Wrongly Demonized - Promoters of Goodness & Freedom - Knights Templar, Freemasonry, & Illuminati

a reply to: Sahabi

Those who think Sahabi did a wrong doing have to much ambition and to little honesty, I think Sahabi did right, he fitted tailored a story from start to end, with only information that is true to him and his research.

For some who believe he did wrong, please show where a single notion of something from the mystery schools were left open..
Gathering information already written is not a secret.

In my world he did good, in someone elses world, he might have broken a rule or two.. But there is a difference between standing below and having an opinion, and knowing what is a true mystery..

originally posted by: Sahabi
a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

• "other side": the Inquisitors of the Authoritative Religious Institutions.

• "whose secrets": the secrets of knowledge, science, and philosophy.

"Exposure of secrets of evil people would not mean good people need to keep secrets. Good has no reason to hide."

People were arrested, tortured, and executed by religious inquisitions simply for propagating science, philosophy, and alternative religious interpretations. This was plenty reason for intellectuals to work in secrecy.

Fair enough. That's a reason, in those days, to be secretive. What about today?

a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

Hello again LadyGreenEyes. I answered your question a couple pages back, I'm not sure if you saw it:

originally posted by: Sahabi

originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes
a reply to: Sahabi

One simple question for you.

If they are for all good things, why the secrecy?

• Another reason for secrecy is that; in philosophic and metaphysical endeavors, if someone point-blank tells you something that you did not have a chance to work on or think of for yourself,... 1. It loses it's importance, and 2. You may reject it. If a very important concept is told to you directly, it forever takes away the magical moment of epiphany and self-realization.

For example, you can not be told who you are, you must determine that on your own. As soon as someone else tells us who we are, we push it away as an unwanted judgmental opinion.


• Another point is akin to Jesus' teaching in Matthew 7:6; "Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces."

This means, certain teachings must be carefully imparted only to those who are worthy,... because a wicked person will use the teachings for wicked intentions,... and a person incapable of understanding will lead themselves astray with their own error.

As knowledge is power,... it is wise to make sure that knowledge is passed on to those who will not abuse the outer world nor disservice themselves.

Self-discovery and self-realizations are more profound and more beneficial when the individual walks through the door themselves, rather than having the experience of walking through that door explained to them.

a reply to: Sahabi

Someone once said;" Its better to walk hand in hand through difficult times, so you can guide those who lost themselves in a journey called life "

Knowledge is not power, but knowledge becomes power when its used wrongly, its ambition that portrays the simple words;" Knowledge is power, cause they seek power not knowledge "

a reply to: tikbalang

Walking hand-in-hand is what friendship, brotherhood, and love is all about. We can walk together as equals, but only; we ourselves, can feel, think, and experience. Others can not do this for us.

We are empowered by each iota of shared human knowledge, invention, and achievement. We can be empowered without domineering others. We can wield power, without ever oppressing, subjugating, or cultivating suffering.

As mentioned in the OP,... Fire empowers us over darkness and cold. Knowledge of Time empowers us to better plan, prepare, and project into the further.

Power does not equate to dominating rule. However, some do seek to use power as a tool to dominate and rule.

a reply to: Sahabi Did you get a chance to read that Jesus Wife link ?

In a world beset by many problems such as tyranny and other abuses of power
There have always been those who's vision is for the advancement of Humanity towards a brighter future

In the days of the Bavarian Illuminati - Such abuses of power by state and church were self evident
Now this does not mean that all in power are corrupted by self interest
Nor does it mean that the Illuminati and Masonary is exempt of Human failings and flaws

What it does mean is that principles for behaviour are set down to be followed
Each individual is free to interpret such principles... In respect of how they apply them in their own life's and inter actions with others

Deeper study reveals that there are Natural/Universal Laws at play in the world
The principles laid down by the Illuminati and Masonary concur with such laws ... and reveal a Higher purpose for the betterment of all

These principles are foundations to build upon...

a reply to: artistpoet

"Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness" is a well-known phrase in the United States Declaration of Independence. The phrase gives three examples of the "unalienable rights" which the Declaration says have been given to all human beings by their Creator, and which governments are created to protect.

a reply to: the2ofusr1

originally posted by: the2ofusr1
a reply to: Sahabi

One of the comments I came across that kind of gave me pause for though was that Trump defeated both the Bush and the Clinton camps .Extending that thought forward it was not hard to imagine that to have TNWO would require a choice to both appease and control . The two party system of two sides of the same coin moving the people where they want to go or be is born out with the Hegelian dialectic .

I am also of the opinion, that; there are clandestine nudges that seek key influence in all parties: "Controlled Opposition". Not that all officials are corrupt, more like; the appropriate "bases" are covered.

The thing for me personally is that Hegel describes what goes on in a spiritual sense .

Would any of Hegel have any component you can identify within yourself and your group ? I only ask because if true then remaining static is not a option and the discharge would manifest in a progressive direction .ie. past history and doctrines developing to something other then ...

Problem, Reaction, Solution, of a preconceived and preformulated; Thesis, Antithesis, and Synthesis.

I can most certainly identify Hegel within my personal self. Not so much so as a deliberate conscious effort, but more like; the Hegelian Dialectic definitely caters to our lower base-instincts, i.e.; survival and fear. I see it, and I can feel it's subtle and persuasive influences. It is literally; "Psychological Shepherding". This dialectic is most certainly a silent weapon for quiet wars.

One key, in my opinion, is to understand the dialectic, and then raise one's awareness above the presented model. This takes the loftier qualities of the intellect; prudence, knowledge, understanding, wisdom, and foresight.

Another key, in my opinion, is to metaphysically raise one's vibration above the dense energies of survival and fear. This is to make a conscious effort to cultivate positive emotional and mental states; peace, happiness, love, compassion, kindness, acceptance, forgiveness, and similar.

Aiming for the positive may appear as being caught in a dual-paradigm, but I don't believe that it is, when the positive is pursued without cursing the negative. In my personal experiences (not authoritative), the reconciliation of the many into the one, has been more easily achieved through the positive.




I'm still halfway through the Gospel article. It is a fun read so far

a reply to: Sahabi

That's more a discussion of magic, than it is of going good deeds. Jesus also never said to keep things secret; He simply said don't share treasures with people who will not accept them. However, the Words he shared are NOT secret, and the knowledge is available for all.

a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

That's more a discussion of magic

Our discussion, so far, has had nothing to do with magic. Magic is the science and art of co-creating with Will.

What we are talking about is the freshness and ardor that comes with experiencing something for one's self, rather than being dictated with preconceptions. It is the moment of realization, epiphany, and eureka, and nothing to do with aligning the world according to one's own Will, i.e.; not magic.

"Jesus also never said to keep things secret"

"the Words he shared are NOT secret, and the knowledge is available for all."

Jesus directly spoke about keeping the Word of God secret from those who are unworthy, he sometimes met with his disciples in secret, he spoke about secrets, and the early church also used to meet in secrecy.

Luke 8:10-11

He said, “The knowledge of the secrets (mystēria, μυστήρια) of the kingdom of God has been given to you, but to others I speak in parables, so that;
"Though seeing, they may not see; though hearing, they may not understand."

This is the meaning of the parable: The seed is the word of God.

 

1 Corinthians 14:2

For the person who speaks in a foreign language is not actually speaking to people but to God. Indeed, no one understands him, because he is talking about secrets (mystēria, μυστήρια) by the Spirit.

Matthew 13

The disciples came to him and asked, “Why do you speak to the people in parables?”

He replied, “Because the knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them. Whoever has will be given more, and they will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what they have will be taken from them.

This is why I speak to them in parables:
“Though seeing, they do not see; though hearing, they do not hear or understand."

In them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah:
“You will be ever hearing but never understanding; you will be ever seeing but never perceiving."

For this people’s heart has become calloused; they hardly hear with their ears, and they have closed their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts and turn, and I would heal them.

In these instances, "Secrets", is translated from the Greek; Mystēria (μυστήρια), which is defined by Christian Concordances as; a mystery, secret, of which initiation is necessary; in the NT: the counsels of God, once hidden but now revealed in the Gospel or some fact thereof; the Christian revelation generally; particular truths or details of the Christian revelation.

Mystery (Etymology)

early 14c., in a theological sense, "religious truth via divine revelation, hidden spiritual significance, mystical truth," from Anglo-French *misterie, Old French mistere "secret, mystery, hidden meaning" (Modern French mystère), from Latin mysterium "secret rite, secret worship; a secret thing," from Greek mysterion (usually in plural mysteria) "secret rite or doctrine," from mystes "one who has been initiated," from myein "to close, shut" (see mute (adj.)); perhaps referring to the lips (in secrecy) or to the eyes (only initiates were allowed to see the sacred rites).

The Greek word was used in Septuagint for "secret counsel of God," translated in Vulgate as sacramentum. Non-theological use in English, "a hidden or secret thing," is from late 14c. In reference to the ancient rites of Greece, Egypt, etc. it is attested from 1640s. Meaning "detective story" first recorded in English 1908.

Although, "Mystery", carries a modern connotation of a peculiar enigma, its contemporary Biblical meaning was that of secrecy and concealment.

He simply said don't share treasures with people who will not accept them.

Matthew 7:6 is not talking about treasure, but is instead talking about Holy things.

Do not give dogs what is holy (hagion, ἅγιον); do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces.

We know that God and the Word of God are Holy, and if we correlate this with Matthew 13 and Luke 8, we come full-circle to "words" being held "secret" from the unworthy.

Just a few words to consider ...The bigger narrative is what we picture in our minds while collecting the smaller pieces of the mosaic. In the Garden the fall happens and the promise to undo it . We pick up our first small piece and find the man Jesus . Now at this point you might say well there are a lot of pieces in between . What about them ? They will be important only after we know what Gods plan is with this man Jesus .

1Co 2:6 Yet among the mature we do impart wisdom, although it is not a wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are doomed to pass away.
1Co 2:7 But we impart a secret and hidden wisdom of God, which God decreed before the ages for our glory.
1Co 2:8 None of the rulers of this age understood this, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
Eph 6:11 Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the schemes of the devil.
Eph 6:12 For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places.

Luk 24:12 But Peter rose and ran to the tomb; stooping and looking in, he saw the linen cloths by themselves; and he went home marveling at what had happened.
On the Road to Emmaus
Luk 24:13 That very day two of them were going to a village named Emmaus, about seven miles from Jerusalem,
Luk 24:14 and they were talking with each other about all these things that had happened.
Luk 24:15 While they were talking and discussing together, Jesus himself drew near and went with them.
Luk 24:16 But their eyes were kept from recognizing him.
Luk 24:17 And he said to them, “What is this conversation that you are holding with each other as you walk?” And they stood still, looking sad.
Luk 24:18 Then one of them, named Cleopas, answered him, “Are you the only visitor to Jerusalem who does not know the things that have happened there in these days?”
Luk 24:19 And he said to them, “What things?” And they said to him, “Concerning Jesus of Nazareth, a man who was a prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people,
Luk 24:20 and how our chief priests and rulers delivered him up to be condemned to death, and crucified him.
Luk 24:21 But we had hoped that he was the one to redeem Israel. Yes, and besides all this, it is now the third day since these things happened.
Luk 24:22 Moreover, some women of our company amazed us. They were at the tomb early in the morning,
Luk 24:23 and when they did not find his body, they came back saying that they had even seen a vision of angels, who said that he was alive.
Luk 24:24 Some of those who were with us went to the tomb and found it just as the women had said, but him they did not see.”
Luk 24:25 And he said to them, “O foolish ones, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken!
Luk 24:26 Was it not necessary that the Christ should suffer these things and enter into his glory?”
Luk 24:27 And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he interpreted to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning himself.

Is it not curious that at this point they 1 do not recognize Him 2 Have to be walked back in the scriptures to be given the small pierces of the mosaic . Its obvious that they didn't understand what He told them in secret about the Kingdom of God earlier .
So what was missing ,and what important piece is still missing ,because we read a little further on

Luk 24:36 As they were talking about these things, Jesus himself stood among them, and said to them, “Peace to you!”
Luk 24:37 But they were startled and frightened and thought they saw a spirit.
Luk 24:38 And he said to them, “Why are you troubled, and why do doubts arise in your hearts?
Luk 24:39 See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself. Touch me, and see. For a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have.”
Luk 24:40 And when he had said this, he showed them his hands and his feet.
Luk 24:41 And while they still disbelieved for joy and were marveling, he said to them, “Have you anything here to eat?”
Luk 24:42 They gave him a piece of broiled fish,
Luk 24:43 and he took it and ate before them.
Luk 24:44 Then he said to them, “These are my words that I spoke to you while I was still with you, that everything written about me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled.”

They are still at this point not getting it completely and need another small but big piece to the mosaic .

Luk 24:45 Then he opened their minds to understand the Scriptures,
Luk 24:46 and said to them, “Thus it is written, that the Christ should suffer and on the third day rise from the dead,
Luk 24:47 and that repentance for the forgiveness of sins should be proclaimed in his name to all nations, beginning from Jerusalem.
Luk 24:48 You are witnesses of these things.
Luk 24:49 And behold, I am sending the promise of my Father upon you. But stay in the city until you are clothed with power from on high.”

I will leave this for now with the reader on the road to life and return to another unseen theme . The powers and rulers of this world . When Jesus is moving about He comes in contact with some of these entities who know who He is but don't really know what He is up to or what the plan is. "for had they of know" .Neither do His disciples .

I am sorry for the length this post has become .Trying to paint such a large picture with only a few critical pieces can be challenging . To better illiterate this mosaic I leave you with the author of Reversing Hermon Dr Micheal Heiser

a reply to: kibric

care to answer my questions ?

a reply to: kibric

Ok il ask again

any of your Templar friends want to be immortal ?

what degree are you ?

a reply to: kibric

I don't know the wants, yearnings, and/or desires of others. 3.

a reply to: the2ofusr1

I'm about 30 minutes into Dr. Heiser's talk. It's getting pretty good, and I enjoy his sense of humor.

Do you think that the "Watchers" (IRIN) are synonymous with the Bene Elohim? Enoch 1 6:6 states that 200 IRIN descended to Earth. This is contrary to the Seventy Nations and Seventy Sons of El.

I love how he's drawing direct correlations between the Levantine and Mesopotamian beliefs; Apkallu with the Watchers. I had no idea Gilgamesh was mentioned in Qumran manuscripts; "Book of Giants", nor did I ever think to view Gilgamesh as a generational Nephilim, being that he was descended from Apkallu. This is great material.

a reply to: Sahabi

Just to lay out a few pieces of scripture to fix into the narrative .Deu 32:8 When the Most High gave to the nations their inheritance, when he divided mankind, he fixed the borders of the peoples according to the number of the sons of God.
Deu 32:9 But the LORD's portion is his people, Jacob his allotted heritage.

Now this verse 8 is referring to babel . I think there are 70 or 72 nations there but what ever the number is focused on misses the bigger picture that all languages stem from the same incident . But the narrative calls those nations mentioned as the whole world . Later in the NT books they are all mentioned again .They get brought back into the family of God .

And yes the watchers from Enoch are the same bunch .It explains why we have a record of a pantheon of gods

Its a great lecture if you are into that kind of thing which I am .I notice you have a taste for it as well ...peace

a reply to: Sahabi

Very good thread, * and flag

Lot of masters in your posts

Lot of history too, very big history buff over here

a reply to: ThereIsNoHandle

Hello ThereIsNoHandle. I see that you do not post very often, so thank you very much for taking the time to reply!

I found this post of yours, and it seems like this thread is in accord to your own findings;

originally posted by: ThereIsNoHandle
I have heard several people say that the Illuminati is the name
given to the all the secret societies of today. I have heard of the
Bavarian Illuminati, Adam Weishaupt(sp), and other things. I notice some people
talk of the Templars and Freemasons as if they were all one and the same.

Of course, any real information on the net is most likely shrouded, and pretty
much all youtube videos of the subject are absurd at best

Maybe some of it is true, but I'm sure it also has a large heap of horse poop as a side dish

:p

a reply to: Sahabi

I hoped you enjoyed Heiser's Reversing Hermon .It kind of puts the whole of the Bible in perspective .Prior to his latest it was about the unseen realm .He has a 5 part lecture on YT dealing with that aspect that really helps embed it into our minds so it can give more resolution to the picture while reading the Bible . [Pt.1] UNSEEN REALM SEMINAR w/ Dr. Michael S. Heiser: Supernatural Worldview of the O.T. www.youtube.com... I have the book on the unseen realm and there is a portion of his website that is devoted to it www.moreunseenrealm.com... He has weekly podcasts that are good and blogs as well the main site is drmsh.com... peace