Executive order to cut MSM funding and big pharma...70% of their income!

a reply to: Tardacus

Sure he will, he is being paid by the drug company to do so.

I think this is good idea..not about MSM revenue, could care less about that. I think the drug companies are extremely unethical with this bullshat advertising, preying on people..scum.

Drug commercials are scary. Ninety-percent of the content consists of WARNINGS, all while the people are smiling and walking on a beach, or whatever.

a reply to: Tardacus

a doctor isn`t going to prescribe a drug for you that he thinks you don`t need no matter how much you may want it because you saw ads for it on T.V.

Happens all the time, patient figures out what symptoms to fake, asks for the drug that treats said symptoms. Really the advertisement itself will tell a person what to fake, and may even lead a person to believe they have a condition that they don't even have.

Yes, cut the funding, make it against the law to advertise pharmaceuticals and alcohol.

If this is your first thread, OP, you'll do awesomely here.

There already is precedent: tobacco can't be advertised on TV, and neither can guns. If one product can be prohibited, so can another. In this case, the product advertised is not even available for sale unless prescribed by a doctor. The doctor should be the one making that choice, not simply rubber-stamping patient requests.

I am in total agreement. Immediately outlaw prescription medication ads.

TheRedneck

Big Pharma needs a good solid kick in the nuts. I approve.

originally posted by: TexasTruth
It really worked with tobacco and alcohol didn't it???? Kinda like the strict gun laws in Chicago.

The difference with those and Prescription Drugs is that all those other things are made available for consumers to actually buy. Prescriptions Drugs aren't.

Advertising consumer products makes sense. Even when the advertising is limited like with tobacco for example. Ads on TV are gone but other ads are still available in other areas. But the point is that they are available for purchase legally to some greater of lesser degree.

But Prescription Drugs aren't a product which is available for purchase for anyone just to consume them at ones owns discretion. Not even for a Doctor. So advertising them at all doesn't make sense. As long as the Doctors are aware of them and how to get them if they require it that should be all you need. Because there isn't a legal open market for them so there is no need to advertise them.

a reply to: Lenert29

Your first post too, awesome! This is great news.

Trump isn't wasting any time getting right to it. Now this is how a President gets things done. No slogging about with him.

a reply to: JAY1980

Take a drug to make you better, and one of the side effects is death. Drugs........the oxymoron.

a reply to: Lenert29

4 billion may seem a lot but when you consider it costs around 10 billion dollars and a decade to develop a single new drug it's not really.

That aside there is no way prescription meds should be advertised on tv. The number of indications and contraindications for these new drug classes is so vast it should be a decision made by a medical professional. Even a lot of the docs are not up to date with the potential side effects.

Part of the problem is the insurance based system in the US. It's big business and as long as you have insurance they can prescribe anything - no matter the cost. Pharma takes advantage of this with targeted advertising. Couple that with unscrupulous docs and kick backs from pharma and you effectively create a system that is out of control and not in the best interest of the patient. Given that the patient is supposed to come first this is shocking.

Some of these new treatments can cost 20-30k per year- who can afford that. ATMPs a massive growth area cost even more.

People may mock the NHS over here. However it has budgets to work to and does an incredible job providing free healthcare for everyone at point of use.

If Trump could create something similar he'd be a hero - problem is there is too much profit for the wealthy and it'll never be allowed.

Bob

a reply to: Lenert29



It's been a long time coming. The world is going back to Natural Remedies one step at a time and waking up to the lies of the MSM. This is a huge blow for Big Pharma and Fake news.

I like Trump so far, but I still think he is controlled opposition. But he is welcome to prove me wrong. S&F Great post OP and thanks for the news.

If a person dies it does have side effects? for him and the family is the basic effect

Wow - attacking the free-market are we? Isn't this supposed to be against what all you libertarians care about?

Ah...the secret fascism that comes to the fore when "libertarians" get the power never ceases to amaze me.

Yet the market speaks, and if pharmaceutical executives don't get to sway their audiences, how on earth are they going to get people to consume their poisons?

Nevermind that citizens united allows big corporations to control election results..no

Pretend, pretend. This is all people like you do. Pretend that you care about liberty when what you care about is nihilism i.e.a liberty that allows everything (exploitation, suffering of others, vampirism) i.e. masculinism.

Even if you won - managed to "block the mainstream media", it wouldn't change the fact that more and more people consume non-network news like TYT, Democracy Now, The Big Picture etc.

Let me guess your response: Donald Trump also needs to end net neutrality - speed up demented websites like this, and slow down liberal ones....right? That way the world can have around 50 to 100 years left before the planet shakes us off like a case of fleas?

Insanity.

originally posted by: Astrocyte
Wow - attacking the free-market are we? Isn't this supposed to be against what all you libertarians care about?

Ah...the secret fascism that comes to the fore when "libertarians" get the power never ceases to amaze me.

Yet the market speaks, and if pharmaceutical executives don't get to sway their audiences, how on earth are they going to get people to consume their poisons?

Nevermind that citizens united allows big corporations to control election results..no

Pretend, pretend. This is all people like you do. Pretend that you care about liberty when what you care about is nihilism i.e.a liberty that allows everything (exploitation, suffering of others, vampirism) i.e. masculinism.

Even if you won - managed to "block the mainstream media", it wouldn't change the fact that more and more people consume non-network news like TYT, Democracy Now, The Big Picture etc.

Let me guess your response: Donald Trump also needs to end net neutrality - speed up demented websites like this, and slow down liberal ones....right? That way the world can have around 50 to 100 years left before the planet shakes us off like a case of fleas?

Insanity.

#1 not attacking the free market but pharmaceuticals is not a free market it is government controlled.
#2 pharma executives are not doctors so they shouldn't try to "sway" an uninformed individual to buy a product that is a controlled substance.
#3 the post was to give Trump an idea about how to hurt the corporate/government media institutions trying to thorat his presidency.
#4 yes he needs to speed up sites like this because there is a free exchange of ideas, the liberal media will destroy itself this is an idea about about how to hit them where it hurts.....The wallet!

a reply to: Lenert29

I heard a caller state this on the Alex Jones show. Wasn't you by chance, was it?

a reply to: Lenert29

Another point is why we the consumer not a MD is being offered these choices?

The drug companies must not have been informed that you're an overgrown child who needs someone to hold your hand.

I'm sure government can fix that.

originally posted by: SoulSurfer
a reply to: Lenert29



It's been a long time coming. The world is going back to Natural Remedies one step at a time and waking up to the lies of the MSM. This is a huge blow for Big Pharma and Fake news.

I like Trump so far, but I still think he is controlled opposition. But he is welcome to prove me wrong. S&F Great post OP and thanks for the news.

Hate to break it to ya but 70% of all current drugs come from nature. It is the unethical nature of both the pharmaceutical and supplement industries that is the issue. Just ain't the drug companies whose nose is getting long.

annals.org...

Trust me, the vast majority pushing natural cures and supplements have no clue into current research. Much is nothing more than the next MLM scam.

Denny

a reply to: Lenert29

Great 1st post, and one of the public atrocities that need repairing... even more so than infrastructure.

Aside from the negative consequences it puts on society, the system teaches our doctors to skip out on being doctors of HEALTH, and instead they are now limited to being only doctors of MEDICINE... less than half of doctors are focused on your health beyond their share of the finances to treat it... that is how shameful big pharma is by steering the public down a dead end to feed greed.

www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com... of-doctors-routinely-prescribe-drugs-they-know-wont-work

"Ask your doctor if its right for me" is a code that they use publicly... and when you state it to those involved in private, you are signalling to them that you want to partake in their drug game... they simply skip analysis and prescribe away, and they all get their cut along the way.

Then street dealers that don't have degrees and a public platform to sell their drugs simply sit back, let big pharma do all the legal drug dealing, and they clean up the scraps of those that are now addicted to big pharma drugs but find the legal market to be unable to fill their needs.

The only problem with cutting the achilles heal of big pharma, is that it'll expose the governments involvement in importing Afghan opiates... that both feed big pharma and the streets. Goverment now says that 90% of U.S. used heroin comes from Central and South America. Well, if the U.S. consumes 60% of total heroin production in the world, and Afghanistan is responsible for 90% of the world's heroin production... then it equates to being mathematically impossible that the U.S. does not receive Afghan heroin. See the dilemma now? To cut the throat of big pharma now exposes a giant flaw within a system of government. This very aspect is the single reason why big pharma now has such an embarrassig place in our society... they essentially are blackmailing the U.S.

If Trump put an end to their advertisement, he'd be my hero. `

originally posted by: Justso
a reply to: TexasTruth

You sound like a drug rep.

You do realize that while you sit in your doctor's office, the staff and doctors are enjoying fancy lunches etc. provided by the drug companies and you think that doesn't influence what drugs you are prescribed?

Wish I were still that innocent-and younger-and healthier.

At one time this was completely out of control and drugs reps knew more about catering and buying gifts than they did about drugs. Not active within the medical industry anymore but it is my understanding that it has toned down some. This may just be lip service but in 2008 the pharmaceutical industry did print guidelines regarding meals, gifts and other graft such as consultanting fees paid.

phrma-docs.phrma.org...

Again, these are voluntary guidelines established by the industry. Makes one wonder, exactly whom is policing the guidelines? The last local meeting I attended was at an expensive steakhouse in which a drug rep n his manager picked up the tab basically in exchange for a 3 minute presentation.

Denny

My PCP is scared to diagnose or prescribe almost anything. I've had a hard time getting prescription topical steroid creams from him for eczema and mild psoriasis. Before he'll do a damned thing I need to be sent off to a specialist, a dermatologist in this case, and if they send over a diagnosis and prescribe something he's more than happy to continue it... As long as someone else's signature is on the diagnosis. On top off all this, when I first started seeing him he was scheduling one month follow-ups after each visit even though he wasn't diagnosing or treating anything!?!?! I finally had enough with that and for now it's every 3 months that I see him. Talk about money scrounging AH-es!

While I appreciate his caution and preference for OTC or, in some cases, natural remedies it has become quite annoying. I mention this because it is the opposite side of the coin; Physicians who are for one reason or another too scared to diagnose, let alone prescribe, anything at all unless someone else's name is somehow tied to it.

Now to the docs that literally have a prescription for everything. Growing up my pediatrician had a drug for pretty much every ailment. He was a doctor , strangely being a D.O., seemed to pretty much have been taught only how to prescribe. He eventually went on to become the cheif of pediatrics at a fairly large area hospital that he was affiliated with. When my child was born, albeit at a different hospital, my wife and I choose him as our child's pediatrician. We did so mostly out of my respect and trust for him. He retired and moved out of state a few years back and we've yet to find a decent replacement. The aforementioned pediatrician tended to over diagnose and over prescribe. My child's current pediatrician tends to play it very cautiously, just like my current (soon to former) PCP.

My point is that while many consumers that have viewed these advertisements and requested medication x ,y or z from their doctors are far less likely to actually get them as they might have been in the past. It seems that the national opioid epidemic has seemingly reversed the practice of immediately prescribing almost anything as physicians now seem to be scared sh1tle$$.

While I'm certainly no fan of big pharma and the mayhem, death and destruction they have been responsible for I highly doubt that a Congress filled with turncoat traitors beholden to special interests would ever allow for this to happen. Big pharma is big money and big money buys influence and power almost each and every time. There is a reason they're sinking 4B into advertising anually and that is even with what appears to be the current cautiousness of doctors, at least in my neck of the woods, and that reason is that they likely believe that they will not only prevail but also profit immensely.

Maybe Trump could try to do away with this by issuing instructions to both the FDA and FCC. However, as much as he may see himself as the CEO of the U.S., he still can't(for the time being) issue the forceful orders of a dictator.

I entirely agree that this crap should be off of our televisions. Maybe squeezing the network/cable news budgets would force them to do real journalism. I just don't see it happening. Big pharma has too many loyal lackies in Congress. Many of them in Trump's relatively recently adopted party. The pharmaceutical industry is likely now trying harder than ever before to get the doctors back in their pockets(at least in the N.E. - I
Hardly a time goes by where I don't see one or two pharma reps at each appointment) and they sure as sh1t will not give up on their consumer marketing endeavors. Those endeavors will likely be increased further and that will likely occur without any opposition from the Trump WH.

Nice thought though.

originally posted by: Lenert29
a reply to: Illumimasontruth

Like I said they spend 4billion on ads, so I wonder what they make I couldn't find any numbers. They may try but people don't work for free.

I have mentioned it on here before and said I don't remember just what it treated or what it was called but before my grandma died, she had our neighbor who is an RN come by once or twice a month, I can't remember, to give an IM injection to her which WITH insurance, I kid you not, cost about ten thousand dollars per injection. I would never ever have believed a claim as bogus sounding as mine is has it not happened in my family but I am not making anything up. And even if it were a shot of liquid tungsten and diamonds, it would not cost so much. So it's plain to see the U.S. pays for big pharma's advertising, CEO bonuses, pocket lining, etc. For their operations world wide on top of the price of the medication. Also why you can get pills for under a dollar in Mexico or India for a pill identical to what is sold here for 50$ a pop. Next thing trump should do (tho unlike most people I get we aren't in an absolute monarchy and the President does not legislate so it's t wishful thinking) is make it illegal for companies to come up with every chemical combination under the sky, find SOMETHING it MAY treat (this one is for 'Restless legs' while this one causes blindness but will regrow up to 10% of lost eyelashes) just to be able to slap a pate t on it stopping it from being used in anything at all the company holding the patent won't make billions out of. Such a sick display of the evil of humanity allowed to fester each day in our supposed free nation.