The Jesus Conspiracy

Quote: "It seems to me that the Jesus that is portrayed in the Bible was the Serpent in the Garden."

How Enlightened of you to Think so - Congratulations!

Quote: "Now this is what I am trying to figure out - the Lord God in the Garden - the one that wanted to keep Man and Woman in Ignorance?"

It is Impossible to know. It is better to know "GOD" through Christ - through Respect for ALL Creation - through the Spirit & through Yourself.

We have already Consumed the Fruit of the "Tree of Knowledge of Good & Evil" - now we must work with the "Tree of Life"!

The way i see it is that in Genesis chapter one there is the word God ( elohim) which is plural. Then when you get to chapter 2, down a few verses you Have LORD GOD. which means Leader of the Gods. Could this one of been the advesary? The one that drew a third of the elohims with him? he wanted to keep man and woman in ignorance. The reason he through them out of the Garden was because they became like the Gods. they became equal to him. instead of under him. do you know what i am saying. They could no longer be under his control. ( slaves) what do you think.?

Ok and the Serpent ( which i heard also means wisdom) told them that they would not die ( same message as jesus) serpent could also mean a shining one ( divine) in the concordance. I think that knowledge of Good and Evil would be a gift instead of a curse. Just think if when we were all born and we had no education? what a mess we would be. we would be in ignorance all our lives. We now can tell from right and wrong. I mean think why would The creator give us a brain if he didnt want us to use it? and they say that we only use a third of our brain? just think what we could do if we used all of it. He intended for us to use it because if it wasnt intended to be used ( only a third) why not give us just a third then LOL

Yeah, Chas.....

Its quite interesting this "Elohim" stuff, Im reading about them at the moment.....But don't tell Jason....shush.....Oh, Sorry.... I A S O N.....because that would be like believing you knew what colour underpants Jesus was wearing when he was crucified.....Oh, Well, My guess is "white"

Anyway......Yeah, the Elohim very interesting

Anyone else have anything to say about them???, oh..., apart from saying that you don't believe they 'ever' existed

Originally posted by Jacqua
Its quite interesting this "Elohim" stuff, Im reading about them at the moment.....But don't tell Jason....shush.....Oh, Sorry.... I A S O N.....because that would be like believing you knew what colour underpants Jesus was wearing when he was crucified.....Oh, Well, My guess is "white"

What point are you trying to make?

Anyone else have anything to say about them???, oh..., apart from saying that you don't believe they 'ever' existed

In other words, you only want to hear from believers.

I started my search in 1930 at age 18. Believe it or not I am now 93 years old. Only now after 75 years of devout seeking all over the world, from the Great Plains of Africa to the council of the wise men of Trah'akn to the Himalayan mistics and painstaking study of all languages, philosophies, religions, Biblical and occult sciences... here below is the absolute Secret of all Secrets. THE only answer and proof of all the intimate Secrets of God, Creation and THE universal Truth...Please, a word of caution...be careful how you use this knowledge...


Η θεολογία συζήτησης είναι τόσο άχρηστη όπως προσπαθώντας να
στραγγίξει τον ωκεανό με ένα κουταλάκι του γλυκού και μόνο οι
ανόητοι το κάνουν, επομένως εάν παίρνετε τα τα βακκίνια και τα μαγειρεύετε σε
κατσαρόλα όπως την πολτοποίηση μήλων, δοκιμάζει ακόμα πολύ περισσότερο όπως το ρεβέντι δαμάσκηνων
έπειτα...

Jesus was an actual person. The stories about him were mostly made up and/or tricks.
There are two concepts. In either case the ending does not change.
The first concept is that Jesus was the son of Augustus Caesar. This idea has great credibility.
The second concept is that Octavian and Jesus were the same person and the son of Julius.
It is also probable that Cleopatra was the mother of Jesus. In either case.
Some may doubt that thesis. To them I ask, "who else but Caesar and Cleopatra were in the position to create a package like Christianity".
The silliness of religion is becoming more and more apparent as intelligent people ask more intelligent questions.
Jumping up in someones face flogging the bible proves only that the flogger is incoherent and a victim of euphoria.
To poo-poo any conceptof the existance of God is only parroting someone else's idea of an intellect. "Monkey see, monkey do" style of reasoning.
Christianity is at best the Caesar's idea on hoe tomake the world a paradise under their rulership. This ideal is still in effect today by mortals Therefore it will never succeed.
If you have any questions please email them to [email protected].

Originally posted by lapi7
I started my search in 1930 at age 18. Believe it or not I am now 93 years old. Only now after 75 years of devout seeking all over the world, from the Great Plains of Africa to the council of the wise men of Trah'akn to the Himalayan mistics and painstaking study of all languages, philosophies, religions, Biblical and occult sciences... here below is the absolute Secret of all Secrets. THE only answer and proof of all the intimate Secrets of God, Creation and THE universal Truth...Please, a word of caution...be careful how you use this knowledge...


Η θεολογία συζήτησης είναι τόσο άχρηστη όπως προσπαθώντας να
στραγγίξει τον ωκεανό με ένα κουταλάκι του γλυκού και μόνο οι
ανόητοι το κάνουν, επομένως εάν παίρνετε τα τα βακκίνια και τα μαγειρεύετε σε
κατσαρόλα όπως την πολτοποίηση μήλων, δοκιμάζει ακόμα πολύ περισσότερο όπως το ρεβέντι δαμάσκηνων
έπειτα...

Lapi7... i`m sorry but is this greek or something? can you write this in english for me? i can`t read Greek. i need an interperator

Les benton
I also heard this story also. They are not sure who he was because there were many that claimed to be the Sun of God. I am still convinced that somehow John Baptist( christ) was more of a true messenger of God. There was something about him that i keep going back to. what do you think?

I was wondering if Jihaesun or anyone else could answer:


What is this thing about Ponce Pilate ?


I was always told that the two proofs
of Jesus existence was roman
records of one accusation,
and also the facts that a couple
disparate books mentioned the sermon,
making it likely to have happened.


My take on the bible is that.......


Obviously it's been written by various
hands because the texts are philosophically
contradicting: at one point it's all nice and lovely,
at the other it's kill that fagget.

This said, all the account of life of Jesus
bring a panoply of philosophically enlightening thoughts.

These accounts come from very varied sources.


All seems to suggest that indeed something happen,
perhaps a very good man that was faultly accused,
and that made people angry and they talked about
him, and that propagated a legend.

I don't believe in a conspiracy because the documents
are too spread. There is an insistance of wanting to
put on paper stuff heard from people.

"Life is harsh....they are wars...but we heard of this man
who had things to say".


Regardless if Jesus existed or not, someone out there,
an imaginary Jesus, or a group of people, had philosophical intentions
worth of admiration. Not much out of the 4th gospels
is morally reproachable (while I can find tons of writtings
morally reproachable in the rest of NT).


So Jesus can become the big interrogation mark
philosopher, like Bouddha (do ww have evidences on buddha?).



My question is this:

With all the talks.......where are the goddamn original texts
today in 2005 ?

Maybe it is time we do a great international symposium with many specialists and historicians studying them ?


I want to see pictures of the texts, diagrams
of proofs for historic arguments.

They are certainly specialists of oral tradition and collectiv psychology that could tell if it is humanly possible that varied text sources could talk about a mythologic existence that happened to live within historical contexts.

I trust more of a telephone line thing when exact events are transformed.


I definitely believe that the Vatican shifted a lot of things but that is why we need study the original texts in 2005 and date them thoroughly,
scrutinizing possible roman forgeries.


Cheers,


Cedric

Yes Centiment - there is Documented Proof of the Existence of the Historical Buddha. The title Buddha means "Universally Awakened One". The Indian Prince (of the Sakya Clan a.k.a. SakyaMuni Buddha) Siddharta Gautama (563-544 B.C.) is attributed to being the "Historical Buddha".

The Title "Christ" means "Anointed Messiah". Although I also Believe that "Jesus" or more likely to the Hebrew/Aramaic tongue "Yehshuah" was a man that actually lived - I believe that many of the Supernatural Powers attributed to him was Mythologically grafted on later in history. His philosophy was later turned into various "Organized Religions" which eventually ended up Corrupting the Original Message/Philosophy of its Founder! It is a shame when this happens.
It is no wonder that so many Conspiracies can be traced back to the Origins of so-called "Christianity".


[edit on 7-7-2005 by Seraphim_Serpente]

Is that why Mohammed is more hardly believed ?


Because of historical evidences that he really
wrote his stuff ?


Sometimes I wonder if we shouldn't discredit
Mohammed, because this religion nowaday
is like Christian circa 1100.


Cedric

Originally posted by SomewhereinBetween

Originally posted by Jacqua
Its quite interesting this "Elohim" stuff, Im reading about them at the moment.....But don't tell Jason....shush.....Oh, Sorry.... I A S O N.....because that would be like believing you knew what colour underpants Jesus was wearing when he was crucified.....Oh, Well, My guess is "white"

What point are you trying to make?

Anyone else have anything to say about them???, oh..., apart from saying that you don't believe they 'ever' existed

In other words, you only want to hear from believers.

Yes, well your right, Somes.......I gues I am.....

Because 'unbelievers' would just say......Oh, that is just C***

And believers, may be able to tell me more.....

I don't even know if I believe it all myself, though I find it interesting, and am willing to keep an open mind.......That, was what I meant

and, can someone here please translate that......"language" above there

Originally posted by Jacqua

Originally posted by SomewhereinBetween
In other words, you only want to hear from believers.

Yes, well your right, Somes.......I gues I am.....
Because 'unbelievers' would just say......Oh, that is just C***

Then you are best served on a pro-Jesus site, since no one there will be challenging you. If positive feedback is all you are interested in reading, then might I suggest you do not prowl any sites with differing opinions?

Some of us non-religious "evils"
actually take the writtings of the 4th gospels
in high esteem.


We just don't think that
to do good we must have
selfish reasons, such as hoping
to earn a space up there.


And it has nothing to do with refuting
the magics of the Universe.



This world would be better off
thinking Jesus was a philosopher.

It is the god-fearing aspect
of religion that makes its
philosophic aspect go wrong.


Moral can be proven by other
means than god.

If these gospels are forged, than
that is the mistakes of these men
to think forged literature would make
the world better understand the goods
they were trying to teach.


Stop fearing death.

Be good and you will be ok,
whatever happens.


Cedric

Originally posted by SomewhereinBetween

Originally posted by Jacqua

Originally posted by SomewhereinBetween
In other words, you only want to hear from believers.

Yes, well your right, Somes.......I gues I am.....
Because 'unbelievers' would just say......Oh, that is just C***

Then you are best served on a pro-Jesus site, since no one there will be challenging you. If positive feedback is all you are interested in reading, then might I suggest you do not prowl any sites with differing opinions?

I was just talking about the subject of the 'Elohim' Somes, not everything,

I genuinly like reading everyones opinions whether they agree or not....I gues I was just havn a day of wanting some positive replys.....,

s.....that okay.....


And yeah, by all means suggest what you like.....But you don't even know me, so how do you know what sites Id be interested in

QUOTE////Jesus never claimed to be "GOD" - Roman Catholicism declared him so - he claimed that we are
*ALL the Children of the Living God* - so in that case we should all treat each other with Respect & Compassion. We should Love each other, Live in Peace & Worship the Divine!
.............

"The Word became flesh and dwelt among us" (John 1:14)

The WORD...LOGOS!
the Lord Jesus Christ referred to Himself as being eternal.
For instance when the Jews asked Him "who art Thou?",
Jesus replied "Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning" (John 8:25).
Shortly after this He added: "Verily, verily I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM" (John 8:58).
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God speaks through the mouths of prophets:

“Yet one little while, and I will move the heaven and the earth, and the sea, and the dry land, And I will move all nations, — And the Desired of all Nations shall come: and I will fill this house with glory, saith the Lord of hosts… Great shall be the glory of this last house, more than the first…” (Aggeus 2:6-7).

“Behold the Man whose name is the BRANCH, From His place He shall branch out, and He shall build the Temple of the Lord… He shall be a priest on His throne” (Zach. 6:12-13).

“Behold I send My Angel (the prophet John) and he shall prepare the way before My face and presently the Lord whom you seek shall unexpectedly come into His temple, and the Angel of the Testament whom you desire. Behold He comes, saith the Lord of Hosts” (Mal. 3:1).



God the Father calls the Messiah “The desired of all Nations,” “Branch,” “Lord” and “Angel of the Testament.”
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helen

[edit on 7/10/2005 by helen670]

Did Jesus Exist? Yes
Did Jesus Do all the things it said about him in the Bible? No

Jesus Christ did exist, only he never performed any miracles or anything physically impossible like that.
Jesus was kind of like Tony Robbins, only on a much larger scale. So many people followed him and became obsessed with him, hell, theres still a helluva lot of people like that today. Thats all I have to say....

Quote: ""The Word became Flesh and dwelt among us" (John 1:14)

The Lord Jesus Christ referred to Himself as being Eternal."


Yes the Holy Spirit is Eternal. Let me ask you a Question - if we call our selves "Christ-ians" - if we follow Christ's Teachings - if we Consume the "Body of Christ" during Mass, as Christ instructed us to do in his Memory, the New Covenant - are we not ONE with Christ & hence ONE with God? Are we not also the Eternal "Children of God"? We are ALL the Word made Flesh!

Father, Son & Holy Spirit - does this Ring a Bell?

Seraphim_Serpente:
His philosophy was later turned into various "Organized Religions" which eventually ended up Corrupting the Original Message/Philosophy of its Founder! It is a shame when this happens.

What part would you say is corrupted?
Do you have any knowledge of his Philosophy?
Because you post a simple question as if you have no knowledge of it.

Seraphim_Serpente:
Are we not also the Eternal "Children of God"? We are ALL the Word made Flesh!

Yeheshuah is the tree of life which was once taken away from us in the beginning of are creation all who is chosen by the father Are Eternal Children of God.

the spirit can not die but the flesh can. those who are chosen by the father
to eat of the tree of life will partake of the resurrection and thus the resurrection will free them from continual reencanation.
those who partake of the resurrection will receive an physical flesh inmortal body to live throughout the universe.

john 1:10-13
He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. 11He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. 12Yet to all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— 13children born not of natural descent,[c] nor of human decision or a husband's will, but born of God.

To receive an immortal body the spirit must be born again.

John 3:3-8
3In reply Jesus declared, "I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again.[a]"
4"How can a man be born when he is old?" Nicodemus asked. "Surely he cannot enter a second time into his mother's womb to be born!"
5Jesus answered, "I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit. 6Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit. 7You should not be surprised at my saying, 'You[c] must be born again.' 8The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit."

You cant judge philosophy if you dont know what its about.