Why Finland Schools Rank #1 In the World, and the USA Flounders

a reply to: DJMSN

I am with you on the money. Everything is about money. Ordinary students don't bring in money except by their attendance. But nothing to incentivize their education. Just their presence is all that is needed.

This is where the change needs to take place. parents more excited about a football game than their child's success.

originally posted by: Annee

What exact basis do they use to determine ranking?

What are the criteria's?

The entire country of Finland is about the size of California.

How do you realistically compare the two countries?

Good questions Annee.

From what I can tell and from the top rating systems in the world Finland appears to be ranked 1 through 5.

Here's one where they are #4, but it's still up there.

fairreporters.net...

Finland is an interesting member of this list. For a long time it led educational systems around the world on this list. In 2015 though it got bumped to number five on the list, being replaced by Asian countries. Its drop may be due in part to the increased attention put on school systems by the countries that ousted it.

Unlike many countries, Finland has short school days and fills the rest of the day with school-sponsored educational activities. They believe that there is a good portion of learning to be done outside the classroom. The schools in Finland build the community and help to create identity among the citizens.

The teachers in Finland also go through some of the best education in the world. While literacy rates may be one method to show the success of an educational system they do not predict the overall value of the system. For example, the United States, which has a 99.99% literacy rate, comes in number 14. More goes into determining what entails a good educational system.

For example, one critical area the United States educational system lacks in is real life education. Having a good education is key in life. Not only does it set you up for success in terms of a career but it also determines how you are perceived socially. A good education allows you to fit in with the higher educated crowds. With how key education is to our success as a world shouldn’t there be a large focus globally on our education?

I don't think size is the issues here, but more about certain states saying F it, and doing what is in the best interest of the children. Clearly we need to revamp the chaos that we already have, so maybe the smaller states have a better chance at it.

originally posted by: eluryh22
a reply to: Spider879

Liberal Arts is only considered a waste on the collegiate level because it is, essentially, a degree in nothing.

You focusing on the world "liberal" makes me wonder exactly what point you are trying to make....?

I think we MIGHT agree on private schools.... but your pose was essentially one run-on sentence so it's hard to figure out where you are coming from.

My point is liberal arts should not be dropped it's a mistake, the focus on the vocational only do not make for a thinking public just robots or human adding machines .
My other point is the public schools are being made to fail, they use to be better it needn't be this way.

a reply to: Realtruth

Because they don't have the Department of Education forcing bs down people's throat to sell books to schools.

originally posted by: amfirst1
a reply to: Realtruth

Because they don't have the Department of Education forcing bs down people's throat to sell books to schools.

No argument there.

The political BS the public educational system has to contend with is criminal, and ignorant. There are many wonderful teachers, and administrators that understand what needs to be done, but they lack support from the majority of parents in the USA. Until people focus their awareness on the issues they will remain in a chaotic state.

a reply to: Realtruth

I'm raising my kid to best fit into the world he will have to function in.

It's going to be very, very competitive - - even more so then now.

While I believe/support a "rounded" education - - I take a firm stance on the "three R's".

And as I taught my kids - - be a self starter and Learn Everything. NEVER say Not My Job. If they want you to clean the toilet, you clean the toilet. You never know if you might be in a situation where an experienced toilet cleaner is needed.

We don't do sports. We do performance arts (public speaking), etc. Any questions he asks, we research on the computer.

His public school in SOCA stresses kindness and manners. They also allow kids to sit anywhere they want in their classroom during reading. Most of the classes have rug and pillow areas.

Maybe if you stay in Finland, but I think some of those kids would have difficulty elsewhere when they become adults.

originally posted by: Kettu

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
I suspect they're based on good plain old education, whereas here the system is more bent on social engineering than actual education. A citizenry just smart enough to pump the gas, but not know how the gas pump actually works is the general model. Oh, and lots of skin, hair and fashion products.

You get out of school what you want. If you're motivated you can take harder advanced classes. The only social engineering that goes on is the kind weak minds allow to take root.

So you're an authority on Social Engineering, or you just think you "get it" because you went to school?

Okay, fine, but only if you can give us a rational reason for America being left in the dust? Norway has TV right? Drugs, no?

originally posted by: eluryh22

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
I suspect they're based on good plain old education, whereas here the system is more bent on social engineering than actual education.

Tons and tons of THIS.

Since our education program is fully controlled by the liberals lets ask them why it sucks....

a reply to: Realtruth

I know the video is only a short snapshot of the Finnish system; but it seems they know what they're doing
let the kids play
get them and architects to design the play areas
no homework ( the mind needs rest from constant learning )

great vid "teachers are appreciated in this country"

a reply to: Annee

Maybe if you stay in Finland, but I think some of those kids would have difficulty elsewhere when they become adults

The Finnish can't help but be exposed to many cultures around them - 1 hour and they're in Europe.
I suspect they would do far better in the rest of the world than Americans outside the USA.
American's are very insular.

www.huffingtonpost.com...

We are scared
We are just plain old ignorant
We think you have to speak the language
We aren’t given vacation time

originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight

We are scared
We are just plain old ignorant
We think you have to speak the language
We aren’t given vacation time

Speak for yourself.

A while back my daughter had a roommate from Finland. He was a mess. He lacked any sort of logic what-so-ever (not saying all Fins are this way).

a reply to: Annee

He lacked any sort of logic what-so-ever (not saying all Fins are this way).

Well, if that is what you thought of him, he could have had an IQ of 142. I doubt you would have recognized it. You are comparing another persons logic to your own and you base that assessment on what you believe to be your own faultless logic.

Many may see it differently.

P

a reply to: Annee

Speak for yourself.

If you bothered looking at that link - it was written by an American. Did you even look at any of the other videos? It took me 10 minutes of videos and some googling of stats to form some sort of opinion. By the way we spent 5 weeks in the USA in 2015 and have been to Europe many times.
Whilst not having been to Finland it appears that their overhauling of the Education system has worked wonders.

originally posted by: Realtruth

originally posted by: jellyrev
Finnish people did not implode their culture. A culture molds the government via voting and then synergizes with civic culture.

Want to be like Finland? Have your citizens adopt finnish culture.
Want to be like another country adopt that culture.

That's a logical fallacy. One does not need to adopt a culture to make an educational system actually work.

Are you claiming a people can exist without culture(language, morals, social habits, beliefs, etc). How could people have the belief education is good without culture?

Culture creates environments that push students to do well, pushes parents to help their children, educational achievement is praised.

If culture does not matter explain why asians, whites, hispanics, and blacks all score different? You are going to have problems explaining asian americans.
White americans are right in line with Europe, coming in at about the same score as Germany. Scores fell when the mainstream culture lost consensus.

originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight

Whilst not having been to Finland it appears that their overhauling of the Education system has worked wonders.

Yes, it worked in Finland.

I live in 2 states. CA and AZ.

Just crossing that one border is like night and day. Separate worlds, separate cultures.

Los Angeles is highly competitive. SW AZ is not.

Few coming from SW AZ to LA would ever make it.

originally posted by: pheonix358
a reply to: Annee

He lacked any sort of logic what-so-ever (not saying all Fins are this way).

Well, if that is what you thought of him, he could have had an IQ of 142. I doubt you would have recognized it. You are comparing another persons logic to your own and you base that assessment on what you believe to be your own faultless logic.

Many may see it differently.

P

What I thought of him?

It's how he was. It is not how I thought of him.

a reply to: Annee

What I thought of him? It's how he was. It is not how I thought of him.

Jeez.

Such a positive nature you have there.

P

originally posted by: AgarthaSeed
a reply to: Realtruth

"We should be teaching our kids HOW to think instead of WHAT to think."

Don't be silly!
That would be the end of the easily manipulated and propagandized electorate!

The Educational System Was Designed to Keep Us Uneducated and Docile
The Memory Hole
Sep. 09, 2009

www.informationliberation.com...

a reply to: Realtruth


I am from Finland. Sure, we rank tops in the educational system along with some Asian countries. Please explain then why the same countries also rank highest in suicide rates? Is there a correlation between the amount of brainwashing done? I have no answer to this other than the question I just posed.

a reply to: Realtruth

Careful...part of what makes education work in countries like Finland is the socialist aspect of education.

Oh and the socialist healthcare system.

Oh and Agenda 21!

Pretty much what most here would describe as the.....

NWO!