Mexican Official Threatens to Unleash Cartels, Flood U.S. With Drugs and Narcotics

a reply to: ttobban

I'm guessing you missed the Mexican cartel war that's been going on for the last 10 years or so? (HERE) In many instances, the cartels are better armed than the Mexican military and Mexican law enforcement agencies. And many times, police and other law enforcement members are also on the cartels' payrolls, which shouldn't be a surprise since they make far more money than the govt agencies.

So how exactly are the underfunded and literally outgunned Mexican authorities supposed to stop the cartels' finances during a hypothetical trade war w/the US? The only way to reduce their finances is to stop buying their products, which won't happen until Americans stop buying their drugs, contraband, prostitutes, etc. And that doesn't include their countless drug fronts in the US itself (like and [url=http://www.wmbfnews.com/story/29046749/south-carolina-businesses-used-to-launder-billions-to-drug-cartels-terrorists]THIS).

a reply to: ttobban

The worlds largest criminal enterprise is the US government. Within there you will find the DEA and CIA pulling the strings on the cartels. Sinaloa was built by the CIA, using contacts with Mexican special forces leaders that helped craft Sinaloa.

The billions you refer to....its our money already. Just that it supports black budget stuff.

a reply to: angeldoll

Well, Mexico is only a small part of the problem... it's just that they are our next door neighbor is why this is so relevant.

Do the math... Afghanistan produces approximately 90% of the world's heroin. U.S. uses approximately 60% of the world's heroin. It's mathematically impossible for U.S. consumed heroin to not be Afghan sourced... to at least a fair degree. Maybe it goes to big pharma, maybe to the streets? No matter what, it's the U.S. government allowing it to happen... aka politicians.

I see a citizen as President, and not a Politician... so I see a chance at change and I support that. Maybe it does not work out as first hoped, but at least a new path is being marched on...

Sorry for trolling off topic... won't go further.

originally posted by: enlightenedservant
a reply to: gladtobehere

Did you miss my post that shows how much US foreign aid goes towards Mexico's military and anti-narcotics efforts? If the US stops sending that money and/or hurts the Mexican economy by adding tariffs on Mexican goods, how do you expect the former joint US-Mexican anti-narcotics programs to keep getting funded?

Let me put it another way. We'd be harming their economy with a trade war while cutting some or all foreign aid to them. The trade war would devastate their govt's funds, while the cuts to foreign aid would further reduce the funds they'd have to fight our War on Drugs. But then we'd still expect them to self-fund those same programs that help our War on Drugs down there? Why would they do that? Especially when we can't/won't stop our own citizens from enabling those same cartels by constantly buying their drug products?

Point taken. But why is Mexico so opposed to a wall and any attempt for the U.S. to tighten border security to stop these cartels?

Remember nieto said Mexico doesn't believe in walls.

So why bother sending aid to Mexico to fight cartels if Mexican officials are opposed to the U.S. taking steps to fight the cartels themselves.

It almost seems as if Mexico doesn't care about defeating the cartels.

a reply to: mkultra11

Yes, he was stating the truth and I find it hard to believe that anyone doesn't object to it and are actually cheering it on.

Where am I cheering it on?

The man is threatening our country by sending more drug and gang violence? Do people really hate everything Trump does that blindly ?

No he isn't. He's pointing out what I pointed out, that a wedge between the US & Mexico would also affect the US in our drug war. I even listed the US foreign aid to Mexico that goes to help them fight our drug war. If we start cutting funds to them, how do you expect those joint programs to get funded?

They show absolutely no understanding or knowledge on what type of criminality illegally crosses the border, including human trafficking.

Are you intentionally ignoring the fact that it's Americans who are intentionally employing those very victims of human trafficking? Americans buy their cheap labor because it's cheaper than legal alternatives. Americans willingly buy the drugs, contraband, and prostitutes that the cartels sell. And the cartels will stay well funded until Americans as a whole stop buying their products. Why can't you understand that?

They have no clue what kind of violence those cartel perform on the Mexican people and in the US as well.

Clearly most Americans don't care. If they did, they'd stop enabling the cartels by voluntarily buying their products. It's like claiming to be against foreign made goods while continuing to prop up those companies by buying their products.

Drugs such as heroine ruin lives and he's bragging about sending more for our youth to kill themselves with.

I think you're looking at the wrong country for that.

a reply to: Grambler

OK... now we are onto the point of it all... thank you for bringing this up! Forget about all the finger pointing at who is the cause, who fought who, who has what, and who is addicted to what. I am aware of what has happened in the past, yes... time to move forward.

To get to a finish line of drawing a line in the sand... first must be determined if the Mexican government chooses to side with the cartels or the government in place of the citizens. Nothing more should be determined. Does Nieto vote for cartel operations or moving government forward? Until that is determined, no final move should be made.

It merely establishes who stands on which side of the theoretical wall... who knows if it would even be needed.

a reply to: ttobban

I don't think you are trolling, you make a lot of sense. I just don't want any kind of war, hot, cold, or indifferent with Mexico, and I don't want to see their country destroyed. A lot of this is on the "customers", in my mind, which nobody wants to acknowledge. It takes two to tango.

Plus, Heroin addicts most certainly CAN be fixed. It happens everyday.

originally posted by: angeldoll
a reply to: ttobban

Or stop buying their stupid drugs. If a person is caught with drugs that came from Mexico, his penalties are more severe.
Or legalize marijuana, and stop the madness.

Brilliant plan. Lets tell all the junkies to just stop buying drugs. Problem solved right there.

And how does legalizing marijuana stop coc aine and heroine and what not from being moved from mexico to here?

originally posted by: angeldoll
a reply to: ttobban


Plus, Heroin addicts most certainly CAN be fixed. It happens everyday.

Heroine is a drug that is so addictive that creates a addiction after just 1 time of use of it. Cocaine takes a few months to generate a full blown physical addiction (or shorter depending on the amount of abuse). Heroine is one of the hardest drugs to kick even after detox. Most ex heroine users go back to using it. More heroine users go back to using heroine then there are users that manage to kick it.

Simply stating that there are heroine users everyday that kick it does nothing but state a largely spin-doctored statement.

originally posted by: angeldoll


I don't want to see Mexico destroyed economically. They are real people, with real families, schools, churches, and jobs, trying to survive like everybody else.

He cites a young girl who was murdered by a Hispanic undocumented migrant, but never mentions Sandy Hook, Columbine, and the other mass murders we've had from mentally ill persons who are our own citizens.

He is making a mountain out of a mole hill.

Way to much sympathy for other nations based on our attitude, position, economic relationship with them and toward them. Folks have been screaming for years that the high cost of prescription drugs in the US had to do with customer subsidization of costs so the rest of the world can have cheep drugs. Spread that over any number of other fields and see the madness.

On your second point this Hispanic murder thing you are probably right but these are days of fire with fire. I could list 40 things the press totally misrepresented to aid the Obama administration during his days. Flat out lies were forged, crafted, spun ect to misrepresent.

a reply to: everyone

The spin-doctor, is you I believe. Rehab clinics across the nation get a good business. Yes, of course, withdrawal makes you very ill and takes great determination. This addiction often affects the poor who don't have access to treatment. But to say "they can't be fixed" is ludicrous.

a reply to: Grambler

Probably because :

1. A trade war that cripples the Mexican economy will only reduce the Mexican government's financial ability to fight the cartels.

2. A reduction in US foreign aid to Mexico will literally reduce Mexico's ability to fight the cartels, as my previous post showed.

3. That wall won't do anything to reduce the American demand for cartel products.

4. That wall and a trade war with Mexico won't stop cartel funds from being laundered back and forth through the 2 countries.

5. That wall won't stop any of the illegal goods that are being sent through Canada's less protected and less populated border w/the US. Surely you don't think those cartels have no operations in Canada, do you?

6. That wall won't stop the cartels from shipping their products into the US's southern border. People have to get that myth out of their heads that the majority of drugs and contraband are brought over by drug "mules" in the unguarded desert.

originally posted by: angeldoll
a reply to: mkultra11

Yes, he was stating the truth and I find it hard to believe that anyone doesn't object to it and are actually cheering it on. The man is threatening our country by sending more drug and gang violence? Do people really hate everything Trump does that blindly ? They show absolutely no understanding or knowledge on what type of criminality illegally crosses the border, including human trafficking. They have no clue what kind of violence those cartel perform on the Mexican people and in the US as well. Drugs such as heroine ruin lives and he's bragging about sending more for our youth to kill themselves with. The United states has it's sovereign right to protect its borders and its people with existing laws.

Get a grip on yourself. lol. He said the countries have always been friendly, and Mexico has tried to cooperate with us by trying to keep the cartels out of the U.S. If we are going to treat Mexico like so much garbage, with complete disregard for their economy or dignity, then they just might stop cooperating.

Is what you posted they said is... a threat!

If we are going to treat Mexico like so much garbage, with complete disregard for their economy or dignity, then they just might stop cooperating.

We are not treating them like so much garbage we are keep them economically viable and help protect them with millions in aid. It's all about the wall which will help them as much as it would help us. It's politics. They are corrupted by these cartels which are most definitely against any sort of border wall and tighter security at the border. Just think of their influence over the Mexican government. They have to be against better security on the US border, for their political survival even their lives for that matter. I have a very firm grip on the situation. Those twisting it into against all immigrants and not illegal immigrants need to get a grip.

a reply to: everyone

Here's one.

Folks need to remember as far as opium fields, opium and producer nations, that they serve first and foremost a huge pharmaceutical demand. Don't think american troops are guarding opium fields for the "drug runners".

a reply to: mkultra11

Of course it's a threat, but what do you expect them to do?

History indicates that at one time many large cities in the U.S. were run by mobsters. Like NYC and Miami. It took decades to clean it up.

I agree Mexico needs to handle the situation, and efforts seem to be ineffective. But again, cut the customers, and you cut out much of the problem. Nobody wants to admit that, because it's too inconvenient for some people.

It's time to legalize marijuana and decriminalize heroin addicts. We should raise holy hell with members of Congress, because it's obvious this era of 'prohibition' needs to end.

There are other solutions rather than killing desperate Hispanics at the border.

originally posted by: Logarock
Folks need to remember as far as opium fields, opium and producer nations, that they serve first and foremost a huge pharmaceutical demand. Don't think american troops are guarding opium fields for the "drug runners".

I agree, but don't delude yourself into thinking anybody here is going to believe that.

a reply to: angeldoll


LOL! No, if I were deluded I wouldn't even post it.

Or better yet, take all of the drug addicts, that we arrest, and ship them to Mexico to be closer to their 'product' of choice! A 2 for...

a reply to: angeldoll

a reply to: everyone

Decriminalizing drugs shifts the ways addicts cope... into more positive/open forum/healthy ways. I am fully aware that addicts can heal... I am thinking the point was being made that heroin and addiction will never cease to exist.

Lets take a look at Portugal???

mic.com...

Of course we all want crime to stop entirely, but the realities remain that the best we can do is work to alter its progressive coarse... elimination is a fantasy.