Report: 15 Million People Will Lose Health Coverage Under GOP Repeal Bill

originally posted by: mikell
Another report says about 25 million more jobs on the way

Which report?

I hear alot of empty claims and no sources.

originally posted by: AppreIron

originally posted by: syrinx high priest
this plan will implode faster than the ACA

letting the young healthy folks take their premiums out of the system and then letting the remaining people choose from expensive to cheap plans means the people that need the plan the most won't be able to use it because those premiums will skyrocket

its so damn simple. single payer makes you the 100,000,000 pound gorilla in the market and you dictate terms.

THAT'S how you get premiums down.

don't tell me its socialism, its a monopoly that would make vanderbilt blush

no other modern industrial nation in earth is dumb enough to have a for profit health care system except us

yay

No. I have good healthcare, I worked very hard to get it. I have the ability to visit one of the top hospitals in the world and its facilities for care anytime I wish. I pay a lot for that privilege. Single payer would cause delays and bring down my quality of care. If you want the same care I have go outside into the world and work as hard and smart as I did do. i will not sacrifice me or mine healthcare for your benefit. Never ever.

yawn.

when I worked at BlueCross I negotiated mutli-million dollar policies with CFO's, brokers and underwriters. There isn't a thing you can tell me about the healthcare business.

please stop disappointing me, you are embarrassing yourself now.

I bet it would surprise you to learn that you americans are already paying on a per capita basis the same as the brits for "government healthcare".

the difference is only 28% of americans actually get government healthcare over here.



that how bad our sysem is!

so please spare us the trolling about how lazy and poor democrats are, I destroyed you in the other thread, please stop stalking me.

when you get out of high school and get a job and have a family, you will learn to appreciate how nice it is not to have to decide between healthcare and retirement or college for your kids.

I trust a republican worth his salt would see how that would ignite the economy for real !

a reply to: Southern Guardian

The crap we have will be replaced with a slightly different colored crap.

a reply to: Southern Guardian

nypost.com...

Just a quick search. Didn't even put any effort into it.

a reply to: syrinx high priest

I don't know who you are guy. The fact is by allowing both the haves and have nots access to the same quality of care, the haves quality of care decreases while the have nots may increase. This is proven affect of market forces in healthcare in both Canada and NHS; wait times increase and general quality of care decreases. More so when profit incentives are limited biotech and university system R and D deceases, a forum the USA leads in by miles.

I could not care less about your family. I care about my family, and I am unwilling to reduce the quality of care for me and mine for the benefit of you and yours.

originally posted by: AppreIron
a reply to: syrinx high priest

I don't know who you are guy. The fact is by allowing both the haves and have nots access to the same quality of care, the haves quality of care decreases while the have nots may increase. This is proven affect of market forces in healthcare in both Canada and NHS; wait times increase and general quality of care decreases. More so when profit incentives are limited biotech and university system R and D deceases, a forum the USA leads in by miles.

I could not care less about your family. I care about my family, and I am unwilling to reduce the quality of care for me and mine for the benefit of you and yours.

please stop with the have not thing. its 100% irrelevant.

watch the video, you will learn a lot

I'm curious about something, guys.

What did all those 20 million people who were insured for the first time under Obamacare do before they got coverage?

How did these people survive before their savior Barry Obama bequeathed unto them the Affordable Care Act?

Are people really going to lose their lives because of the GOP's repeal/replace plan?

a reply to: ColdWisdom

30 million lost their insurance because of Obamacare and all the leftists could say was, "To get an omelet you have to break a few eggs".

But apparently this is a tragedy and everyone is going to effing die because Trump.

a reply to: DBCowboy

Just a quick search. Didn't even put any effort into it.

So why didn't you do it in the first place? No effort right?

You make a claim, you back it up.

The very conservative NYpost. But you want to complain about fake media?

This claim was fact checked:

It’s true that insurance companies discontinued health plans that had covered millions of people who had bought them directly rather than through an employer. That’s because those plans didn’t meet the coverage standards of the new law.
But those policyholders didn’t lose the ability to have insurance. In most cases, insurers offered them an alternative plan, though there were some instances of companies exiting the individual market altogether.

www.factcheck.org...

Further,

Millions more are expected to gain insurance because of the law nationwide in the coming years. The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office estimates that there will be 25 million fewer uninsured due to the ACA as early as 2016.

Try again. This time with a solid source.

a reply to: DBCowboy

But apparently this is a tragedy and everyone is going to effing die because Trump.

The civil war psy-op is in effect, full force. I'm up to my eyes in double standards, I've lost count.

It's almost become faux pas to point out the hypocrisies on the left. It's just too easy.

a reply to: Southern Guardian

Fail.

Those that "lose" obamacare can also get insurance.

The ability to get insurance will actually be easier with obamacare gone.

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Wow Occams... I'm surprised you agree this plan is crap.

Hell must have frozen over, we agree on something for once.

a reply to: Southern Guardian

From your source:

But those policyholders didn’t lose the ability to have insurance. In most cases, insurers offered them an alternative plan, though there were some instances of companies exiting the individual market altogether.

So some people were offered insurance, but it doesn't go on to say whether they took it or not. It would be nice to know how many people lost coverage due to ACA, as well as how many people had to wait to get coverage, and how long they waited.

And of course it would be nice to know the number of people that died as a result of being uninsured after the ACA went into effect. But I shan't hold my breath.

a reply to: ColdWisdom

And how do you feel about the millions that will lose coverage and suffer under Trumpcare?

a reply to: Southern Guardian

And how do you feel about the millions that will lose coverage and suffer under Trumpcare?

I'll tell you as soon as you can produce the figures that document the same fallout that occurred after the ACA went into effect 8 years ago.

Or until you can demonstrate to me, with evidence, the likeliness of people losing their coverage with the GOP's repeal/replace plan.

a reply to: DBCowboy

Those that "lose" obamacare can also get insurance.

The ability to get insurance will actually be easier with obamacare gone.

At a price. You didn't read the OP did you? The lower classes are getting far less under Trump's plan in order to get coverage.

You know if I was a well off man, I could get top notch insurance out there. Money talks. When discussing coverage it's not about whether or not one can get coverage, but whether they have the financial ability to do so. That's the issue. It's like this argument that the United States has the best doctors and hospitals the world has to offer. There's no debating this. The issue is financial access to this. Think outside the square.

a reply to: Southern Guardian

The deductibles under obamacare were so bad it was just as if people didn't have insurance.

Yet everyone wanted that for everyone.

I honestly find it amusing seeing so much pearl-clutching over "trumpcare" when everyone was jumping up and down for obamacare.

a reply to: ColdWisdom

Or until you can demonstrate to me, with evidence, the likeliness of people losing their coverage with the GOP's repeal/replace plan.

It's in the OP. They've done a report. Maybe you should read it? I can't force you to.

You answer my question. How do you feel about the millions set to lose under Trumpcare? No feelings? Let's just wait and see?

both plans stink

both plans address who pays how much of the bills, not the amount of the bills

originally posted by: syrinx high priest
both plans stink

both plans address who pays how much of the bills, not the amount of the bills

Common sense statement.

Can't disagree there.