside of political affiliation with decision making based on repeatable empirical evidence.

well in the article which is from jan 25th, it states "the head of communications for the Trump administration's EPA transition team, said that during the transition period, he expects scientists will undergo an unspecified internal vetting process before sharing their work outside the agency." beyond the transitional period though there is no statement saying that this process will continue. its only during the transition as they work to get the EPA on the same page with the other agencies and the administration. also this isnt anything new. in 2013 the society of environmental journalists called the EPA "one of the most closed, opaque agencies to the press." this was under obamas admin and it wasnt a new thing then either.

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and when it gets leaked and it makes trump look bad, the trump snowflakes will howl !

What ever happened to peer review ???

en.wikipedia.org...

There was a time in this country when nothing was excepted as science fact until everyone one in the field had evaluated the study.
Today, the most outrageous speculative hypothesis is excepted as fact.

Buck

a reply to: TheScale

its only during the transition as they work to get the EPA on the same page with the other agencies and the administration.

And if they don't "get on the same page" as their boss? Sort of like that AG who got fired?

originally posted by: syrinx high priest
and when it gets leaked and it makes trump look bad, the trump snowflakes will howl !

i hear this statement alot but it just doesnt jive with reality nor the statements made by liberals on this very site.i hear the claim constantly that any thread that exposes something bad with trump is ignored or just not mentioned by conservatives. so what are they doing, screaming and crying, or ignoring things. on the flip side its very easy to find plenty of video evidence of liberals literally having a mental breakdown in the streets.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: TheScale

its only during the transition as they work to get the EPA on the same page with the other agencies and the administration.

And if they don't "get on the same page" as their boss?

then we will see what happens then. agencies always go through this process with a new admin though so its not like something new, who knows maybe the irs will go after the dissenters...

Just like government needs oversight to prevent corruption, science needs oversight to prevent corruption aswell.

a reply to: PlasticWizard

And who better to oversee scientists than politicians?

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: PlasticWizard

And who better to oversee scientists than politicians?

it actually says in the article that it would be an internal review done by the scientists at the EPA. they get to review themselves so its not a politician in any way, so far atleast.

a reply to: TheScale

Then where did this come from?

its only during the transition as they work to get the EPA on the same page with the other agencies and the administration.

We know what page the administration is on.

Of course, if science does not know its role in a society, it is completely backward, this is due to the fact that all the negativity contracted by the 1% that governs the nations states.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: TheScale

Then where did this come from?

its only during the transition as they work to get the EPA on the same page with the other agencies and the administration.

We know what page the administration is on.

read the article linked