Gravity explained with magnetic force (picture)

originally posted by: Vector99
a reply to: dragonridr

That's why they are fun! They likely don't exist, we can simulate anything. The fun theory I like of it is that being monopolar it cannot expel energy only retain it. Meaning it would draw similar poles to it in all directions, gathering energy from every connection but not sharing the energy, only growing it's own therefore magnifying it's own field and drawing in more. Over and over.

It makes sense scientifically. If it exists that is.

Theres the problem it wouldn't grow the magnetic field remains the same. But in physics this causes a problem it would take on energy from other magnetic fields but when it reaches a certain point it will create a second pole to release this stored energy. the closest example I can give you is back to our bar magnet you introduce energy to it by say hitting it or heating it you lose your magnetic field.

More than 400 years equation for powerful unicorn (gravity) had been created, that ferocious mystical beast is so powerfull, that entire forces of universe have to play by it rules. It can bend light, it attracts everything based on the mass. If you decide to overcome it, unicorn smash and you dont have a chance against it. But if you think outside the box,such as energy, frequency and vibration -unicorn not so powerful. Energy-electricity/magnetism, frequency-how fast it can change a polarity(attraction or repellency), vibration-how to arrange electrons in the position to make the unicorn unable to smash.

What if gravity is bi-polar but the - side is what we call the centre of gravity?

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a reply to: ParanormalGuy

If you, by chance, prove a material relationship between gravity and electromagnetism Albert Einstein will rise up from the dead and give you a great big hug!!

Oh, and then there's that silly old Unified Field Theory which Einstein went to his grave trying to prove.

gravity and magnetic force are not same thing.

originally posted by: gernblan


gravity and magnetic force are not same thing.

Wow...ya think???

a reply to: ParanormalGuy

You do realize the earth has a magnetic field and affects the magnets in the water by letting the stronger North/South field align to the earth's magnetic field? By that I mean the stronger of the two fields will align to the appropriate direction, i.e. if the South fields are stronger then they align with the Earth's magnetic field and point south; or if the North polarity is stronger then points to the North. With three separate magnetic sources in your dish, I'm positive the Earth's magnetic field will have an effect on them all.

You do know this is how ancient mariners navigated the seas, with a bowl of water and a floating piece of magnetite?

The following video is total BS. But if you did create an anti-gravity device, this would be what the video would look like:

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It's nice to imagine being able to create such a device. But also so is imagining winning the lottery or having sex with two chicks. There are some really smart people in the world. If there were a way to create anti-gravity or gravity using magnetic fields someone would have done it by now.

originally posted by: JanAmosComenius
If I understand it correctly, there is no gravity, only magnetic force.

But there are objects without magnetic properties and are influenced by gravity ... and there are objects with magnetic properties and those are influenced by both magnetic and gravitational fields ...

There are no objects without magnetic properties.

a reply to: dfnj2015

How about winning the lottery and having sex with two chicks in zero gravity with magnets strapped to your, errr, uhhh, well, ...money (yeah, that's the ticket).

originally posted by: pheonix358
What if gravity is bi-polar but the - side is what we call the centre of gravity?

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What the OP is saying is that gravity is the Van der Waals force of magnetism.

I give the OP credit for bravery. Saying something about gravity is an invitation for flaming ridicule. That said, I will add my two cents. I find it just mind boggling that the Universe is not only expanding but accelerating. The amount of energy going into the acceleration is astounding. Assume gravity is a force that is generated by some natural process, maybe when two objects are traveling away from each other with increasing levels of gravity they accelerate. And if they are moving towards each other with gravity increasing they repel. I'm sure what I'm saying is probably BS but it's fun to think about. Just like having sex with two chicks, winning the lottery, or winning the lottery and having sex with two chicks in zero Gs!

Perhaps....

Perhaps gravity is not what we think it is but rather what we don't think it is. What I mean by that is that gravity is simply a space where dark matter has been concentrated by the mass in the universe. We now know that dark matter extends outward from the galactic disk of every galaxy and around other type galaxies. Dark energy is said to repel galaxies away from one another. However dark energy attracts mass we can see together.

Let us say that there is a spot of dark energy in space-time. Then what we know as matter collects to it and concentrates on it. Then more matter that collects the more concentrated the dark energy field becomes. There is some connection between the two to complete some type of circuit. Let us say for the purposes of this discussion that "lite" matter is positive and "dark" matter is negative. Put them together and you have gravity (energy). Going in from the universe we see and going out from the dark energy force we cannot see.

The force of gravity that you feel is merely an energetic energy wind pushing towards the focus or center point (which happens to be the earths center) (or the center of any celestial body), where it will suddenly change and exit as an alternate energy form that does not effect "lite" matter (the matter we can see). In a dark matter universe the roles would be polar opposite dimensionally. The matter we see merely collects around the focus point like soap suds around a drain but without being able to go into the drain as it were.

Larger bodies that form black holes are those whose concentration of matter is collected by a more concentrated dark energy flow. In the end to have dark energy flow (gravity) you need the mass we can see and know, otherwise the energy cannot concentrate. To have dark matter you need the energy we see so that it will concentrate around it. Together they form a continuous polar unit. It can be like a magnet in this way.

a reply to: Fromabove

Maybe the acceleration of the Universe is caused by a gravity wave in the shape of toroidal sphere eminating from the black hole at the center of the big bang. Reality is imploding in on itself by expanding.

a reply to: Fromabove

Well, here's the problem with this theory...

When you say the word "center" in a geographical context you have, perhaps inadvertently, defined an "edge" or boundary. You can't have a 'center' without having a limit.

When we start talking about 'edges' in the context of the universe physics gets messy quickly.

a reply to: ParanormalGuy

Some things are affected by gravity that are not affected by magnetism, the forces have different strengths and extend spatially in different ways.

The most obvious conclusion is that they are two separate and different forces.

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: Vector99

originally posted by: boomstick88
Magnetoelectric universe. Gravity does repel, at least here on earth: Hydrogen and Helium are prime examples.

How exactly are Hydrogen and Helium prime examples of gravity repelling?

I think hes confusing buoyancy with anti gravity. If we had a hydrogen atmosphere like say Jupiter if we released hydrogen it would fall to the planet. This is how come people believe BS like electric universe they don't understand science and think because things happen on earth it happens everywhere. They don't realize we have an unusual set of conditions on earth such as having oxygen nitrogen argon and carbon dioxide in our atmosphere. These heavier elements cause lighter elements such as helium to rise much like air bubbles in water. Oxygen is lighter than H2O.

if you invoke buoyancy and density, why do you even need the gravity? Why is anything going up?

originally posted by: AttentionGrabber

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: Vector99

originally posted by: boomstick88
Magnetoelectric universe. Gravity does repel, at least here on earth: Hydrogen and Helium are prime examples.

How exactly are Hydrogen and Helium prime examples of gravity repelling?

I think hes confusing buoyancy with anti gravity. If we had a hydrogen atmosphere like say Jupiter if we released hydrogen it would fall to the planet. This is how come people believe BS like electric universe they don't understand science and think because things happen on earth it happens everywhere. They don't realize we have an unusual set of conditions on earth such as having oxygen nitrogen argon and carbon dioxide in our atmosphere. These heavier elements cause lighter elements such as helium to rise much like air bubbles in water. Oxygen is lighter than H2O.

if you invoke buoyancy and density, why do you even need the gravity? Why is anything going up?

Why do bubbles in water rise to the top?

originally posted by: AMPTAH

originally posted by: pheonix358
What if gravity is bi-polar but the - side is what we call the centre of gravity?

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What the OP is saying is that gravity is the Van der Waals force of magnetism.

Thats the funniest thing ive ever heard you obviously have been misinformed about the van der waals force and how it works. First lets start with the basics a positively charged particle and a negatively charged particle attract this is called coulomb force this is the basis for how this works.

Then we have another version of bonding for molecules involving creating a fake diapole if you will. Now lets say we link a positive and negative particle and do the same with another two particles now our four particles with a positive and a negative end. We created two dipoles as long as we angle them properly meaning the attractive force on one end can overpower the repulsive force on the other. Thinkof this as conecting a positive end of a bar magnet to the negative end. Great example is H2O the reason water likes to bond together besides the covalent bond is oxygen will have a slightly negative charge due to the fact its electron density while are hydrogen atoms will have a slightly positive charge do to electrons being shared between them. This is why water can turn to ice as water cools the electron density increases in our oxygen atoms.

Now heres were we get to how van der waal force works. Lets say we have two hydrogen atoms in quantum mechanics we have a proton with an electron around it in what would look like a cloud. Probability says are electron can be anywhere in this cloud. Now trying to connect these two columbs force would have a hard time because even if quantum fluctuation momentarily created a dipole with the electron on one side say left and right of our protons but do to quantum fluctuations this would also have just as likely have both electrons on the same side meaning they would repel. But in quantum physics if we can get our two hydrogen atoms close enough the quantum fluctuations sort of sink up meaning the electrons will tend to be on the same side of the hydrogen atom. This means it creates two dipoles and they can attract. But the problem is you have to get our particles incredibly close the trick the gecko uses is these tiny macroscopic hair that allows the atoms to get close enough to the atoms changing the electron density.

So to put it simply this could never work for gravity because you couldnt make this bond with the earth you would float away. A ball flying through the air would be not be able to bond so it would just keep going. My advice stay away from stupid websites and pick up a physics book instead.

a reply to: Fromabove

actually i read a paper where it was proposed that dark energy created gravity through momentum. But when i say dark energy think of a field that exists throughout the entire universe. the movement of this field actually creates what e call gravity. Ill see if i can find it i think i saved it because it was an unusual idea.