Gravity explained with magnetic force (picture)

originally posted by: AttentionGrabber

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: Vector99

originally posted by: boomstick88
Magnetoelectric universe. Gravity does repel, at least here on earth: Hydrogen and Helium are prime examples.

How exactly are Hydrogen and Helium prime examples of gravity repelling?

I think hes confusing buoyancy with anti gravity. If we had a hydrogen atmosphere like say Jupiter if we released hydrogen it would fall to the planet. This is how come people believe BS like electric universe they don't understand science and think because things happen on earth it happens everywhere. They don't realize we have an unusual set of conditions on earth such as having oxygen nitrogen argon and carbon dioxide in our atmosphere. These heavier elements cause lighter elements such as helium to rise much like air bubbles in water. Oxygen is lighter than H2O.

if you invoke buoyancy and density, why do you even need the gravity? Why is anything going up?

Im not quite sure what your attempting to ask want to try to explain it better?

originally posted by: JanAmosComenius
But there are objects without magnetic properties and are influenced by gravity ... and there are objects with magnetic properties and those are influenced by both magnetic and gravitational fields ...

There are no objects in existence that are "without magnetic properties". All matter is composed mostly of electrons, protons, neutrons which are tiny magnets. All matter is influenced by magnetic force to a lessor or greater degree.

originally posted by: More1ThanAny1

originally posted by: JanAmosComenius
But there are objects without magnetic properties and are influenced by gravity ... and there are objects with magnetic properties and those are influenced by both magnetic and gravitational fields ...

There are no objects in existence that are "without magnetic properties". All matter is composed mostly of electrons, protons, neutrons which are tiny magnets. All matter is influenced by magnetic force to a lessor or greater degree.

Yes your right however not all matter is effected to a measurable degree by a magnetic field. How we classify magnetic properties depends on two factors if they produce a magnetic field most do not. And how much distortion it causes in the magnetic field or to our particle.. First is paramagnetic this is an attraction to a magnetic field usually involves free electrons in the atom usually a slight distortion in the path of an atom or in physics we can cause an attraction see my previous post. Then we have Diamagnetism just the opisit its repelled by magnetic fields this is almost no reaction to an electromagnetic field think of this as non magnetic. then of course we have ferromagnetic substances this is a magnet or say iron. So yes all matter has a electomagnetic charge what counts is if its cancelled out.

Um? Do u look at the sun everyday? I personally dont, but i know the differences between light and dark. So we got neon, iron, silicon, magnesium, sulfur, and nickel burning so hot in earths chamber that it makes a fiery (hopefully) ever flowing river of magma... Same stuff that keep us on the ground here on earth is the stuff that keeps earth in orbit. why is this so weird? I didnt fully understand the picture, very sorry.

originally posted by: dragonridr
Yes your right however not all matter is effected to a measurable degree by a magnetic field. How we classify magnetic properties depends on two factors if they produce a magnetic field most do not. And how much distortion it causes in the magnetic field or to our particle.. First is paramagnetic this is an attraction to a magnetic field usually involves free electrons in the atom. then we have Diamagnetism

That is not correct. All matter is affected to a measurable degree by a magnetic field.

originally posted by: More1ThanAny1

originally posted by: dragonridr
Yes your right however not all matter is effected to a measurable degree by a magnetic field. How we classify magnetic properties depends on two factors if they produce a magnetic field most do not. And how much distortion it causes in the magnetic field or to our particle.. First is paramagnetic this is an attraction to a magnetic field usually involves free electrons in the atom. then we have Diamagnetism

That is not correct. All matter is affected to a measurable degree by a magnetic field.

Anything that has electrons is also magnetic. So yea, pretty much everything.

Yup, cheerios effect
There's a hint there somewhere, but it gets really complex with mass forming out of voids behind the electromagnetic bias....possibly with the galaxy shooting ac and the sun sparking off....like a hunk of mass getting lit by the potential....thus the temp being way higher outside than inside the sun.....check.......which blows down nuclear suns....

Then the D.C. Electro bit off the sun to the planets....at a different freq......

Gravity gets in as a product of electro.......but not directly, huh!

*Cough*
neutrinos = nuclear sun
*Cough*
Every prediction of Electric Universe has never been proven, only preached
*Cough*

originally posted by: More1ThanAny1

originally posted by: dragonridr
Yes your right however not all matter is effected to a measurable degree by a magnetic field. How we classify magnetic properties depends on two factors if they produce a magnetic field most do not. And how much distortion it causes in the magnetic field or to our particle.. First is paramagnetic this is an attraction to a magnetic field usually involves free electrons in the atom. then we have Diamagnetism

That is not correct. All matter is affected to a measurable degree by a magnetic field.

THATS JUST SIMPLY NOT TRUE. TRY TO GET GLASS TO BE EFFECTED BY A MAGNETIC FIELD. IN your world there would be no such thing as electrical insulation. Go outside dig up some dirt and try to find a magnetic field. To make it simple it depends on the number of electrons the particle has and of course there location.

a reply to: dragonridr

My friend, you are simply not speaking the truth. I have been studying magnetism for decades.

Glass is indeed affected by magnetic fields, but it is such a weak interaction you wouldn't be able to detect it without measuring instruments. If you don't believe me: Read here.

All matter is affected by magnetic fields, there is no denying it.

en.wikipedia.org...

The force of a magnet on paramagnetic, diamagnetic, antiferromagnetic materials is usually too weak to be felt, and can be detected only by laboratory instruments, so in everyday life these substances are often described as non-magnetic.

www.britannica.com...

All matter exhibits magnetic properties when placed in an external magnetic field. Even substances like copper and aluminum that are not normally thought of as having magnetic properties are affected by the presence of a magnetic field such as that produced by either pole of a bar magnet.

All things are made of tiny magnets.

a reply to: dragonridr

IN your world there would be no such thing as electrical insulation.

Well, and as it turns out, there is no such thing as a perfect insulation. This is why all insulation on electrical wiring has a voltage rating. Electrical current in the wire above the insulation voltage rating will pass through the insulation to earth ground.

I doesn't look to me that gravity has anything to do with magnetism.
How magnetism explains the fact that physical objects fall at same accelerating rate toward gravity source regardless of their mass, size or magnetic responsiveness. Take feather and hammer experiment done on the Moon surface..Two objects of different composition, mass, size touchdown the surface at the same time.
How does this explained using magnetic lines? Sorry, I did not read entire thread and probably someone already gave an answer, but may be someone can elaborate in few words?

thank you.

originally posted by: greenreflections
I doesn't look to me that gravity has anything to do with magnetism.
How magnetism explains the fact that physical objects fall at same accelerating rate toward gravity source regardless of their mass, size or magnetic responsiveness. Take feather and hammer experiment done on the Moon surface..Two objects of different composition, mass, size touchdown the surface at the same time.
How does this explained using magnetic lines? Sorry, I did not read entire thread and probably someone already gave an answer, but may be someone can elaborate in few words?

thank you.

It is true that gravity and electromagnetism are unrelated, but I think you are confusing concepts such as acceleration with Force. Further it would appear your are suggesting mass plays no role in gravitational acceleration...and this is not correct. Mass plays a central role in gravitation.

For example, in your post you state the falling hammer and feather fall at the same rate on the Moon. This is true, but the rate they fall at is different on the Moon than the rate on Earth (significantly different in fact). And, the reason is because the mass of the Moon is different than the mass of Earth, and the forces of attraction are different on Earth as a result. Conceptually similar, but apples and oranges in application.

Gravitational attraction "Force" is a direct relationship between mass and distance.

Regarding relationship between mass and electromagnetism, Einstein (among many others after him) tried much of his adult life to prove such a relationship, but was never successful. Had he been able to prove a relationship he would have been able to prove the Unified Force Theory.

originally posted by: Vector99

originally posted by: boomstick88
Magnetoelectric universe. Gravity does repel, at least here on earth: Hydrogen and Helium are prime examples.

How exactly are Hydrogen and Helium prime examples of gravity repelling?

S block elements, only s block elements, limited amount of orbits, frequency of magneto electric force is not fast enough to attracted it here, everything else is attracted.
Im getting really close

originally posted by: boomstick88

originally posted by: Vector99

originally posted by: boomstick88
Magnetoelectric universe. Gravity does repel, at least here on earth: Hydrogen and Helium are prime examples.

How exactly are Hydrogen and Helium prime examples of gravity repelling?

S block elements, only s block elements,

What are "S block elements"?

limited amount of orbits,

Every element has a limited amount of orbits

frequency of magneto electric force is not fast enough to attracted it here, everything else is attracted.

Please give some example, like "hydrogen has a magneto electric force with a frequency of 1.21GHz". As hydrogen is the simplest of elements, at least that value should be known?

a reply to: ManFromEurope
Whats the frequency of the earth? Its not fast enough, because only one orbit, the s-orbit.
You want to join?

originally posted by: ManFromEurope

originally posted by: boomstick88

originally posted by: Vector99

originally posted by: boomstick88
Magnetoelectric universe. Gravity does repel, at least here on earth: Hydrogen and Helium are prime examples.

How exactly are Hydrogen and Helium prime examples of gravity repelling?

S block elements, only s block elements,

What are "S block elements"?

limited amount of orbits,

Every element has a limited amount of orbits

frequency of magneto electric force is not fast enough to attracted it here, everything else is attracted.

Please give some example, like "hydrogen has a magneto electric force with a frequency of 1.21GHz". As hydrogen is the simplest of elements, at least that value should be known?

He's mixing chemistry and physics S block elements is basically alkaline metals.

Just can figure out how that changes anything ????

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

No, I am not confusing acceleration with force. Gravity is not a force.

Subject of gravity to me is two fold. First, is how gravity originates and second, how physical bodies interact via their gravitational fields. I am interested in second.

For example, in your post you state the falling hammer and feather fall at the same rate on the Moon. This is true, but the rate they fall at is different on the Moon than the rate on Earth (significantly different in fact). And, the reason is because the mass of the Moon is different than the mass of Earth

Yes, I understand that. But I am more talking about not of the strength and extend of gravity field, it is what happens when object moves inside it and begins to 'free fall' to the surface with increasing rate. If I release drop of water and 20 ton iron weight side by side, both will touch down Moons surface at the same moment, acceleration rate is the same for both objects regardless of what are they. Isn't it strange?

I think gravity 'works' by changing shape of an object (water drop) by changing shape of volume an object occupies geometrically in a run away fashion. Object in this case to outside observer appears 'falling' and accelerating in doing so. More or less equal masses will start to orbit each other around common center of gravity, right?

Thanks for your answer.

a reply to: dragonridr
I was refering to only 1s orbit elements,as H and He. When jumping to 2s shells, more space, therefore more room for interaction. Think of it more as only as you have A/C outlet, but only with one hole, you need the frequency to change a polarity to produce energy, but since only one shell there are no vibration. That material will be repelled since everything else is in vibration stage and it will push it out of the equilibrium.