My Visit to Planned Parenthood Today

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: Throes
I don't think anyone is saying abolish PP. Just stop the government funding and go back to it being funding by donations.

Not sure why, when other clinics that give free services receive government funding. This is a circular argument.

There are not free clinics where I live that provide gynecological services.

Defund them, too.

Besides, PP DOES take most of their cases as abortion or services leading up to abortion, they just lie about the statistics to make it look like they don't.

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: neo96

PP is NOT necessary.

PP offers people NOTHING they can't get elsewhere.

Well they can't 'just do abortions' , that wouldn't look good.

That is not what they mainly do.

Hospitals don't do that. Its the goto place for that.

But I get the need for it too.

Of course hospitals do. If you are not poor. you are going to a hospital in a good neighborhood (tell me Cedars Sinai doesn't perform abortions and I will eat my hat)

My understanding (someone help out) is that hospitals will not take life purposefully, thats why they don't preform abortions and send terminally ill patients to Hospice. It goes against the hippocratic oath.

Maybe thats changed...

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: Arizonaguy

I was raised by one, along with a drunken brother...
back in the day when they gave out peanut butter and powdered milk instead of food stamps...
funny thing, we always had food, might have been # on a shingle but it was food and never had a glass of powdered milk in my life.

other things were sacrificed. like when it was time to take the college entrance exams, I asked my mom for the $20 so I could take them.... maybe I should have asked when she was sober or something but her answer was that I didn't need college, I just needed to marry a rich man, one that would take care of her and me.
If I had taken them and went right into college, I would have had enough scholarship money from various sources to carry me through a full four years of collage, easily. but, na, "we couldn't afford it"...

This just proves my point. The money was available, but the alcoholic parent spent it, so you had to rely on the taxpayers to take care of you

a reply to: intrptr

most abortions can be done safely without hospitalization, so no hospital needed. but, under the right circumstances, yes, a hospital will do an abortion.

a reply to: Arizonaguy

no, the taxpayer didn't take care of us... my mom worked.... as a bartender.

a reply to: dawnstar

You stated that you receive government handed out Surplus USDA food. That wasn't free. The farmers were paid for that with taxpayer money. So yes you did have the government subsidizing your mother's alcohol problem. In other words we the taxpayers were paying so your mom could drink a lot

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: intrptr

most abortions can be done safely without hospitalization, so no hospital needed. but, under the right circumstances, yes, a hospital will do an abortion.

Like an emergency or threat to the mothers life, yah. Thats a very limited scope.

Hospitals are not abortion centers.

They are called planned parenthood today. In my day they were called abortion clinics. I lived across the street from one. The tales I could tell...

it got picketed, burned, bombed, protested. Regular circus every saturday morning (when they performed abrtions).

a reply to: Arizonaguy

no, I didn't I said that it was back in the time when the gov't was handing out peanut butter and powdered milk... and then I mentioned I have never drank a glass of powdered milk in my life!! which means we has real milk bought from the store...
occassionally, a can of peanut butter would make it into the house, but that was given to us by one of my mom's friends... who had a working husband who made decent money.... but they had something like 7 kids... so ya, they needed help!
the best freebie I remember was a case of birdeye pudding, but well.... that wasn't actually given to us, more like my brother and some of his friends were walking the tracks at the right time and found a rail care that was opened and well helped themselves to a few cases.

originally posted by: Throes

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: Throes
I don't think anyone is saying abolish PP. Just stop the government funding and go back to it being funding by donations.

Not sure why, when other clinics that give free services receive government funding. This is a circular argument.

There are not free clinics where I live that provide gynecological services.

Defund them, too.

Besides, PP DOES take most of their cases as abortion or services leading up to abortion, they just lie about the statistics to make it look like they don't.

No, they don't. That is a flat out lie.

Playing around with stats is one thing to prove a Conservative point, but that is a complete lie.

originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: intrptr

most abortions can be done safely without hospitalization, so no hospital needed. but, under the right circumstances, yes, a hospital will do an abortion.

Like an emergency or threat to the mothers life, yah. Thats a very limited scope.

Hospitals are not abortion centers.

They are called planned parenthood today. In my day they were called abortion clinics. I lived across the street from one. The tales I could tell...

it got picketed, burned, bombed, protested. Regular circus every saturday morning (when they performed abrtions).

PP is not the only place that does abortions. You are deluding yourself. Again, if you think Cedars Sinai doesn't do abortions, I will eat my hat.

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: Throes

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: Throes
I don't think anyone is saying abolish PP. Just stop the government funding and go back to it being funding by donations.

Not sure why, when other clinics that give free services receive government funding. This is a circular argument.

There are not free clinics where I live that provide gynecological services.

Defund them, too.

Besides, PP DOES take most of their cases as abortion or services leading up to abortion, they just lie about the statistics to make it look like they don't.

No, they don't. That is a flat out lie.

Playing around with stats is one thing to prove a Conservative point, but that is a complete lie.

You should read up then.

'The 3% Myth' - Why are they hiding the real number?

nypost.com...

a reply to: dawnstar

Well I'm not going to continue with this silly discussion because we are getting way off of topic now. Simple point is that if you have money for Booze you don't need Federal funding. That was in response to an analogy. If Planned Parenthood has money for abortions they don't need Federal funding

originally posted by: Throes

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: Throes

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: Throes
I don't think anyone is saying abolish PP. Just stop the government funding and go back to it being funding by donations.

Not sure why, when other clinics that give free services receive government funding. This is a circular argument.

There are not free clinics where I live that provide gynecological services.

Defund them, too.

Besides, PP DOES take most of their cases as abortion or services leading up to abortion, they just lie about the statistics to make it look like they don't.

No, they don't. That is a flat out lie.

Playing around with stats is one thing to prove a Conservative point, but that is a complete lie.

You should read up then.

'The 3% Myth' - Why are they hiding the real number?

nypost.com...

I have read that article that is reposted in other places. It's bunk. Like republican senators saying 94% of what PP does is abortions.

My Planned Parenthood got shut down.

Closest is 3 hours, one way.

Way to go Arizona.

originally posted by: Arizonaguy
a reply to: dawnstar

Well I'm not going to continue with this silly discussion because we are getting way off of topic now. Simple point is that if you have money for Booze you don't need Federal funding. That was in response to an analogy. If Planned Parenthood has money for abortions they don't need Federal funding

Both are the same. Seems like a legit argument. /sarc

originally posted by: Annee
My Planned Parenthood got shut down.

Closest is 3 hours, one way.

Way to go Arizona.

Wow. That is horrendous. One here closed. I would have been able to go to the next suburb over. I traveled a bit further, but not that far. That is a shame.

I wonder WHO that effects the most?

originally posted by: Annee
My Planned Parenthood got shut down.

Closest is 3 hours, one way.

Way to go Arizona.

Arizona has common sense. Why should we apologize for it?

originally posted by: Arizonaguy

originally posted by: Annee
My Planned Parenthood got shut down.

Closest is 3 hours, one way.

Way to go Arizona.

Arizona has common sense. Why should we apologize for it?

That is pretty dense. It will only cause Arizona to pay for more children. Then you will complain about welfare.

a reply to: reldra

Planned Parenthood Federation of America, Inc., is recognized as a 501(c)(3) nonprofit corporation by the Internal Revenue Service. A copy of our IRS tax-exempt status letter is available upon request. Former Legal Names of Planned Parenthood Federation of America, Inc.

Since a significant part of the taxpayers do not want federal funds going to them, what would be wrong with them being self supporting like most 501(c)(3)'s do? There are a large number of very rich, very powerful people who claim to support them and it would not be very hard to raise the funds from people who do support them. In fact I'm kind of confused why a charity with so much supposed support would even need to have taxpayer funding against the wishes of such a large number of taxpayers.

The solution is simple, they learn to fund-raise from all their very wealthy supporters, many of whom could write one check to cover their needs without any problem.

Would you be willing to fund raise for them yourself? To donate to them yourself?

originally posted by: Arizonaguy

originally posted by: Annee
My Planned Parenthood got shut down.

Closest is 3 hours, one way.

Way to go Arizona.

Arizona has common sense. Why should we apologize for it?

I live here too.