They Are Watching You..... It's ok, You Have Nothing To Hide.

a reply to: jimmyx

I believe in "coincidences" about as much as I believe in a tooth fairy. That's just being honest

a reply to: Snarl

They can come and arrest me for my posting content , any day.

I shall be glad to be martyred for that, right now.

I don't want to live in a society that murders people for their opinion.

originally posted by: SpeakerofTruth
a reply to: BlackProject

I have heard theories that it will be used to clone "deserving" individuals in a utopian future, but that's all most likely Dreamland stuff. I am not sure what their intentions are

They keep people frozen for future thawing too. They also keep seed banks to replant in case of world disaster, like an asteroid impact or...

The internet itself is one big data reservoir in all these fusion data centers.

Won't mater, after we are dead everyones mind is dumped to preserve every single thing that ever happened here. The physical storage won't matter anymore, the computers will decay, the seeds will turn fallow, the frozen bodies will thaw. The polluted, stripped bare earth will become a dead, radioactive, toxic cinder of its former self.

a reply to: intrptr

At the rate everything is going, that seems likely. Once upon a time, I was quite optimistic about humanity's prospects but over the course of the last 20 years that has faded significantly. There comes a time to put away childish things I suppose. Heh.

There is a lot of evidence to show that our country has turned into a surveillance state. When asked about the Boston Marathon Bomber's phone records, the FBI admitted that they could listen to phone calls he had made in the past, before the bombing. This suggests that all of our phone calls are recorded. Trapwire, as another poster mentioned, allows video cameras to use facial recognition to track everyone (I think it is only active in certain cities, however).

The good news is there is so much data that it is impossible for the intelligence agencies to know everything. More good news: secret courts are used to determine what information can be looked at (although that includes information that was collected before the ruling). More good news: in most cases, petty crimes aren't under surveillance (although some city cops are using a device that allows them to intercept text messages and phone conversations from those around them).

Also, members of the government or those seeking election are probably under closer scrutiny than most citizens. For example, the phone records for Trump's aides were recorded (although they were talking with foreign personnel and they were the ones being monitored).

I think the intelligence agencies monitor each other. So that answers the question of who watches the intelligence agencies. And leakers like Snowden keep us informed of what is going on, which I think is a good thing.

a reply to: darkbake

I agree with all you posted there.

Interesting that with the Boston Marathon bombing that Snowden himself said he was working at that time, in those offices. He mentioned that those that worked there, at the time of the bombing occurring, looked at each other and admitted that they probably already knew about them. So this is a running theme, they know about these things. Yes the data is large and difficult to sift through but, still it is there. They could hone in on these people but the thing is, the sad part is, governments tend to like problem, reaction scenarios. Aids them in having the public join them in their ventures to invade another country.

The technology on offer in the highest positions are verging on the unimaginable. Technologies where the idea that all information and past movements are recorded like a film and can be re-winded like one to view any position or movement at any one time. Using thermal readings, I have heard of such devices being able to give 3D representations of buildings and all its internals, with 3D images of the people walking around and their voices. This data is recorded continuously and can be played back, as a 3D environment thus allowing plans of attack lets say to be determined to the dot. Hard to imagine such, as yes it is mad.

Basically it is those in power, power that we never get to see. Those people play god and do not wish to be seen or stopped in their owned items which are us and our land and everything else. So they create these little games, improve their secret technology, so that we the citizens and the puppets in office are all monitored and all controlled. Difference is, we the citizens are under the most extreme resolves when it comes to making a point. Where a simple peer into their information is deemed a hack and the person committing it labelled a hacker, a threat to state security and locked up or worse killed.

a reply to: BlackProject

You summed it up well with the last comment, of course! I have had this argument so many times with a family member, who really believes that it "doesn't matter" of they listen in, because she's "not a criminal", "not doing anything wrong", etc. It's enough to make you scream. That someone could decide anything we do is "wrong" doesn't seem to click.

originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes
a reply to: BlackProject

You summed it up well with the last comment, of course! I have had this argument so many times with a family member, who really believes that it "doesn't matter" of they listen in, because she's "not a criminal", "not doing anything wrong", etc. It's enough to make you scream. That someone could decide anything we do is "wrong" doesn't seem to click.

Exactly. For instance I know they are working on a system that sets a colour to your house from the history they record through your browsing habits. So if you have been googling something like how you disagree with the system or you feel you have be wronged or that a certain movement is right in its thoughts. You may be given a light above your house on a police scanner that you may put up a fight, you may own a gun and you may shoot at them. This increases police sensitivity before even knocking on your door, before you get the right to defend yourself and then, well. It is too late, your shot dead and the police say it was justified. The item you was holding looked like a gun and plus with your recent history, they deemed you a threat. That was enough to shoot you dead.

Scary thought, do not you think. This is how this information is and will be used against people and will be used in court against you to defend your rights to privacy. As long as they can deem someone wrong (even if they are not) then it all holds up in court.

Indeed anything we do can be deemed as wrong when they switch laws to fit their agenda.

a reply to: BlackProject

Indeed anything we do can be deemed as wrong when they switch laws to fit their agenda.

They just need some sort of celebrity leader with followers of blind faith to pull this kind of stunt off, but that will never happen

originally posted by: BlackProject

originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes
a reply to: BlackProject

You summed it up well with the last comment, of course! I have had this argument so many times with a family member, who really believes that it "doesn't matter" of they listen in, because she's "not a criminal", "not doing anything wrong", etc. It's enough to make you scream. That someone could decide anything we do is "wrong" doesn't seem to click.

Exactly. For instance I know they are working on a system that sets a colour to your house from the history they record through your browsing habits. So if you have been googling something like how you disagree with the system or you feel you have be wronged or that a certain movement is right in its thoughts. You may be given a light above your house on a police scanner that you may put up a fight, you may own a gun and you may shoot at them. This increases police sensitivity before even knocking on your door, before you get the right to defend yourself and then, well. It is too late, your shot dead and the police say it was justified. The item you was holding looked like a gun and plus with your recent history, they deemed you a threat. That was enough to shoot you dead.

Scary thought, do not you think. This is how this information is and will be used against people and will be used in court against you to defend your rights to privacy. As long as they can deem someone wrong (even if they are not) then it all holds up in court.

Indeed anything we do can be deemed as wrong when they switch laws to fit their agenda.

That sort of system, yikes!! Prejudging people, based on what they do online? How is that not thought control? How could anyone approve such a thing, and not consider it a threat to freedom? Of course, they'll excuse it, claiming that this or that terrorist wannabe was ,viewing ISIS sites, and that sort of thing, and they stopped them. They won't talk about the people who did nothing, planned nothing, and were simply reading about various things, and expressing perfectly legal opinions!!

a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

There are going to be lots of fun supreme court cases coming up in the next decades or so over use of systems like these. The part that is really important is, are people going to have access to the data that they feed the algorithms.

Because this system undoubtedly will be abused by some cops with grudges. Getting people to make statements then hiding the folks that made the statements under anonymity laws. Of course if the statements were made maliciously the police and people that filed and made the statements would be punished, but how many years will that take to get sorted out?

As private citizens it will be an absolute must that we have access to the data that the algorithm is fed, and how the algorithm is coded. That last part throws another dynamic into the fray because the software company that builds these systems will most likely claim that entering the source code into evidence will violate their right to maintaining a trade secret.

Lots of fun times ahead.

That constant feeling you are being stared at by creepy entities has old women crossing the street to avoid members of her own social caste for the first time in history .

Just saying. Smartphones have not increased wages. Email didn't make my job more efficient. It only fulfilled the agenda of le borge.

a reply to: BlackProject

I see what you are saying but idk I think we can all reach a balanced compromise on these issues.

Like for instance... consider a child living in a parents house. The parent can be overbearing, constantly going through their child's things and that can be damaging and harmful to the child. Or the parent can be careless and never interested in the child's hobbies and interests... in which case the child could be bringing in drugs, guns, and all kinds of crazy things into your house.

So what now?

Also, the data being collected is... like you said, is maybe basically pointless, but only because there's so much of it and how do we organize it? It's got its own field. There are data analysts who basically are just trying to organize the data, so we can use it. It may be being used for mostly monetary means but it could and is also being used to help figure out how to make people happier and healthier and etc. The data collected in and of itself is not harmful, but what someone might do with it may or may not be harmful, I agree.

Also I immediately think about how I might feel in the dark at night walking through a parking lot to get to my car. And if I see those survellience signs? I think it makes me feel safer, crazy as that is. But that's maybe because I am trusting in that system... and maybe I'm trusting of it because I have been in a situation before where a crime was committed on camera and I was a witness and they caught the guy (that happened when I worked at MCD's).

So there's all of that to think about, too.

a reply to: geezlouise

Some points you make I see where you are coming from. However it is all on the premise that private data is not being used for bad. So many ways that data can and will be used for bad things. It may seem wonderful and great when you see it bring a criminal to justice but that is 1 in a 1,000 cases where it has worked as most criminals do not commit crimes on camera. Granted you may say its hidden, well I know the saying goes that criminals are stupid however in realistic terms, they are not that stupid. If anything they are more switched on then your average joe, hence the reason they do it and get away with it.

Your sense of security with the thought that your being watched and helped is that of personal belief it works. Actual fact most are not even connected and most are not looked into when a crime is committed. The real world is, those that control these systems install them for their own gain.

The only data collection that has helped our health are those we are asked if we wish to opt in not those that collect without asking. Think about this, in Scientology they learn all they can about their members so that if they wish to leave, they have something on everyone no matter how non criminal it may seem. This is their way of putting you in constant trapped state, to do as they say and say as they do.

The game with this is so big most are not seeing it, however just like any good end scenario. It will only be seen once its too late and that really is not me over reacting. I am a rational guy but I know my stuff when it comes to this.

Bad people will do bad things regardless of a watchful eye. The best treated youngster can still end up murdering someone or using a gun or smoking pot. The bad kids can sometimes want better for themselves and become real nice people.

a reply to: BlackProject

Actually I think there have been studies done on businesses that installed cameras on their properties- before and after kind of thing. They experienced a decrease in theft and petty crime.

My one experience is not the only one which someone I know was caught committing a crime on camera. And there's other more famous cases.

Yes people still commit crimes on camera (child porn hello)- as for the cases that I have personal knowledge of it's like they're testing boundaries or they share your belief, that half of the time the cameras aren't connected or recording. However, I personally experienced businesses that do record and keep video for a certain amount of time before disposing that data. And I think I disagree entirely... most people will think twice about committing a crime if they have even a shred of doubt about being watched and getting caught.

I am just saying, there's another side to everything you're saying. Yes there are dangers to it and I think we can protect ourselves by drawing lines and etc. I think privacy is important, too. I'm a very private person myself.

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originally posted by: geezlouise
a reply to: BlackProject



Also I immediately think about how I might feel in the dark at night walking through a parking lot to get to my car. And if I see those survellience signs? I think it makes me feel safer, crazy as that is. But that's maybe because I am trusting in that system... and maybe I'm trusting of it because I have been in a situation before where a crime was committed on camera and I was a witness and they caught the guy (that happened when I worked at MCD's).

So there's all of that to think about, too.

I can tell you this right now. That FEELING of "safety" is purely psychological. Those cameras don't deter as much as you might think. I will put it to you this way, if someone truly seeks to do you harm, a camera isn't going to prevent that.
You see, that's part of the problem. People are giving away their basic constitutional rights for this idealized form of "safety." Here's the cold, hard truth. There's no such thing as complete "safety." People slip and fall and kill themselves everyday in their kitchens and bathrooms. Were they "safe"? I am sure they THOUGHT they were.
We live in a society that has become a surveillance state due to fear of proverbial "bogeymen," namely "terrorists." However, statistically, you're far more likely to be killed by falling furniture than you are a "terrorist's" bomb. That's in any country in the world, not just the U.S. Us being a surveillance state has no impact on that statistic in the slightest.

a reply to: BlackProject

People who say they have nothing to fear because they have nothing to hide are thinking just the way those who made the saying up.

Contained in this statement or question as its often put is a very, very big deciet.

The deciet is this.

What the far ken hell makes these people think they are the ones who are going to determine whether or not they've got anything to hide or not???????

They are too naeive and beleiveing to see that they will be the last person to make this decision.

THe first person will be somebody sitting behind a screen in christ knows where in the world.

The second person who will make that decision will be a suit or two in your face in a polcie station somewhere.

The thrid person who will make that decision will be a magrsistratre of judge some where.

Now and only now you get your turn to decide wether or not you've done anyrhing wrong or to hide.

Come in sucker, come in sucker, come in sucker.

The first person who will

a reply to: SpeakerofTruth

But also have you considered that the parking lots and properties don't belong to you and are owned by someone else? And that they may just be protecting themselves and their own properties? And it's not up to you? Like who the fug are you to go into someone else's business/house/territory and start making demands?

I agree that if someone really wants to hurt you, they will find a way. But in regards to the cameras in parking lots, I guess it depends on what quality and what business and possibly location (I live in a middle class suburb area) but I personally know someone whose car was captured on camera multiple times during store thefts via parking lot cameras. They went to jail. For like a week maybe. Now on parole.

And I have more stories like that with fellow employees doing shady things and it being captured on camera. I think it's a good business practice to watch your business closely. I think it's our right like if I owned a business I would want to keep a watchful eye on it, wouldn't you? And so... due to my personal experiences- I psychologically have more trust in those systems.

Like I said before, when consequences are delivered... people begin to trust in that system. And when you believe in it, people are going to think twice about committing any crimes. So yes it's psychological, I agree.

a reply to: BlackProject

Now each and everyone one of us gets to be our own version of the true man show. Don't forget to say "truemania" in front of the cam.


OP, people just don't like peeping toms. Do you realize how they can record you and possibly even blackmail you with said info ?

Last time I checked I have no corporate rulers, so why should I or anyone allow...the corps to invade our privacy?

a reply to: SoulSurfer

Did you read my thread?

..Because my point was I am against them invading our privacy and I am fully aware of what they and said intruders can achieve.

So I agree with you just feels like you did not even read what I wrote.