Do you think that human beings could be on alien worlds, right now?

a reply to: TrueBrit

this story fails to pass the tests which ANY further reportage on this topic MUST pass. It offers no proof, nothing which could be objectively considered to be evidence, nothing which has any meat to it what so ever.

Yes and no... while agreeing about being gullible, this particular story had elements that aren't easily explained... years worth of "elements," in fact. The eyewitness testimony I heard from a few folks (whom I respect) on this site was... convincing, though I can't confirm it with tangibles.

The basic fact exists, though, that the technical details he spoke of in some threads are rock solid.

So of all the wild stories with elements of "what if" to them, and 40 some years of layman's UFO research, this one just clicked off all the right elements to me.. .for what it's worth. It is FAR different than the usual unsubstantiated tale, and I've heard most all of them... this one was ... er, different.

But I've just put in the "most likely" column and we'll see... but I just mention it as a public service announcement for any newbies looking for "alien abduction" answers.

originally posted by: AnkhMorpork

originally posted by: Bedlam
What if we're on other worlds, and so far there aren't any ETs? At least, not at more than a level of maybe a dog in intelligence?

How'd we get there?

Oh....well thats where it gets fuzzy. Ya see...there was this program..called the orion project. And it was doing so well they suddenly cut the funding and it dissapeared(officially) from the"white world"

Why you ask? Because they found a way to travel extremly fast thats why. Oort cloud in 30 mins type fast. but like most black projects I cannot prove this.

a reply to: Baddogma

Sounds like story goes back to the alleged Philadelphia experiment and the subsequent Montauk Project.

a reply to: andy06shake

Not that I'm aware of... that stuff (philly exp - montauk) always smelled rotten to me... though the tech ol' astr0 spoke of could link to such subjects I reluctantly admit ... the unknowns are tantalizing.

Yeah the German speaking break away society and many others are in other planets and in space.

a reply to: flyingdutchman2112

Well if these alleged break away civilizations are in near space or on any of the other planets or moons in our system one would imagine they would be detectable via any radio wave communications or other signals they would produce just as our own civilization produces such.

Look at it this way we have been polluting the cosmos via our own radio wave communication since the 1920s one has to wonder why they would not have been doing the same?

Unless of course they have graduated towards the use of some other as of yet undetectable means of communication.

a reply to: yuppa

I thought the Orion project was about Nuclear propulsion via atomic bomblets and pusher plates?

Think the maximum velocity of such a powered craft equates to around 5% the speed of light so it would still take around 85 years travel time to the nearest star, longer if you consider the fact that mid way the ship would need to reorientate itself to begin to slow down.

So i don't know about reaching the Ort cloud in 30 mins.

en.wikipedia.org...(nuclear_propulsion)

originally posted by: PlasticWizard

originally posted by: AnkhMorpork

originally posted by: Bedlam
What if we're on other worlds, and so far there aren't any ETs? At least, not at more than a level of maybe a dog in intelligence?

How'd we get there?

Maybe we evolved there?.. Would explain evolutionary gaps.. Dun dun dunn...

What evolutionary gaps? There are none of significance. The fossil record is clear back to Homo erectus, and beyond that is not all that sketchy. Plus DNA evidence corroborates the entire theory. It's possible we were "tweaked" ala '2001; a Space Odyssey" but our species very definitely evolved on Earth.

In terms of humans being elsewhere, it is unlikely, but not impossible. "We" could have been given a ride by others. Humanoid-looking? Very possibly given that form is very efficient and could have evolved more than once. See "morphogenesis" for more information.

I know for a fact that Humans are at this moment on Mars.

This has also been confirmed by reputable sources such as ex-governmental staff, from military to cia, and remote viewers (also with background in the governments), etc..
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originally posted by: SolarSon
I know for a fact that Humans are at this moment on Mars.

This has also been confirmed by reputable sources such as ex-governmental staff, from military to cia, and remote viewers (also with background in the governments), etc..'

No, you don't know "for a fact" at all. You just read a couple of conspiracy theories and believe them. You have no tangible "facts" at all. Believing there are humans on Mars is like believing in Jesus. Someone else assured you it's true, and you believe. That's all.

a reply to: SolarSon

Can you provide links to these fact, pictures or anything else that actually contains a modicum of credibility???

Crap or get off the pot my Man.

Edit: don't mean to sound obtuse but there are a multitude of people who claim something to be true down simple hearsay and/or speculation.

We need real factual evidence else this is all nothing more than pseudoscience and legend.

a reply to: AnkhMorpork

Anything is possible especially if there is a race whom find's humanity useful for some reason, if Sitchin had any reality to his word's then there was one case of human enslavement (domestication) by an alien race but that is non cannon and I personally do not believe it or disbelieve it.

Are there human's on other world's.

According to some the human form is more or less a logical outcome so there may be very human like entity's out there but humans who can trace there origin's back to out own species or our species ancestor.

Just maybe, just maybe we are not monkey's and came from mars and just maybe that lost civilization also spread beyond the solar system.

It would be funny if the UFO's turned out to be Human observers watching the indigenous tribe of earth for sociological reason's.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: yuppa

I thought the Orion project was about Nuclear propulsion via atomic bomblets and pusher plates?

Think the maximum velocity of such a powered craft equates to around 5% the speed of light so it would still take around 85 years travel time to the nearest star, longer if you consider the fact that mid way the ship would need to reorientate itself to begin to slow down.

So i don't know about reaching the Ort cloud in 30 mins.

en.wikipedia.org...(nuclear_propulsion)

Same name different propulsion apparently.(or the nuclear detonations powersource was bunk to begin with.)
Or they reduced the crafts mass to almost nothing and rendered gravitys pull on it null letting it achieve unheard of speeds? But as I said before I cant verify .

If faster than light travel is possible, which it appears to be if any part of the UFO phenomenon is credible, which it is, then we need to think this through all the way.

Since there's been plenty of time for the universe to be colonized in some shape or form (could be through DNA), then by the time we get to these truly Earthlike worlds (with a single giant moon) and liquid water, we are certain to find them already colonized, maybe even with Human progenitors or offspring, who've been "planted", here, there and everywhere, maybe with the help of some superCreator who imbedded a sacred geometry into the galactic and planetary formation (like our own Earth-moon-sun configuration), to build the farm so to speak, with these the farmhands and workers in the vineyard.

..the implication being of course that ours is also a colonized or "seeded" world.

But then there was the meteor impact that wiped out the dinos and created the space for our own eventual evolution, was that "guided" in at just the right time according to some sort of celestial democratic process, or was it just a random fluke?

For anyone who's read the book "Who Built the Moon?" (don't worry about the nature of the question or the various postulates offered), you will understand what I mean about the foundation, and the idea of a farm intended, by design from a first/last cause, to produce the life that we're experiencing, where only an Earth-based observer would be in a position to appreciate those design elements and by that I'm not only referring to the "coincidence" of perfect solar eclipse as seen from the Earth, but a whole array of sacred geometry and whole, round number integers based on the Egyptian measuring system (Royal Cubit) and that of the Neolithic Builders.

So there's an intelligent seed of life contained in the accretion disc of our own galaxy and represented in our own configuration favorable to the life we experience.

This raises the probability of other Earth-like worlds, when we look at our own situation in this new frame of reference.

The ancient Egyptians appear to have appropriated it right out of the gate, and not after millennia of observation.

I think that the reasonable and logical implications to the Fermi paradox in light of evidence of FTL leads inexorably to the credibility of the ancient alien hypothesis where we ourselves are the product of both cosmic evolutionary history AND a little tinkering and farming, and teaching and guidance.

The Bible itself might contain some sort of higher technology like some sort of psycho-spiritual NLP, and here I'm reminded of the "vision" of John of Patmos.

Angels, and aliens, most good, some bad.

It has all the makings for a great cosmic drama with the Earth paradoxically and solipsistically at the very heart of it all, with a great joke waiting in the wings capable of saving not only the Earth, but future Star Wars, fought and won in the heart and mind and in the tents before it was ever waged on the battlefield, no military hardware required.

And let's face it, in a non-local, holographic universe, local matters, whether we're surrounded by aliens with FTL or not or even all alone (highly unlikely).

Do they love us, fear us? Think we're really funny?


I once had a very powerful vision, almost in the realm of prophecy -- whereby whole armadas of alien ships, armed to the teeth, after conquering their domain or by simply rising to the top of the pack as the preeminent technological superpower civilization, in the universe (none had so much as ever challenged them directly to a fight) -- were hurtling, not unlike Saul galloping on the road to Damascus, through an engineered wormhole to the location in the SpaceTime Continuum wherefrom they had detected (in the force) a GREAT POWER and a GREAT EVIL, where it may be said that what is loosed on Earth is loosed in heaven also...

to be cont'd..

originally posted by: flyingdutchman2112
Yeah the German speaking break away society and many others are in other planets and in space.

That would suck. Bad aliens. The Germans can't be trusted with great power. They would return and invade the Earth.

What did that astronaut in Antarctica say - "It is evil itself".

# can get out of hand if certain powers and principalities are not careful. That's my concern. The higher ups, at least here on Earth have shown us clearly that they do not really know what they are doing.

That would really suck having to fight the Germans all over again within the context of a cosmic interstellar war..

Not good.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: TrueBrit

For colonisation purposes I imagine other means of FTL travel may be perfectly viable but for any kind of empire where we can communicate or share resources between different stars we need a method of travel that somewhat circumvents the time dilation effects associated with the vast distances involved. Wormholes or the Einstein Rosen Bridge seem to tick the box.

I like the Alcubierre drive concept also but it would not solve the communication problem, certainly open up our own backyard regarding colonization of our own star system all the same.

The big problem seems to be the energy requirements not to mention the need for exotic matter which we don't know how to produce or where to get.

An FTL "ansible" that takes advantage of action at a distance quantum effects has been proven NOT to be impossible, although they haven't figured it out yet.

I think that Einstein was wrong about time and space being "bendy", because there is only one NOW everywhere no matter your relative motion.

These aliens are not leaving their home words behind in time, but are moving around in one real time, while negating relativistic effects entirely.

They know the light is old, but they must navigate in the now and in the present, or they could get lost.

Or just maybe, WE ARE FROM THE STARS!

We just happened to be a far flung away colony that was all but forgotten. Over time, the original mandate was lost and eventually the directives all but lost. After several periods of infighting, they hierarchy collapse and they spread throughout the earth. Starting during the Miocene, they began to build communities.

Of course, geological disasters and changing climates decimated the population to the point that it effectively wiped almost all records and memory of that time.

Over the centuries, man remained in the dark till the rise of the civilizations that would eventually lead to our present time period.

Of course this is all speculation and non of it based on fact, however I like it...

originally posted by: AnkhMorpork
If faster than light travel is possible, which it appears to be if any part of the UFO phenomenon is credible, which it is, then we need to think this through all the way.

That's a giant leap of faith that simply assumes the ETH. If the ETH is not valid, none of your conclusions follow at all. FTL does not "appear to be possible" at all. It's just that we, as a space faring species, jump to that conclusion because we are oriented towards Star Trek. There are many alternative explanations. FTL is, at this point, a matter of faith--just like Jesus--not reality.

Considering we don't know who named this planet earth, maybe this isn't earth at all. Maybe we were stranded here. Over time forgetting our origins but subconsciously remember our home world was called earth. Alien visitors here could be from the original earth. After discovering us they decided not to intervene and allow us to progress on our own until we are ready to know the truth.

Edit: This would explain our fascination with the heavens. Homesickness?

a reply to: schuyler

ETH?