Why Didn't America Take Over the World (1945-1950)

originally posted by: Miracula2

originally posted by: JoshuaCox



Thoughts

The Germans almost had the nuclear bomb before the US. Can you imagine the outcome of World War 2 if Hitler had gotten the bomb?

What happens when the next nuclear power elects a modern Hitler??

a reply to: TonyS

We had the window...........we just didn't go through it, and instead, got mired down in Earth based problems in third world countries.

Should have just nuked em right? How kind of you.

originally posted by: D8Tee
a reply to: TonyS

We had the window...........we just didn't go through it, and instead, got mired down in Earth based problems in third world countries.

Should have just nuked em right? How kind of you.

What's more humanitarian, 12 nukes or 10,000?

a reply to: JoshuaCox

What's more humanitarian, 12 nukes or 10,000?

I don't understand what you are getting at. Are you advocating for the death of billions of people that live in other countries?

originally posted by: D8Tee
a reply to: JoshuaCox

What's more humanitarian, 12 nukes or 10,000?

I don't understand what you are getting at. Are you advocating for the death of billions of people that live in other countries?

I'm saying that one lone nuclear power eliminates the chance of a global nuclear war between super powers..

What isn't worth taking a global nuclear war off the table??


What is the greater evil than that??

The only reason it seem like it's a choice at all is because we haven't had one yet.


Ask the survivors of the next one and see what they say..

a reply to: D8Tee

Yes he is..based on some kind of Minority Report kind of thinking, something that has not happened in 70 yrs so far..insane in the membrane.

originally posted by: JoshuaCox

originally posted by: Miracula2

originally posted by: JoshuaCox



Thoughts

The Germans almost had the nuclear bomb before the US. Can you imagine the outcome of World War 2 if Hitler had gotten the bomb?

What happens when the next nuclear power elects a modern Hitler??

Modern Hitler....I don't think we'll ever see the likes of that kind of personality again.

a reply to: Miracula2

Modern Hitler....I don't think we'll ever see the likes of that kind of personality again

In 35 separate passages Black Earth affirms the Nazi-environmentalist connection. Professor Snyder claims Adolph Hitler's core ideology consisted of:

a) A profound commitment to ecology;
b) A hostility to free market capitalism;
c) A belief in an overpopulation crisis;
d) A disdain for modern agricultural technology;
e) A deification of Nature; and
f) An overriding phobia that industrial activity was destroying Earth's ecosystem.

In other words, Adolph Hitler was, by today's standards, a typical radical left wing environmentalist.

a reply to: Miracula2

There have been good candidates out of Africa, insofar as being total murderous deranged bigoted psychopaths..damn good thing no nukes there.

originally posted by: vonclod
a reply to: D8Tee

Yes he is..based on some kind of Minority Report kind of thinking, something that has not happened in 70 yrs so far..insane in the membrane.

When in all of history was a weapons system created that wasn't used in warfare , repeatedly?



So you have 70 years, and I have the entire rest of human history...

Do you really think we have evolved that much in 70 years?!?!

originally posted by: JoshuaCox

originally posted by: vonclod
a reply to: D8Tee

Yes he is..based on some kind of Minority Report kind of thinking, something that has not happened in 70 yrs so far..insane in the membrane.

When in all of history was a weapons system created that wasn't used in warfare , repeatedly?
So you have 70 years, and I have the entire rest of human history...
Do you really think we have evolved that much in 70 years?!?!

I still have no idea what you are talking about, 70 years? rest of history?

originally posted by: D8Tee
a reply to: Miracula2

Modern Hitler....I don't think we'll ever see the likes of that kind of personality again

In 35 separate passages Black Earth affirms the Nazi-environmentalist connection. Professor Snyder claims Adolph Hitler's core ideology consisted of:

a) A profound commitment to ecology;
b) A hostility to free market capitalism;
c) A belief in an overpopulation crisis;
d) A disdain for modern agricultural technology;
e) A deification of Nature; and
f) An overriding phobia that industrial activity was destroying Earth's ecosystem.

In other words, Adolph Hitler was, by today's standards, a typical radical left wing environmentalist.

What?!?!

You seem to have convieniently left out the racial superiority/segregation/cleansing that actually caused all of Hitler's problem. If Hitler actually shows up as a liberator rather than a mass murderer, does the world unite against him??

All of Hitler's worst attributes are far closer to right wing white suprimists , than eco freak liberals..

originally posted by: D8Tee

originally posted by: JoshuaCox

originally posted by: vonclod
a reply to: D8Tee

Yes he is..based on some kind of Minority Report kind of thinking, something that has not happened in 70 yrs so far..insane in the membrane.

When in all of history was a weapons system created that wasn't used in warfare , repeatedly?
So you have 70 years, and I have the entire rest of human history...
Do you really think we have evolved that much in 70 years?!?!

I still have no idea what you are talking about, 70 years? rest of history?

When in all of history have 2 major powers that are also competitors not gone to war??

I can name 40 times they did..

How many times have new military break through not been used on those competitors??


Your thinking about the possibility of a global nuclear war this year, I'm talking about it over the next century.

originally posted by: vonclod
a reply to: JoshuaCox

But I though the concept was turn it all into glass?..scaring into submission would only be a temporary deal..all or nothing kinda thing? I'm not sure even 200 low yield weapons would of been enough to take the world.
Like I said earlier in the end too much land mass and people to control .."if" you didn't turn it all into glass.
The genie was out of the bottle, the idea of splitting the atom was not exclusive to the U.S., they just had the massive resources to make it happen at the time.

It would of gone down as the most evil act by man to his fellow man in the history of the world..you know..killing billions of innocent people.
Then consider the U.S. citizenry ..would of been a civil war IMHO.

It would be the end of the world as we knew it. It wouldn't be a civil war because every citizen and every soldier who took faith in their oath would have made tptb crumble.

It's a never from me, near impossible considering the stance the US has come to adopt, especially then.

To be a bit off topic, I was born in the 90's, never saw communist Russia... Even I know that the majority of what happened after WWII was BS, from a western perspective I'd even dare say the general consensus was to lift each other up as a species.

That includes technology of the nuclear kind. Call me a day dreamer but I genuinely believe that the ethos we all generally express is one of mutual respect and enhancement.

It's why the individual has so much ability today.

Then again, maybe people are not educated enough to stop another Hitler or Napoleon. We who stand on the shoulders of giants can be easily lead astray. Sometimes even the wisest and fittest of swimmers get inundated by the tide. It's always happening.

To think about it, maybe the OP has a point. It could have happened.

But it didn't, I hope it wouldn't. Humans are funny like that, sometimes we snuff out the light and fumble in darkness... Usually though we illuminate the darkness and held high that torch for the rest of the world.

I ranted a bit... Haha.

What are we?

We live in interesting times, I know that much and so did my Grandfather. I'm thankful he didn't support the notion of a counter retaliation strike.

The wall fell with peace, generally only psychopaths kill easily.

originally posted by: D8Tee

originally posted by: JoshuaCox

originally posted by: vonclod
a reply to: D8Tee

Yes he is..based on some kind of Minority Report kind of thinking, something that has not happened in 70 yrs so far..insane in the membrane.

When in all of history was a weapons system created that wasn't used in warfare , repeatedly?
So you have 70 years, and I have the entire rest of human history...
Do you really think we have evolved that much in 70 years?!?!

I still have no idea what you are talking about, 70 years? rest of history?

We have spent roughly 200,000 years as humanity, using any weapon we could find to use against each other . With war between major geo political competitors being considered pretty much inevitable.


We have spent the last 70 not doing that because of nukes...


Which would you say is the average?

originally posted by: JoshuaCox

originally posted by: D8Tee

originally posted by: JoshuaCox

originally posted by: vonclod
a reply to: D8Tee

Yes he is..based on some kind of Minority Report kind of thinking, something that has not happened in 70 yrs so far..insane in the membrane.

When in all of history was a weapons system created that wasn't used in warfare , repeatedly?
So you have 70 years, and I have the entire rest of human history...
Do you really think we have evolved that much in 70 years?!?!

I still have no idea what you are talking about, 70 years? rest of history?

We have spent roughly 200,000 years as humanity, using any weapon we could find to use against each other . With war between major geo political competitors being considered pretty much inevitable.


We have spent the last 70 not doing that because of nukes...


Which would you say is the average?

Stop agreeing with them then.

We never needed nukes, we needed understanding.

Every fight I ever had could have been avoided with communication, a general understanding.

Could you say the same?

originally posted by: RAY1990

originally posted by: JoshuaCox

originally posted by: D8Tee

originally posted by: JoshuaCox

originally posted by: vonclod
a reply to: D8Tee

Yes he is..based on some kind of Minority Report kind of thinking, something that has not happened in 70 yrs so far..insane in the membrane.

When in all of history was a weapons system created that wasn't used in warfare , repeatedly?
So you have 70 years, and I have the entire rest of human history...
Do you really think we have evolved that much in 70 years?!?!

I still have no idea what you are talking about, 70 years? rest of history?

We have spent roughly 200,000 years as humanity, using any weapon we could find to use against each other . With war between major geo political competitors being considered pretty much inevitable.


We have spent the last 70 not doing that because of nukes...


Which would you say is the average?

Stop agreeing with them then.

We never needed nukes, we needed understanding.

Every fight I ever had could have been avoided with communication, a general understanding.

Could you say the same?

In a perfect world...

In the real world if you don't the other guy will.

Your weighing the concept like the threat of nuclear war has ended , and thank god we didn't try and take over.

The reality is that the chance of a global war increases every day.

Every nuclear power, every administration is a dice roll till we finally crap out..


After a global war would the remnants of humanity that survived think it was a good idea to allow multiple nuclear powers??

I doubt it.

originally posted by: JoshuaCox

originally posted by: D8Tee
a reply to: Miracula2

Modern Hitler....I don't think we'll ever see the likes of that kind of personality again

In 35 separate passages Black Earth affirms the Nazi-environmentalist connection. Professor Snyder claims Adolph Hitler's core ideology consisted of:

a) A profound commitment to ecology;
b) A hostility to free market capitalism;
c) A belief in an overpopulation crisis;
d) A disdain for modern agricultural technology;
e) A deification of Nature; and
f) An overriding phobia that industrial activity was destroying Earth's ecosystem.

In other words, Adolph Hitler was, by today's standards, a typical radical left wing environmentalist.

What?!?!

You seem to have convieniently left out the racial superiority/segregation/cleansing that actually caused all of Hitler's problem. If Hitler actually shows up as a liberator rather than a mass murderer, does the world unite against him??

All of Hitler's worst attributes are far closer to right wing white suprimists , than eco freak liberals..

Here's a thought to chew on, if it weren't for western sanctions and reparations placed upon Germany for WW1, would a Hitler ever have arisen?

I'm not sure how familiar with that era you are, but Germany as a country was literally being choked to death by western powers. Had that not occurred would the Germans have still sought hope in a young charismatic individual?

My guess is no.

a reply to: JoshuaCox

In a perfect world...
In the real world if you don't the other guy will.
Your weighing the concept like the threat of nuclear war has ended , and thank god we didn't try and take over.
The reality is that the chance of a global war increases every day.
Every nuclear power, every administration is a dice roll till we finally crap out..
After a global war would the remnants of humanity that survived think it was a good idea to allow multiple nuclear powers??
I doubt it.

Ok, understood.
There could well be many in the administration that are saying attack now before we lose our tactical advantage, sure.
We'll see how this plays out.
McArthur wanted to use Nukes in Korea, you are saying it would have been better to do it then than now.
Me, I'm awaiting alien intervention.

originally posted by: Vector99

originally posted by: JoshuaCox

originally posted by: D8Tee
a reply to: Miracula2

Modern Hitler....I don't think we'll ever see the likes of that kind of personality again

In 35 separate passages Black Earth affirms the Nazi-environmentalist connection. Professor Snyder claims Adolph Hitler's core ideology consisted of:

a) A profound commitment to ecology;
b) A hostility to free market capitalism;
c) A belief in an overpopulation crisis;
d) A disdain for modern agricultural technology;
e) A deification of Nature; and
f) An overriding phobia that industrial activity was destroying Earth's ecosystem.

In other words, Adolph Hitler was, by today's standards, a typical radical left wing environmentalist.

What?!?!

You seem to have convieniently left out the racial superiority/segregation/cleansing that actually caused all of Hitler's problem. If Hitler actually shows up as a liberator rather than a mass murderer, does the world unite against him??

All of Hitler's worst attributes are far closer to right wing white suprimists , than eco freak liberals..

Here's a thought to chew on, if it weren't for western sanctions and reparations placed upon Germany for WW1, would a Hitler ever have arisen?

I'm not sure how familiar with that era you are, but Germany as a country was literally being choked to death by western powers. Had that not occurred would the Germans have still sought hope in a young charismatic individual?

My guess is no.

Yea I don't think anyone would disagree about that, and people forget WW1 wasn't the good vs evil that ww2 was.





Really interesting is what happens if the south wins the civil war??

Can the US send most of its troops to europe if they have a hostile nation on its border??

Who would the confederacy's white suprimist self have sided with in ww2? Maybe the other racial suprimist nazis??