Bannon's Apocalypse - Dangerous Ideology in the Whitehouse

a reply to: DeadMoonJester

There's a difference in believing in this theory and that dangerous times may be ahead of us and actively going out of one's way to create this destructive scenario. These are two completely different things and I think you're being both hysterical and disingenuous for equating them.

True. There is a difference between the two.

Yet, if you have an ideologue of great power and influence, then how they see the world matters. It tells you what risks they might take, what actions might seem acceptable, what vision they might wish to impose.

Most people are not powerful, so it doesn't matter if they believe war is inevitable and that we are already at war on both ideological and physical fronts (i.e. With "Islam" or "radical Islam" and "terrorism" which are being conflated currently.)

So I'm not being "disingenuous" at all here nor am I being "hysterical." I'm serious and seriously concerned over what he might try to do in his "burn it all down" process, combined with some rather bad personality traits he has regarding petty revenge.

He is definitely not a moderating influence on President Trump and instead seems to be assisting in the creation of chaos. Even if someone agrees with the travel ban, they would most likely agree that it created instant chaos and fear. Why do that? To surprise the enemy? At what expense to the vast majority of law abiding, America loving people?

Anyway, we agree on China!

a reply to: DeadMoonJester

Oh. I also meant to mention that Bannon has a bit of religious zealotry mixed in with his beliefs.

And he seriously thinks the next war will be bigger than WW II and seems to revel in the idea of destruction so his vision of the reconstruction can come true. He seems to want a Crusade against Islam in general through the door of "radical Islamic terrorism".

Bannon stressed that “the people in this room, and the people in the Church” must “bind together and really form what I feel is an aspect of the Church militant, to really be able to not just stand with our beliefs but to fight for our beliefs against this new barbarity that’s starting that will literally eradicate everything that we’ve been bequeathed over the last 2,000 and 2,500 years.”

In his speech, Bannon articulated a view of the world as a constant conflict between the capitalist “Judeo-Christian West,” which is a benevolent force of “enlightenment,” and the malevolent forces of socialism, atheism, and Islam.

Link (there are other sources for this too)

So you see, the ideological "war" of ideas is getting turned into a Christian Holy War of sorts.

It ain't secular. I wish it was.

And I sincerely hope I am 100% wrong to be worrie about this man being on the National Security Council and being Trump's top visionary.

originally posted by: BELIEVERpriest
a reply to: knowledgehunter0986

Oh you mean the 7 mountains previously owned by the left? That's great news!

And that justifies a Dominionist takeover of the government in what way?

Funny how all these Trumpsters like to point out the faults of the left, as if it some how justifies the crap Trump wants to pull.

I'm a Libertarian, so I'm not impressed with any of it to be honest.

Except the "crap" Trump wants to pull is just you projecting fear. He hasn't done anything nefarious yet, why are you worried? When in fact the previous party HAS ALREADY done a bunch of crap?

You being a libertarian was already obvious to me. Not that I have anything against you for it..

a reply to: AboveBoard

He wants to burn down the political establishment. Not worldwide civilisation.

But yeah, you may have a point or two.

a reply to: AboveBoard

You're 100% right to worry about Bannon being where he is but it's also 100% right by the same flip of the coin to be worried about expansionist cultures like Islamic state or that as Bannon said ww3 will be bigger than ww2 ( ww2 was bigger than world war 1) and will most likely be in the south china sea because I guess asian nations who want to be independent dislike the idea of Communist China making artificial islands and placing 3rd generation stealth fighters on them. Seriously clutch that blade big guy.
"Less well known is the paradox of tolerance: Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them."-Karl Popper palice

a reply to: knowledgehunter0986

Its not Trump himself that concerns me. Its people like Bannon and his "fourth turn" rhetoric. Its the churches and congressmen who support the politicization of Christianity.

Don't these things worry you at all? If they actually start doing this stuff, we'll be going back to Byzantine Rome under Constantinople. It's a very slippery slope.

I'll take socialist liberalism over Ecclesiastical Federalism any day of the week.

a reply to: BELIEVERpriest

Yeah Let's just ignore that the Vatican held a world congress on the illicit and booming industry of illegal organ harvesting where it took you and yours truly to be able to point out that historically Christian Country's where the only ones to denounce China's use of political prisoners as organ donors. Which they promptly denied because Communists have no religion and are hence reprehensible of nothing and said that they stopped that long ago.

a reply to: AboveBoard

I'm not saying I dislike shapiro. I am simply saying he is not nearly as effective.
He does not win very many people over.
Conservatives and libertarians have been trying the principled fight for a long time. The other side has not. Being principled has got us no where's.
That time is over. Combined with the fact that being soft like shapiro lets it co-opted so easily by establishment republicans which are worse than plenty on the other side.
Now that there is separation, we can see how small this establishment was, they have little support outside the beltway.

originally posted by: BeneGesseritWitch
a reply to: AboveBoard

You're 100% right to worry about Bannon being where he is but it's also 100% right by the same flip of the coin to be worried about expansionist cultures like Islamic state or that as Bannon said ww3 will be bigger than ww2 ( ww2 was bigger than world war 1) and will most likely be in the south china sea because I guess asian nations who want to be independent dislike the idea of Communist China making artificial islands and placing 3rd generation stealth fighters on them.

So we agree that I'm right to be worried about Bannon being where he is at, in a seat of power? Well, good then!


The Islamic State (ISIS) -- as differentiated from Islam as a whole -- is worrisome indeed, and they need to be put in check. This is not something I would argue with at all - so I agree with you there. I'm not sure why you think I wouldn't? Not a fan of terrorists here...

I also think China is pushing boundaries with their little islands. They do that EVERY time there is a new administration coming into the US, by the way, and they need to be responded to firmly, but without starting a war. They are testing us, and so far we've managed to insult them, but I don't think we've approached them in a smart way, yet, regarding their new militarized ocean bases. China, incidentally, isn't strictly communist. They have a ton of capitalism there, too!

Trade wars are something that is the bigger threat with China, in the near future, I think. Everybody loses in a trade war, and I don't want to see all our prices for daily living go up. That is another issue with how "everything is seen as a war" coming from Bannon, and Trump seems to agree? I say that with a question mark as I'm not sure yet how that will all play out, other than the TPP being cancelled, which had enough cons in it to be worrisome in and of itself.

(Note - you are new here so I will cut you slack. I will respond to your points, but not to the "sword clutching." I'm also a woman, so there's that... *eye roll*)

Take care.

a reply to: BeneGesseritWitch

The Papal order has very little power relative to what it use to have 1000 years ago. That was back when they used to wage holy wars and slaughter millions of people in the name of religion. It wasn't until most of their power was taken away that they became the relatively benign humanitarian lonely hearts club that they are today. America is too religious at its core to descend into total atheistic communism over night, but to go into totalitarian theocracy. That isn't difficult at all.

originally posted by: BELIEVERpriest
a reply to: knowledgehunter0986

Its not Trump himself that concerns me. Its people like Bannon and his "fourth turn" rhetoric. Its the churches and congressmen who support the politicization of Christianity.

Don't these things worry you at all? If they actually start doing this stuff, we'll be going back to Byzantine Rome under Constantinople. It's a very slippery slope.

I'll take socialist liberalism over Ecclesiastical Federalism any day of the week.

Why would it worry me? It's all conjecture and im not insecure enough to project my fears onto 'what ifs"

Nothing has happened in this administration that has worried me, other than the rhetoric and narrative the left constantly try to push and the burning desire to paint Trump as this nefarious racist demon.

I can see through all the bs for what it is. And I'll worry when something actually happens. I won't worry speculating what ifs.

originally posted by: BELIEVERpriest
a reply to: BeneGesseritWitch

America is too religious at its core to descend into total atheistic communism over night, but to go into totalitarian theocracy. That isn't difficult at all.

And that is the damn truth or maybe the damned truth. Laugh or cry these days, so I'll do a bit of both.

This country is primed, (that is desperate, a little hungry and getting hungrier, angry and very scared), for religious extremism. Bannon might be just the guy to manipulate that to his advantage. He may over step though; Trump does not like people who may threaten his authoritah. If Bannon missteps, and gets too big for his britches in front of the God Emperor well, so much for his fourth turning.

a reply to: redhorse

You could even argue that this website is primed for that same kind of intervention. From Above board claiming to go easy on me because "I'm new here" to even just the kind of religious extremism (in the broadest and most honest sense) that everyone displays in they're own choice of profile symbolism.

a reply to: redhorse

Bannon seems like the kind that has self control. He'll hang back for a while, whispering into Trump's ear. Its the possibility of a Pence/Bannon (or Cruz/Bannon) ticket in 2020 or 2024 that I'm really watching for. Cuz as we continue on this trend, it will be by 2024 that we will have degenerated enough to go full Crusade Mode.

I think between now and 2024, we're going to see a lot of nasty preparatory work.

This thread is full of so much fear mongering, I don't even know where to begin. So I won't.

I'll just leave this here. It's weird how the liberals were so against fear mongering tactics Bush used during his era to "end terror". Now the libs flip the script against the U.S. and are once again displaying their hypocrisy.

Have fun with your weird little Bannon is Satan pow wow.

originally posted by: BeneGesseritWitch
a reply to: redhorse

You could even argue that this website is primed for that same kind of intervention. From Above board claiming to go easy on me because "I'm new here" to even just the kind of religious extremism (in the broadest and most honest sense) that everyone displays in they're own choice of profile symbolism.

I'm going to step briefly off topic...


Enough already. As to your allusion to my avatar, I hate to disappoint you. It is not some secret religious symbology and any such ideas from it are purely your own interpretation. The images are of female warriors and they have no other meaning.

I chose them when I created the avatar for one reason only - I have a very sick child and I need to be "warrior mama."

I hope that helps.

So back to the thread, please. I hope you will speak more to the subject at hand, if you care to, rather than me personally.

a reply to: Wookiep

I never said Bannon was Satan. Goodness.

I'm not calling names, I am dealing with the ideology of Steve Bannon. It is worrisome to me.

I remember a lot of threads about how people were going to be put in FEMA camps by Obama, so I really don't feel too bad...