Dr. David Jacobs

a reply to: Aliensun

He is old school, everything new is bad, sort of.

I agree with him that the Grays has their agenda, planetery take over sort of.

However, I personal have never experienced anything bad from them, the experience is scary but so is it with the good guys to. They don't look like us. I bet most people would be afraid if they all the sudden saw someone, a gray or couple of grays standing in your room, coming closer, then taking control over you and takes you.

In my point view the grays are bad because they show no respect, no emtion, mess with my mind - they do and can make you believe you're with a human but in reality it is a Gray, they can also be inches from your eyes on top of you or in front of you and " play a movie in your head" aka dreaming, but in reality only they know what they are doing to you.

They are very deceptive. But not evil.
I do agree with what one of them said to me once, " you are not much better yourselves. "
No we're not. We're probably even worse then them.

But they are here for their agenda, their own reasons, their own good. And do not care about what happens to us.
That's what I don't like.

I've never been raped, had babies or all those things I keep hearing about, at least not what I remember.

And there ARE good et's out there. And here. There's even Gray type aliens who are GOOD and caring.

Yes those small bad grays are androids, or whatever. They don't have souls, they are programmed.

Jacobs is to be heeded......his message is clear and accurate but not all-encompassing.There are also Humanoids exactly like us moreso than the generic replicas or Greys and less like us than the Greys.

The Agendas are IDENTICAL TO OURS...BOTH GOOD AND BAD...A CHOICE MUST ALWAYS BE MADE.....and these groups have CABALS which contain many different types.

Jacobs outs some data...anyone outing abductee data is to be heeded.

a reply to: BigEyes

We're Human...we have polar opinions on most things we experience in this life...why would the opinions surrounding the benevolence or malevolence of ETs be any different?

I think it all comes down to perspective doesn't it?

originally posted by: MysterX
a reply to: BigEyes

We're Human...we have polar opinions on most things we experience in this life...why would the opinions surrounding the benevolence or malevolence of ETs be any different?

I think it all comes down to perspective doesn't it?

I might mention that TRUTH negates the requirement that anyone have an OPINION....opinions are only one phase of the learning experience and they are to be used in a transient manner and discarded ASAP.....opinions and teaching people to posess and own and defend one beyond its natural and very very brief usefullness is by proxy defined as manipulation.

Opinions misrepresented mistaught and mismanaged divide us ....when in reality opinions are only one small part of a bigger dynamic designed to bring us together.

Perspective is relative to truth which eclipses opinion.

Abductees give us a starting point by providing us with truth....allowing us to skip the smaller components of traditional processes like opinion.

a reply to: BigEyes
Only one page from enjoying his talks to no respect for him

they do and can make you believe you're with a human but in reality it is a Gray, they can also be inches from your eyes on top of you or in front of you and " play a movie in your head" aka dreaming, but in reality only they know what they are doing to you.

If your perception is capable of being manipulated so profoundly, how are you so certain that they are even aliens to begin with? If your brain is capable of seeing/hearing things differently than they are, then you can't trust your own perception of them or what they tell you!

They are very deceptive. But not evil.

All deception is evil. Truth is self-evident. If what was truly happening to you was so agreeable, you wouldn't need to be deceived in the first place.

I sent you a private message

a reply to: Ridhya

Still, doesn't mean I do not agree with what he says about the Grays.

How he conducts his regressions (which I've never heard before) is very disrespectful towards the abductee and he is misleading and installing ideas in her head!

If you haven't had an actual abduction by ET's your comments or opinions does not matter to me.

Deception to me does not equal evil, it equals bad behaviour and breaks my trust towards them.
To me evil are people who murder, rape and torture other people, animals, beings and this Planet!

I have never agreed to be taken by the Grays, I do not like the Grays, they are malevolent beings here for their own intentions with no regards to what will happen to humanity!

I have never said, nor do I, take everything they tell me as FACTs, because I know of those who can manipulate my mind.
Please do not assume you know me or what I think or feel about things.

I was in a pleasent dream state once, but somehow took a little control and snapped out of it, just to see myself laying down, naked on something cold in a "dark" room with a Gray above me, his big black eyes just inches from mine, poof I was back in the dream state. I have no idea what he or they did to me then. - to me, beings who does that, is not to be trusted!

originally posted by: BigEyes
a reply to: Ridhya

Still, doesn't mean I do not agree with what he says about the Grays.

How he conducts his regressions (which I've never heard before) is very disrespectful towards the abductee and he is misleading and installing ideas in her head!

If you haven't had an actual abduction by ET's your comments or opinions does not matter to me.

Deception to me does not equal evil, it equals bad behaviour and breaks my trust towards them.
To me evil are people who murder, rape and torture other people, animals, beings and this Planet!

I have never agreed to be taken by the Grays, I do not like the Grays, they are malevolent beings here for their own intentions with no regards to what will happen to humanity!

I have never said, nor do I, take everything they tell me as FACTs, because I know of those who can manipulate my mind.
Please do not assume you know me or what I think or feel about things.

I was in a pleasent dream state once, but somehow took a little control and snapped out of it, just to see myself laying down, naked on something cold in a "dark" room with a Gray above me, his big black eyes just inches from mine, poof I was back in the dream state. I have no idea what he or they did to me then. - to me, beings who does that, is not to be trusted!

From one alleged abductee to another....Jacobs throughout his long and involved career....came into knowledge of a tremendous volume of genuine abductee data.....I am sure he at times was less worried about leading anyone than we would be simply because he had seen the same story repeated so many times he was likely inclined to take shortcuts...I would have been.

People do not understand how we are tricked by verbage and interpretations......even most abductees dont understand how and why abductors claim the abductee "agreed" to what was happening......because in those cases there was an agreement but it was not intended to extend beyond a single moment or a short series of moments......but the interpretation uploaded into the collective and then acted upon says its a lifetime deal with no fine print...agreed upon by you 100%.

You sound like you retained some clear memories.Interestingly clear.

Its unfortunate you did not have a Human guide and mentor as i did during my 1st event.

Experiencing a fractured slivered state of awareness is akin to being asleep...then being asleep within your sleep...and then waking up but only from the sleep within your primary sleep...registering this experience within a sleep experience on your mental rolodex in order.....then getting put back to sleep within your sleep sans these particular memories....and hen waking up as usual with memories of a normal or slightly uncomfortable sleep......only to later on begin remembering on your mental rolodex which is set to your own individual infinity clock small bis and pieces or entire complete finite memories of your sleep within your sleep experiences.

To an abductee it is easy to "know" the experiences happened to them because they can "frame" multiple realities together because of the sleep within a sleep experiences and the ability of their own brain to properly record and later sort out to differing degrees the data sets.However it is exremely difficult to explain how this works to those interested.

Back in 2006 I though of it as becoming Awake and Aware....inferencing the ability to remember the sleep within a sleep experiences.

Some abductees are "kicked out of the program".....lol...because they could reach a 3rd level of reality which the abductors arent masters of,meaning you can fool them but they cant fool you.....lol.....and you retain full complete unadultered memories.

Hopefully one day abductees will be able to openly share their stories on some new type of MSM which supports truth.

@one4all

I still feel the way he did his regressions, at least with her, is wrong, it is leading, maybe she didn't have exepriences like that at all. I've listened to many hours of clips now and, he says some really disgusting things to her while she's under. It's not professional.

I'm glad she taped him.

However, that does not mean the re-search about the Grays are wrong, but I've had a gut feeling for a while he only regress those who fit what he wants, and I got a small confirmation about that today.

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I snapped out of the Grays control once before too (another time) and he seemed clueless, he had me in an altered state but I knew what he was, I told him off, I got angry, tried to reason with him. When I told him I was aware and knew that it was an altered state, he seemed geniunly chocked and responded - You are!. He then rushed towards me and I panicked, then blacked out.

I've been warned by other beings not to let them know (the grays) when I am aware, it can be dangerous for me. But for some reason, I always believe I can get some sense into those Grays, lol.

Another time I was angry at them, these were a size smaller, I actually got conscious during a walk in the corridor, I grabbed one of them, strangled him, his thin little neck, and shook him, yelling - what about love, what about compassion three times! Then someone grabbed me from behind and pulled me away, - blacked out.

I often become conscious, and often (not all the time) know when I am in an altered state mastered by them.
They have told me why they are here, the Gray themselves. Which other beings have confirmed to me, previously.

But as I said before, I do not take everything as facts, I am a skeptic at heart, even when I wake up with bruises, cuts from events I consciously remember but felt like dreams. Even when I am wide awake movable and they enter my home, even when I am awake and physically feel them, grab them, they touch me etc. I am still skeptic. Because it does feel so... out there. I do understand why most people don't believe, I don't want to believe, I want to go back when I was a child and didn't believe or know about these things and just had a normal life. These things alters ones life so much, most often not for the better, you might learn more things, amazing things from these (some) beings. But no one to share it with. No one to talk to about these sort of experiences. You just shut down. Try to bury it. It is truly the human aspect that sux, whcih makes it worse, not the ET's.

I would never wish any form of abductions, positive or negative, on anyone.

a reply to: one4all

Personally, as I said in my first post, Jacobs is on the wrong track as is Encke. Both know they have an explosive topic (even if most people consider them wrong or screwy). As an alternative to Jacobs, I suggest that any abductee, or interested soul read the works of John E. Mack, MD, and psychiatrist, formerly a professor at Harvard until his premature death reportedly by a drunk driver in Belfast.

An accomplished writer in his field, he is best known (and hated at Harvard) for two books, Abduction: Human Encounters with Aliens and Passport to the Cosmos. In Abductions he presented over forty case histories of abductees. Some of the experiences were harrowing, but his conclusions in that book and the later book was quite clear. He saw no evidence that we were being manipulated by evil beings but the contrary, the ETIs were here helping us in ways we could not and were not helping ourselves.

Many abductees are little different than the run-of-the-mill civilian, they don't ponder the experience and what it was supposed to mean to them and their fellows, but merely stop with being bound up with the personal trauma. I have a son exactly in that situation. He doesn't know what to do with what he was told either for himself or for the sake of the earth and its humanity. In effect, the alien influence upon him was virtually a waste of time and, additionally, caused him an incredible amount of personal conflict.

If you are an abductee and think it through, you can understand where our species is heading and even how it is being ushered along that path in numerous ways in our cultures and societies. The other day I had reason to mention in a post an old thread of mine entitled UFO Aliens Have Made Me a Democrat...Mostly. The implication being that abductees are given deeply buried directives that for practical purposes make us very conscious of the current state of humanity and the need to change toward a more progressive form of existence as persons and governments not to mention having an honest appraisal of the cosmos and its creatures.

Elsewhere I have an article entitled The UFO Kids where I make the claim that abductees were changed mentally and in their DNA and whether they acted on interior changes or not, the DNA would be passed along to their off-spring. Those off-spring are adults now, they are easily recognized as the often discussed and puzzling millennials, and they want change and Trump outta there with a vengeance.

a reply to: BigEyes

yeah i agree that its not exactly correct to not trust ET abductees

Dr Jacobs does believe in other types of aliens. Those include the nordics and the reptiles but they do not play as an important a role in his observations as the Grays, much like in your case. However the most important role in his books is played by the overseers which are preying mantis type aliens.

Dr Jacobs is not looking for women's panties. He is asking for evidence of impregnation. That is an important difference.

BigEyes, have you ever tried using the name of Jesus in your abductions? There have been many reports of the abduction ending upon that name.

a reply to: Sansanoy

Well, I have listened to many recordings now on his regressions, at least towards that woman and another guy who spoke about his experiences with Dr.Jacobs. It is not professional how he preformed those regression sessions.

He claims that those ET's are connected with the Grays.

ET's can make you BELIEVE that it stopped the abduction if you call out Jesus name, but it doesn't.
If you don't understand what these beings are capable of, you never will understand. (you used in general terms).

But yes, I have called out for Jesus, and to another ET friend who I trust when I have been in very scary situations. Most often I just pass out. I have also called out my ET friends name during other occurances with the reply from the other beings - X is not on this plane of existence.

a reply to: BigEyes

Interesting. You say most often you pass out. What happened the other times?

I wouldn't be discouraged about passing out after calling on Jesus. The fact that something at all is happening should tell you the name is not vacant. In any case if the abduction is real you can't just call out to Jesus and wake up from it. You have to be returned.

a reply to: Sansanoy

Exactly. Pass out is my words, black out is my words. But in reality the ET takes control and either makes me forget the rest from that point or makes me drift into unconsciousness. That's what the "good" ET's most often do if I can't calm down. I've only called out for Jesus 2 times. But I have called out for X a bunch of times.

So I have no memory after that point. Which stuff probably happens and then they return me.

Many things happens the other times, when I don't "pass out" or prior to "passing out".
But that is not what this thread is about though.

a reply to: BigEyes

Well you are in a position to accept that abductees may posess usefull insights which they do not posess selfawareness of but which they over time learn to understand.

The Greys...tall ones.....are highly telepathic...their recievers are HD.....and because our telepathic selfawareness is gone due to genetic subtraction.....we dont realise that all of our thoughts we believe are internalised within our heads are literally being broadcast 24/7/365....our "recievers" are turned off....but our "transmitters" were left turned on....consider the advantages and disadvantages to those who did this...........and the confusion on an individual basis it would create for humans....parts of a collective suddenly thrust into individuality...with no resources or methodologies to adjust and survive.....placebos to the "collective" telepathic mindset had to be built....or "gifted" to the victims of this genetic terrorism.

Anyways,we can hurt/impact them using our emotional focus[this level of focus is what keys us to wake up unexpectedly] ....a high creatine kinase level helps ....some people use religous focuses others use imagry and belief in a greater power or idea like a Lion or a Knight in Armor or anything ultimately powerfull .......it doesnt matter what the catalyst is as long as you BELIEVE in and EMOTE upon your beliefs with all of your energy.......you cannot fake it.

I discovered that they can dig down to your emotional core by giving you extra-sensory experiences which focus on reflex emotional keystones.....then they observe you.....they use peoples own self-subscribed emotional high-point memories as "screen memories"....they observe and take an emotional pulse reading and then pick a memory to graft over your experiences.....they dont "create" any screen memories at all....they let you pick them from your own internal memory/emotional bank.

A complete Service to Others intention is not easy for them to work with because it is not fear-based at its core.

I experienced 2 seperate "Groups"....one non-terrestrial Military Human based collective of 5 races primary abduction a Group I knew was unlikely to return, and secondary collateral abductions by non-Human based but with terrestrial Humans involved working collectively with 2 races involved,a program from which I was shall we say flunked out of[they couldnt read me on all levels so could not make me do what they wished,their conclusions were SOP/that I failed their standards of capability and potential....lol.].

I cannot speak for the people who are abducted by short Greys and tall Greys because there are many different groups with different agendas......I had limited interactions of a communal nature with them....I was focused on "failing my way home"....lol....and I was not given explanations as i was given during my Primary abduction by Military non-terrestrial but 100% Humans.These were two very different completely seperate Groups.....the secondary abductions were sneaky follow-ups to my Primary abduction and were somehow connected.....somehow a conduit linked the 2 events.


Lol....I remember my 1st self-aware abduction as a child ...pre-abduction morning...and post-abduction morning.....lol....2 EXTREMELY DIFFERENT WORLDS....one a singular symetric reality....and one a spliced asymetrical blended reality.I have considered the potential comfort zone of returning to the pre-abduction/implant state.....but the nasal/pineal implant is done its job and is gone and I now know it is a state of knowledge I was gifted/burdened with....so things have balanced for me..... but I remember the "contrast" I experienced at first......similar to an data-overload....where one day you are working from an MAcintosh Apple computer and the next you are working from a Quantum Computer....its hard to conceptualise going backwards to your old working platform...yes you could do it....but it is regressive.....an old comfort zone for sure....but backwards is not a natural direction .

I was fortunate because my Primary experience was retained in my memories...this is not SOP by any means and I have always known this.Had I only experienced the secondary abductions I would be essentially clueless and the impetus behind the abductions and groups is IMMEASURABLE.

I do not wish abductions upon anyone.The laughable reality is that in our world today there are probably millions of people who would volunteer to participate willingly.....not have to be tricked into a transparent willingness catalysed by trickery and manipulation of verbage and intent.

a reply to: Aliensun

Due to the large number and varience in Groups doing the abducting and exponential volume of intentions and agendas conflicting and paralell involved......there is no sacred common ground to work from.......and although there are commonalities in physical experiences during events,this does little to indicate commonality of intentions or agenda....so even if 1000 different abductees have common memories of technology on a craft.....this means little....its the race/group operating the technology and their agenda which is important and theoreticlly there could be 1000 different agendas.

Some groups seem to be trying to help preserve humanity beyond the coming Nibiru event.....and some are simply using humanity as genetic stock. Either way ALL groups know of the coming global displacement waves and the levels of destruction coming.So we can see there is a moral divide here between macro-intentions amongst the groups ....lol.

a reply to: one4all

Yeah, the tall Grays, I didn't wanna mess with them, and it was insane how, I am still at awe how telepathic they are, the one "leader" streamed images(video in my mind but he showed me how they transported from one "galaxy" (universes galaxies, I might mix em up) to another and how the sip positioned itself at the same time communicating with me while I knew where I was and where I was standing. It was so odd. But a cool experience.

I don't know how they do/create screen memories so I wont even step into that field.
But it makes somewhat sense the way you described it.

I don't wish any type of abduction of any type of ET on anyone either. People will never understand the effect it has on an abductee. No matter what type of the abduction it is.

I don't know how they choose who to take or why, it would be interesting to know though.

originally posted by: BigEyes
a reply to: one4all

Yeah, the tall Grays, I didn't wanna mess with them, and it was insane how, I am still at awe how telepathic they are, the one "leader" streamed images(video in my mind but he showed me how they transported from one "galaxy" (universes galaxies, I might mix em up) to another and how the sip positioned itself at the same time communicating with me while I knew where I was and where I was standing. It was so odd. But a cool experience.

I don't know how they do/create screen memories so I wont even step into that field.
But it makes somewhat sense the way you described it.

I don't wish any type of abduction of any type of ET on anyone either. People will never understand the effect it has on an abductee. No matter what type of the abduction it is.

I don't know how they choose who to take or why, it would be interesting to know though.

I do not pefer the tall Greys I met during my 1st event.....nor the little Grey minions who work with them....they do not awe me and anyone could ragdoll one of them emotionally mentally and physiclly at will....pitting an aware and able human against one of these races is like they are bringing a knife to a gunfight.We are exceptionally powefull...humanoid-hybrid vigor if you will.

The reasons for choosing vary from simple geography for those trying to help us survive Nibirus passage,to specific genetic bloodlines exhibiting specific traits desirable to whatever genetic agenda is present...to MILABS where the Government and many different black groups try to learn as much as they can.Some abductees live under a constant state of multiple layers of overlapping surveliance by different groups with differing agendas...24/7/365 for life....and most never know it.They have know about organised abductions by one group for many years and this is by Gov agreement,and they have been tracking craft who have been doing abductions external to this agreement by the same AND diffeent groups.... so they know genericlly who is taken and from where.....and they need to at all costs monitor and recon these interactions.It truly is a Jungle in the Universe.

a reply to: one4all

Hmm, never heard from any ET about Nibiru or any hint of it.

a reply to: BigEyes

Neither have I,I was shown an coming event,I wasnt given specifics I was aware of in that moment,only the visuals and scope.This was only in response to a question by me....they did not give me an uninitated "message".I was shown what and how bad and in my lifetime.

One Military Human group is collecting DNA to repopulate post-event....although it wasnt named as a Nibiru related event...even Nibiru wasnt named or referred to.....I was SHOWN VISUALLY and scope was explained in terms of % of survivability.....post abduction learning and data-dreams where I wake and write down whatever is on my mind ASAP have brought everything full circle to a Nibiru related event.

A nasal implant was given to me which stimulated my pineal gland and extended or re-initiated the learning processes we have as kids between 1-7 but then lose around 8....I call it visual thinking.......and it allows you to learn like you are on cerebral steroids....and to learn conceptually... first....and to recognise patterns easily and accurately....in my case the implant was ejected during a massive nightime nosebleed....I do not know if this was SOP or not but I saw and held it before I discarded it.....and I later came to understand what it had been doing....and also the techniques and procedures used to put it there....somewhat surprising to say the least.

So to be clear I was not given any data about Nibiru from anyone during an event.The Nibiru relevance was reverse extrapolated from mainstream available data historical and current era.....and IMHO it is CONCRETE data....my data comments refer to primarily GEOLOGICAL IRREFUTABLE EVIDENCE which is not discussed mainstream in context but which is hidden right under everyones noses in plain sight.