Air Force monitoring increased Iodine-131 in Europe

a reply to: Zaphod58

its either something going critical in that wasteland under the north sea or someone popped something off.

my guess would be a undisclosed test, by an undisclosed nation at a undisclosed time

Could any of this be a possible transportation of fissile material? A very crude or makeshift containment, but really for the purpose of transporting by people not equiped to move such material.

If the governments are covering it up, it would lead to the reason they don't want panic, so could be something that they know material was missing and they are trying to find it before it's too late by following these trails.

The other aspect is it's preparation for a false flag, but that's a little more evil than I'm willing to believe possible, tinfoil hat isn't that tight.

So we know it's not a nuke plant or isolated or else they would of narrowed it down a bit faster, almost seems they are searching for a moving target.

Reasons I say this and not a test of some sort is, we normally have more data to help pinpoint, like seismic, atmospheric and other inklings, this has more of a " caught while on the toilet " type of moment.

a reply to: penroc3

If it was a nuke test, as Bedlam pointed out, there would be more than just I-131. And it wouldn't have continued to be detected this long. It has a very short half life.

a reply to: Zaphod58


Non-threatening leak at Belgian nuclear plant causes shutdown

And it's not the only one leaking...

Radioactive leak at Norway nuclear reactor

a reply to: penroc3

Maybe it's a case of.....
Hey, i've just tested my fancy new weapon, in an area hardly monitored, and by the time you worked it out, I have gone home now and you didn't even know !!
Just a crazy theory

There's just a ton of contradictory info. It's WAY more than you'd see from a simple pharma spill, and going on for too long.

So, are there other elements being leaked, and if you're not seeing them, or being told about them, why not?

It doesn't make sense for a pharma spill. It doesn't, as reported, make sense as a nuke test. It definitely doesn't make sense as a nuclear power plant venting.

And the story changing is almost frantic. What's up with THAT?

Something's going on. It's not innocuous. It's being hand waved. I just haven't got my pinkies on what yet. The scuttlebutt network is full of static as well.

If you had just bombarded some straight U-238 rods for the purpose of breeding plutonium, cracked them open a couple of weeks later to extract it instead of waiting the usual 3 months, you'd get a veritable #heap of I-131 and some Xenon, but not much else gaseous.

Anyone in the area with an experimental reactor and some U238 rods who wants to get into the plutonium production business? It should be easy to spot a PUREX line setup.

a reply to: Bedlam

There's definitely something weird going on. You can't tell me that they're going to be making announcements about increased I-131 levels, when there aren't any. And like you said, they're almost frantically trying to cover this up.

thank you for the reply.

I was in no way defending the VT site or them folks, only happening upon that "list" got me thinking about this current incident and how things are monitored a ground level too and it seems corroboration at in place ground level sites is meh. From my observations events such as this Iodine, or Fuku or even the endless waste lying all over the planet, seem to be troubling and yet information is hard to get - I know all the ass sizes of the Khardashian family members but I find it hard to get information on the radiation that is altering my consciousness expression through the body.

I have noticed something very odd indeed since the fuku incident. The first rule about radiation is never to talk about radiation. Rule number 2 is see rule number one. I am shocked, and dismayed, at the obscene "trolling" of every site, forum or post that seeks to get an understanding of what effect all of this is having on our ability to express our consciousness through the body. Radiation topics seemed to be far more off limits then any other forbidden topic, hell I can talk about pedophiles easier then this.

a reply to: crankyoldman

Trying to talk calmly about radiation is usually a losing proposition. Either you run into the "we're all going to die" crowd, or you get the "you're an idiot who doesn't know what they're talking about" crowd. I'm actually fairly surprised this thread has remained as civil as it has.

Getting information on radiation levels isn't easy. Like I said in another post, background changes from day to day, or even from hour to hour. So the best you'd get is a range of where it should be for a specific area. That's why you rarely see anything official about "it's x amounts higher than background", and instead see levels of release when there's an incident.

The UK has a sampling aircraft and wondered if it has been out and about?

British Aerospace Bae 146, registration G-LUXE, flew a mission that took it over Cherbourg, Northern France on the 16th February. Perhaps it was up sampling?

Plane Finder G-LUXE flight link

From following link with other G-LUXE flights.

Plane Finder Link

Link explaining the role of the aircraft

Video showing one of the roles of the aircraft. The UK Met Office and the UK Ministry of Defence are interlinked.



The Bae 146 flew over the region in northern France where the explosion took place near to the French nuclear plant.

Authorities have said there is no risk of contamination from an explosion that occurred at EDF’s Flamanville nuclear plant in northern France. EDF said the blast at 9.40am on Thursday was caused by a fire in the turbine hall, which is outside the nuclear zones of the power station, located 15 miles west of the port of Cherbourg. Five people were treated for smoke inhalation.

The Guardian Link

The UK used to have its own long-range sampling aircraft but these have now been retired.

The RAF Vickers VC-10s used to be fitted with a pod. It doesn't appear that the RAF Voyagers took over the role after the VC-10s were retired.

During 2006 and 2009 the RAF deployed VC-10s equipped with the sampling pods to Okinawa after North Korean nuclear tests.

Footage of one of the pod equipped RAF VC-10s landing at Okinawa to assist the USAF WC-135.

VC-10 sampling pod image link

a reply to: Zaphod58

My thoughts exactly. An older and detailed piece regarding Tihage, the other Belgian reactor with similar problems:

Fire at Belgian Nuclear Reactor; Cracks in Pressure Vessels & Oil Leak

3 years later we have a German Minister giving such statements:

...In a post on Facebook on Thursday, German Environment Minister Barbara Hendricks said it was not Germany's place to influence the shutdown of nuclear reactors in other countries but expressed concerns about their safety. "We are concerned whether the necessary reactor safety at these facilities reactors has been adequately guaranteed," she wrote on Facebook.

Non-threatening leak at Belgian nuclear plant causes shutdown

SPD backstory. Not your usual enviromentalist mouthpiece, having someone like her messing with plausible deniability is kinda compelling.
And then there's the financial impact:

...Belgium is currently importing around 2 GW of gas out of a total import capacity of 5 GW. Belgium typically imports almost a third of its gas from Norway via North Sea pipelines and around a quarter from the neighbouring Netherlands.

Norway has said it has spare gas, but would only export more if it made commercial sense.

Belgium can also import large quantities of liquefied natural gas (LNGLF) (LNG), largely from Qatar, via tankers through its terminal at Zeebrugge.

Yet importing more gas could be problematic during the upcoming peak demand winter season as Belgium could find itself competing with other European nations because of knock-on effects from the Ukraine conflict.

Reactor Leak Halves Belgian Nuclear Output

Sounds expensive already? Nothing to see here...

a reply to: tommyjo

I see this 146 has a max range of 1800 miles or 6hrs under optimal conditions. haven't done the maths yet, but dunno how long that can loiter/search around the Barent sea.

www-cast.ch.cam.ac.uk...

BTW, that VC-10 wont collect much data with the wrapper still on the pod

a reply to: Zaphod58

Could this be a transportation accident?

Like Mars Bluff?

And no one wants to admit messing up that badly?

a reply to: Zaphod58

Reading over the development of this story, it seems increasingly unlikely that this is just an accident of some sort. Whatever happened, we know that the US, etc knows far more than we do, and the way responsible authorities seem to be dancing around this whole situation, in combination with the WC flying, tells me that whatever happened is far, far more sensitive than a basic accident.

There seems to be way more hand-waving than there would be if there was simply Russian chatter over a criticality at Mayak, Tomsk, or one of the sub graveyards. It almost seems like the question now is:

What new weapon did Russia just test over the Arctic?

Wasn't the Kanyon warhead supposed to be a new design that leaves its target irradiated with far more long-term contaminants than a traditional fission/fusion nuke would? That would certainly explain the prolonged iodine release.

a reply to: Barnalby
Nutron bomb ?
www.no-nukes.org...

a reply to: Barnalby

it is just a large yield salted bomb. the water transports the contamination far and wide.

originally posted by: Slys13
a reply to: Barnalby
Nutron bomb ?
www.no-nukes.org...

You still have about a 5kT fission trigger inside. And you get fission byproducts. And secondary activation byproducts that are typical of the locale you set it off in.

a reply to: Bedlam

I dont think we will ever hear the REAL reason for this release.

i wish i still had some of the clearances that i had, some of the scuttlebutt i've heard is all over the plae so who knows what t the real story is.

i think im going to stick to my previs statements as to a bunch of unknowns

originally posted by: penroc3

i wish i still had some of the clearances that i had, some of the scuttlebutt i've heard is all over the plae so who knows what t the real story is.

I'm still tuned up pretty good but no one in my circle has any consistent idea.

So, possible intentional release of I-131 for...? Any good ideas why you'd release a fairly innocuous fission marker? We occasionally release faux disease organisms to intentionally trigger biosensors, to see how the response chain performs.

A possible drill?